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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
steeledl
I don't think Manu's peak was close to best all time... so we disagree there. Obviously Kawhi probably wont get as many rings as Manu because he didn't play with peak Duncan and peak Parker but if he continues to improve I think he will have a better career and a similar peak.
Well, you also think Porker had a better career than Manu, even with Gino being up there with Jordan Bird and Magic...
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Mikeanaro
Well, you also think Porker had a better career than Manu, even with Gino being up there with Jordan Bird and Magic...
Retarded much?
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
steeledl
Retarded much?
I think you are, seriously.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
Summer league is summer league. It holds about as much value as Presidential campaign promises. They're both enticing and easy to get wrapped up in the excitement. And both make for an exciting lead up to November. But by the time it's January you realize "Oh my God - were we really excited about this idiot?"
SL is all good and well, and I'm glad Kyle has played well. But he also looked really solid in Austin last year too. Unfortunately, that didn't exactly translate when he actually played real NBA games and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yes - I've been impressed with his rebounding. But above average rebounding for his position is not enough to entice me to play a guy that is also a bad shooter, terrible defender, and supremely overrated passer at this juncture.
At this point I think we need to hope that hes on the Cory Joseph schedule. Back to Austin - back to the drawing board. Go into year 3 as a fringe rotation guy and then have a breakout Year 4. Hopefully by the time hes ready for his second contract hes also ready for regular NBA minutes. Because right now hes not even close.
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
ceperez
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
But if they are good enough to retain you have first dibs and matchup rights. It is possible though that you won't be able to afford him by then like Cojo, but if you are in that situation it is hopefully because you have your $ committed to better talent. Spurs are on schedule to loose some BiG caliber talent to retirement within a couple of years anyways. You do need to have at least a couple of project young guys for when that happens.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
Summer league is summer league. It holds about as much value as Presidential campaign promises. They're both enticing and easy to get wrapped up in the excitement. And both make for an exciting lead up to November. But by the time it's January you realize "Oh my God - were we really excited about this idiot?"
SL is all good and well, and I'm glad Kyle has played well. But he also looked really solid in Austin last year too. Unfortunately, that didn't exactly translate when he actually played real NBA games and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yes - I've been impressed with his rebounding. But above average rebounding for his position is not enough to entice me to play a guy that is also a bad shooter, terrible defender, and supremely overrated passer at this juncture.
At this point I think we need to hope that hes on the Cory Joseph schedule. Back to Austin - back to the drawing board. Go into year 3 as a fringe rotation guy and then have a breakout Year 4. Hopefully by the time hes ready for his second contract hes also ready for regular NBA minutes. Because right now hes not even close.
I don't put too much stock in his NBA games as showing his potential. Unfortunately he is a player that is used to handling the ball, which he probably did in Austin, but now has to do with waiting his turn like Kawhi did. Unlike Kawhi KA doesn't have a ready made skill that can contribute instantly.
I also think SL is not a good place to judge his passing. I don't know how good he was in Austin but passing takes familiarity which there isn't in SL
Having said all that, I may agree w/you on your last paragraph especially with Simmons success.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
TimDunkem
His game isn't really like Diaw's. Why do people keep throwing around that comparison?
They're both 6'8" 6'9" guys who can pass off the dribble. Not too many of those. Most bigs can only pass in from the high post or out of the low post.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
A year later and you are still wrong
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
I dunno if this is a troll post or not (I don't give a shit if it's tbh), but I've always felt that Kyle's best position for San Antonio would be as a 2nd unit leader, just like Manu. I don't think he will ever be as good as Manu, but I do believe that he has a place on this team going forward.
Kyle Anderson will never be able to guard starting SFs or PFs. Too slow to play in the perimeter, too skinny to deal with opposite starting PFs. If he plays off the bench, it doesn't matter if the plays either forward position, because he will be guarding bench players.
He is much better with the ball on his hands, so playing him off the ball pretty much take his best strength.
Playing him "a la Manu" simply makes sense.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
TXstbobcat
Slomo needs to find a way to contribute enough as a consistent roll player before people start comparing him to current Spurs.
See I agree there, some need to slow down on Slo Mo comparing him to Manu and whoever said Pierce as well.
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
He could have a better career but not a much better career. That's downright impossible. If Kawhi does have a better career it would be because of length of career not in comparing peak years. At his best Manu can be up there with the best of all time.
Woah, huge Manu fan but slown down on near the best of all time or up there. He was an all star but nowhere near a top 25 player all time even at his peak.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
ceperez
Ah... that's the problem with a high first round draft pick, they are too young and by the time their game is good enough to be in the playoff rotation, they've spent 3-4 years developing under a rookie contract.
Surely you're not implying hes a high 1st round pick? He was number 30. Hes very fortunate he didn't slip into the second - because it very nearly happened!
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
:lol I can see the comparison in some ways... but he will never be as quick and squirmy as Manu. However, he has an quirky style and awkward shot release that, if he develops consistency, he could turn into some solid moves and shots that are hard to defend. That lean-in floater could be solid and his fadeaway looks promising. He needs to improve on passing, rebounding and defense if he wants to even begin to be a solid contributer to the team.
*bookmark this thread for when KA is sixth man and Simmons is playing in Europe.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
A year later and I think Kyle Anderson is even slower and will never be Manu's replacement.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Combine that with the fact that Anderson taking a Dirk shot is pretty much unblockable
You don't need to block it because he clanks a good portion off the front of the rim. Unless his shot gets significantly better he's going to be a really inefficient 1-on-1 player that doesn't create anything for his teammates.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
skulls138
I don't put too much stock in his NBA games as showing his potential. Unfortunately he is a player that is used to handling the ball, which he probably did in Austin, but now has to do with waiting his turn like Kawhi did. Unlike Kawhi KA doesn't have a ready made skill that can contribute instantly.
I also think SL is not a good place to judge his passing. I don't know how good he was in Austin but passing takes familiarity which there isn't in SL
Having said all that, I may agree w/you on your last paragraph especially with Simmons success.
Unfortunately the goal is to be able to play in the NBA eventually. When you spend time at that level and look clearly overmatched then yea, I think it matters. He doesn't need to dominate by any means. He just needs to look like he belongs and contribute to the team effort. We just haven't seen that except in a few isolated spurts so far. Hopefully with time those spurts become more consistent and eventually they're the rule and not the exception. It all takes time.
He needs to identify areas in his game that he can improve. But not just that, he needs to focus on parts of his game that will need to be become core competencies to exist at the NBA level. It reminds me of the Tim Duncan summer league/Greg Ostertag story (mythology). As the legend goes, Pop told Duncan to play the game favoring his left hand throughout in order help him develop that part of his game. Tim could have dominated Greg Ostertag with his right hand, but it was more important to grow with his left. Even if that story is fiction, it still exemplifies what Kyle Anderson will need to do. Go to Austin and don't focus on what will work in Austin - focus on what will work in San Antonio.
Consider also the case study of Danny Green. Cut by the Cavs. Signed by the Spurs at the start of the 2010 season and cut six days later. When he was released they told him what he needed to improve to be viable in the NBA. So Danny improved those traits and eventually got called back to the Spurs where he continued to develop those traits. The lockout happened. Danny went to Ljubljana and continued to improve on those traits. Danny Green is hardly a complete player. He has huge holes in his game. But hes making awesome money and is one of the very best at his role in the world.
Kyle needs to really talk with the Spurs and determine what path will make him most effective. What skills will be most important. And then go get as good at those things as possible.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
100%duncan
A year later and you are still wrong
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
:lol
Depends on how you look at it. He'll never be as good as Manu, but he does look to be in line to replace Manu in the lineup.
People used to say that about De Colo and then Hanga, tbh.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
exstatic
They're both 6'8" 6'9" guys who can pass off the dribble. Not too many of those. Most bigs can only pass in from the high post or out of the low post.
Two similarities does not mean that they have the same game. People here are expecting a Diaw 2.0 when they're almost completely different players.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
KA is so smooth at his age. and manu is still all over the place sometimes.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
People used to say that about De Colo and then Hanga, tbh.
Pretty big difference, seeing as neither were first-rounders and Manu wasn't on the doorstep of retirement when they were under contract.
And Hanga has always sucked.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Pretty big difference, seeing as neither were first-rounders and Manu wasn't on the doorstep of retirement when they were under contract.
And Hanga has always sucked.
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
To me, I don't see a marked improvement in his game from what he flashed in college. He knows the system better, but I don't see a refined jumper or improved dribble drive. He's comfortable in the system and confident is the skills he already possessed when coming into the league, but he'll need to continue developing to make an impact on the next level. time is on his side though. They probably won't need him for another year.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
AFBlue
To me, I don't see a marked improvement in his game from what he flashed in college. He knows the system better, but I don't see a refined jumper or improved dribble drive. He's comfortable in the system and confident is the skills he already possessed when coming into the league, but he'll need to continue developing to make an impact on the next level. time is on his side though. They probably won't need him for another year.
He's learning to score even with contact. That's the main difference.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
Most mocks had him going between 10 and 18. WTF is this 2nd round shit.
Everyone expected Phoenix would take him if he made it that far.
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Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
But scouts and fans did describe them as heir apparents to Manu and Anderson was a reach when he was picked. Most mock drafts had him going in the 2nd round.
That second statement is just flat wrong. Most mock drafts had Anderson anywhere from 15-25 up to draft night. He was one of the most skilled players in the entire draft.
