-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr. Body
I'd be more surprised if he flops out than if he turns out to be a great bench guy. I don't think he's too far from the latter, but needs to tighten his handles, work out his defense better, and fix his shot. He seems to me to be fixing the shot, that's why he's front-rimming a lot. But if freakin' Kawhi Leonard could turn into a reliable outside shooter, I don't doubt Kyle Anderson can, too. Doesn't mean he will, but he's a far cry from a Rondo or other perimeter player who is completely hopeless from range. He's not bad. He just needs to work on what Chip tells him to work on. With luck he can be semi-deadly from range. He'll be open a lot.
I agree with that. If he can improve the consistency of those 3 things I think his short and long term value spikes upwards pretty tremendously. My concerns with him have repeatedly revolved around his total inability to shoot last season, his poor defense and his often sloppy handle (that has led to many sloppy turnovers in SL). Especially if the improved shooting includes a semi-reliable 3 point shot, I think he instantly becomes a viable rotation guy. The problem is that I don't think that consistency exists just yet.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nathan89
...bobcat years.
:lol
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Ferrari Belinelli was for a while. He surpassed all expectations..well sorely miss him this season.
But at this point a chair could supplant 38 year old argentine IMO
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Darkwaters
I agree with that. If he can improve the consistency of those 3 things I think his short and long term value spikes upwards pretty tremendously. My concerns with him have repeatedly revolved around his total inability to shoot last season, his poor defense and his often sloppy handle (that has led to many sloppy turnovers in SL). Especially if the improved shooting includes a semi-reliable 3 point shot, I think he instantly becomes a viable rotation guy. The problem is that I don't think that consistency exists just yet.
He'll always be a defensive liability, but with his length this may be alleviated. He just gets killed on picks, but seems to be doing better. The handles should improve. I'm optimistic about his shot. He was front-rimming a lot in Summer League, suggesting he's on target but not quite there. He does have a different form than previously. That's Chip's work, I think.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mr. Body
He'll always be a defensive liability, but with his length this may be alleviated. He just gets killed on picks, but seems to be doing better. The handles should improve. I'm optimistic about his shot. He was front-rimming a lot in Summer League, suggesting he's on target but not quite there. He does have a different form than previously. That's Chip's work, I think.
If he'll always be a defensive liability.. why has he not been his entire time in the league? People keep saying this but he consistently posts well above average defensive numbers. He has been an above average defender in college, the dleague, and the nba. This is a case of people not understanding how he does it and simply think he couldnt possibly do it. Despite the fact he has continually.
Food for thought. His numbers last season while in the NBA would rank him as the 10th best defender in the NBA right ahead of Danny Green. Now I know you guys are gonna cry fluke etc but even if its 20% higher than he sustains he's still a well above average defender.
Hell even if he is 40% less effective on defense he'd STILL be above average
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Anderson has a very very very very very similar game to Harden. I believe he leads the SL in FTA. He is awesome at drawing fouls from whomever is guarding him. Say what you want about KA speed, but he has wicked crossover that allows him to get his man off balance, then he pump fakes and makes him jump into him. Really, go watch Harden and KA highlights and you will see what I mean.
Pretty much their defense are similar as well, but at least KA tries to stay with his man and his 7'4" wingspan allows him to shoot over almost anyone who guards him and also disrupts their dribble which is why he avg over 2 stl pg so far is SL.
I think KA will be a great bench player for the Spurs. He will definitely be playing point forward for the Spurs off the bench once Diaw and Manu hang it up.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
james evans
well explain how Andre Miller has been in the league for 15 years. And even having a 50 pt game well past his prime. Paul pierce isn't exactly barbosa. Never has been. Being quick doesn't mean "good". One of the fastest backcourts in college bball 20 years ago was khalid reeves and damon stoudamire. Tyus edney was quick as a mouse. Quickness does't translate to being geat in the nba
That's exactly who I compared KA to on his initial thread when I first saw him play last year. Pierce is just slightly more athletic than KA, but he also doesn't have a 7'3" wingspan to work with.
What make Pierce a HOF is he a fierce competitor and a HIGH BB IQ (similar to another Celtic all-time great). People bitch about Green not being a super athletic SG when he first started. But I said he HAD A HIGH BB IQ and what developed to a very solid player.
Spurs value HIGH BB IQ over athleticism. KA is perfect for the Spurs. And he will only get better. His release on his jumper has vastly improved over last year. Still needs more work but its coming along. Took Kawhi, Parker, etc. like 3 years to finally perfect their jumpers after working with Chip.
Spurs look like they got a player in Simmons as well. His BB IQ is just at Spurs par level, but his athleticism is way above Spurs normal Standards. He willl be another solid contributor the Spurs will develop.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Anderson has a very very very very very similar game to Harden. I believe he leads the SL in FTA. He is awesome at drawing fouls from whomever is guarding him. Say what you want about KA speed, but he has wicked crossover that allows him to get his man off balance, then he pump fakes and makes him jump into him. Really, go watch Harden and KA highlights and you will see what I mean.
Harden's deceptively athletic(higher vert than Kawhi for instance) while Kyle's at the bottom tier in that regard. Not a good comparison.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Diego20
You are still wrong.
Ok, look at these videos and tell me I am wrong. One thing those two have is the sick crossover, that stutter step dribble and the ability to stop on a dime and pump fake. And the video below is basically how KA has been playing all SL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmZW9hG5098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXY1_1NEemQ
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Johnny RIngo
Harden's deceptively athletic(higher vert than Kawhi for instance) while Kyle's at the bottom tier in that regard. Not a good comparison.
I agree. But their game style is very very very similar. I am not talking about their Athleticism. KA is like a notch lower than Paul Pierce in that regards. But its the BB IQ they display on offense that is similar.
Bird is IMO still the best SF of all time and he probably isn't even in the top 100 in terms of athleticism of players that played SF in NBA history. Wonder why????? As I have mentioned before, I believe Duncan and Bird have the two highest BB IQ ever to play in the NBA which is why they are so great despite not being extremely athletic.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
spursistan
:lol he is nowhere near the Manu package, probably nobody will ever be what Ginobili meant to the Spurs..At the highest of his highest ceiling, KA might scratch Diaw's..
I have to agree. I wish we had a real Manu replacement, but those type of players are rare. KA is no Manu, unfortunately.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
The only player that resembles young Ginobili is James Harden.
There... i said it.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
kaji157
The only player that resembles young Ginobili is James Harden.
There... i said it.
Manu was more athletic, quicker, and a fiercer competitor. And KA is no Manu and never will be. He is more like Pierce prototype at SF.
Harden did said in an interview when he first entered the league, he try to model his game after Manu. Probably their step back jumper is similar and their passing. But Manu's reckless abandon to attack the basket is bar none. Duncan gave him his nickname for a reason.
We will probably never see another Manu type of player is a Spurs jersey again.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElNono
I don't see him as a PG/SG in any capacity in this league,
Maybe that's why you have a hard time seeing my side of things. I don't think Anderson is best suited to be a guard. I do think depending on how the bench shakes out, he'll see minutes there. And in the future, I could see him playing next to a bigger defensive wing, which makes him a two-guard by default. But I don't see the Manu role belonging to guards exclusively. I see that role as being the bench instigator and facilitator. I can totally see Anderson filling that role.
Quote:
(shakes head again)
I don't mean that he's the smartest guy on the Spurs. Hell, he's probably in the bottom five. But he seems clearly ahead of his cohort. Why do you think he dominated the d-league and now is making noise in the summer-league? It's not his athleticism, I can tell you that. He's just smarter than the folks trying to guard him. And while some of the things he does won't work as well in the pros (that pump-fake has a ways to go to be deadly). But the way he just kinda envelops his defender like an amoeba and finds daylight on the other side will translate very well.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Manu was more athletic, quicker, and a fiercer competitor. And KA is no Manu and never will be. He is more like Pierce prototype at SF.
Harden did said in an interview when he first entered the league, he try to model his game after Manu. Probably their step back jumper is similar and their passing. But Manu's reckless abandon to attack the basket is bar none. Duncan gave him his nickname for a reason.
We will probably never see another Manu type of player is a Spurs jersey again.
:lmao Manu was never more athletic or quicker than Hardon.
But yes he was a much better playmaker, miles ahead defensively and a million times more fierce competitor.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
I can see the likeness KA has with harden offensively. Granted he's playing against SL defenders but even with the slow pace he moves at the defenders seem always caught unbalanced which leads to KA's high FT attempts. He wont be anywhere near Harden imo due to lack of athleticism, but I don't see why KA can't become a solid bench player.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hater
:lmao Manu was never more athletic or quicker than Hardon.
But yes he was a much better playmaker, miles ahead defensively and a million times more fierce competitor.
Really, how old are you. Look at this vid. This is Manu in his prime. Harden doesn't even come close to this athleticism. Yes, Since manu fractured his ankle in the '08 Olympics, he has been the same. But before then, Manu was lights out athletic. Quit judging the guy on recent years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBtN6krkKPE
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiSpurs516
I can see the likeness KA has with harden offensively. Granted he's playing against SL defenders but even with the slow pace he moves at the defenders seem always caught unbalanced which leads to KA's high FT attempts. He wont be anywhere near Harden imo due to lack of athleticism, but I don't see why KA can't become a solid bench player.
I think KA can actually can be a 14 ppg 6 rpg and 5 apg guy off the bench. WHY???? because on his High BB IQ and his 7'3" WINGSPAN. That reach allows him to get rebounds, pass around players in front of him, and shoot over players more athletic than him.
I think he can be as good as Diaw was in this prime (Diaw put up similar numbers as above). But KA is not going to be a 25+ ppg guy, because he doesn't have the athleticism to take control of games. But he does have the IQ to manage one.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
In hindsight who do we pick instead of KA? Mcdaniels, Clarkson, Tavares? I don't think KA at 30 is a bad pick.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
I said the OP is wrong..
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Diego20
I said the OP is wrong..
My bad. Look at the Manu video I posted. KA WILL NEVER reach that level.
But the one thing KA has going for him is his IQ. Duncan has the highest on the team. I rate Manu and Diaw the next highest and they are very similar. I might get some slack, but yes, I think KA is right up there with Diaw and Manu when it comes to BB IQ. That is the only thing he has comparable to Manu, which equates to the brilliant passing he is displaying.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Guys like Manu and Anderson are rare. They can see the play before the play happens and are a pass ahead of everyone else. Some of the plays that Spurs use to run with Manu are some of the plays that Anderson can handle. Especially the one where one a guard brings up ball and Manu steps out just beyond the wing to receive pass and then precisely return pass to cutting player. One of the reasons he may have had some struggles in the SL as some of the new players didn't quite get to the right spot as they should have and thus couldn't properly make the right pass/play. He seemed to get a little frustrated with this.
While he may not have the athleticism to keep up with the fast athletic players he has shown the ability to pick the pocket of players on the open court. Very similar to Kawhi in this regard. His length will allow to challenge jump shots and even block shots in the paint. And despite his lack of athleticism and his slight of frame he is an excellent rebounder.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Really, how old are you. Look at this vid. This is Manu in his prime. Harden doesn't even come close to this athleticism. Yes, Since manu fractured his ankle in the '08 Olympics, he has been the same. But before then, Manu was lights out athletic. Quit judging the guy on recent years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBtN6krkKPE
Hater is trolling you, Harden is a fat unathletic one dimesional player, of course Manu was fastest and even after the ankle fracture had great nights were he looked like prime Manu.
I dont see Harden dunking on 4 Lakers.
-
Re: A year later and I still think Kyle Anderson is Manu's replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
My bad. Look at the Manu video I posted. KA WILL NEVER reach that level.
But the one thing KA has going for him is his IQ. Duncan has the highest on the team. I rate Manu and Diaw the next highest and they are very similar. I might get some slack, but yes, I think KA is right up there with Diaw and Manu when it comes to BB IQ. That is the only thing he has comparable to Manu, which equates to the brilliant passing he is displaying.
What about Bonner? I read that he has the or one of the highest ACTUAL IQs in the entire league..(and ya I realize you are talking bbiq, but I think they are very closely tied together)
