Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

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Originally Posted by ceperez

One year ahead?

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Yes. 10/31/2016 is the deadline for 2017-2018.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes. 10/31/2016 is the deadline for 2017-2018.

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Interesting. So it's likely Spurs pick up that option. Anderson 2 more years then.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

3rd year is a qualifying offer, so he can be restricted on 3rd year. So, he can be locked in for 2 years with Spurs.

Interesting about Kyle Anderson, this is his last year if he doesn't deliver. Next year is team option. I think a lot of his detractors like this.

This chart makes it look like Jimmer and Bonner are competing for the same contract. Bonner is perfectly content to sit in street clothes, I wonder if Jimmer will feel the same.

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chart doesn't say it, but if you go to the website, you can find out that they have the partial guarantees that have already been discussed. reggie williams has none.

This is an amazing thread.

I have no idea why there's a question around Anderson. He's cheap, under team control for three more years, and is developing nicely as a prospect. I don't know that he'll ever be more than a role player/bench guy, but not everyone the Spurs sign or draft can be Kawhi. Seems like a foregone conclusion he'd be with the team through his rookie contract.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

I have no idea why there's a question around Anderson. He's cheap, under team control for three more years, and is developing nicely as a prospect. I don't know that he'll ever be more than a role player/bench guy, but not everyone the Spurs sign or draft can be Kawhi. Seems like a foregone conclusion he'd be with the team through his rookie contract.

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KA is definitely in the Spurs plans for the foreseeable future, imo. I'm not willing to say his ceiling is that low yet. He is an incredibly skilled and intelligent player with a body to grow into.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

I have no idea why there's a question around Anderson. He's cheap, under team control for three more years, and is developing nicely as a prospect. I don't know that he'll ever be more than a role player/bench guy, but not everyone the Spurs sign or draft can be Kawhi. Seems like a foregone conclusion he'd be with the team through his rookie contract.

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Spurs fans have very high expectations for 1st round draft picks. Unfortunately, for the last 11 years, it's been mostly busts. Only Splitter and Hill made contributions in the playoffs.

2014 - Kyle Anderson
2013 - LJC <----------------bust (could have drafted Gobert)
2012 - no picks
2011 - Cojo <--------------- no contribution in the playoffs except for a great dunk on Ibaka
2010 - James Anderson <---bust
2009 - no picks
2008 - George Hill
2008 - no picks
2007 - Splitter
2005 - Ian Mahinmi <--------bust
2004 - Beno Udrih <----------bust

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Spurs fans have very high expectations for 1st round draft picks. Unfortunately, for the last 11 years, it's been mostly busts. Only Splitter and Hill made contributions in the playoffs.

2014 - Kyle Anderson
2013 - LJC <----------------bust (could have drafted Gobert)
2012 - no picks
2011 - Cojo <--------------- no contribution in the playoffs except for a great dunk on Ibaka
2010 - James Anderson <---bust
2009 - no picks
2008 - George Hill
2008 - no picks
2007 - Splitter
2005 - Ian Mahinmi <--------bust
2004 - Beno Udrih <----------bust

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Beno, Hill, Cojo, and Splitter are all solid picks. That's not bad. And then there is the Kawhi trade that showcased their drafting ability as well.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Spurs fans have very high expectations for 1st round draft picks. Unfortunately, for the last 11 years, it's been mostly busts. Only Splitter and Hill made contributions in the playoffs.

2014 - Kyle Anderson
2013 - LJC <----------------bust (could have drafted Gobert)
2012 - no picks
2011 - Cojo <--------------- no contribution in the playoffs except for a great dunk on Ibaka
2010 - James Anderson <---bust
2009 - no picks
2008 - George Hill
2008 - no picks
2007 - Splitter
2005 - Ian Mahinmi <--------bust
2004 - Beno Udrih <----------bust

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Hard to call players busts that were picked at the end of the first and played out their first contract, and in most cases into a second or third. Mahinmi and Beno aren't world beaters, but they contributed a decent amount in their time with the Spurs. The only true bust on that list is James Anderson, and his career with the Spurs was derailed by injury tbqh. Jury is still out on LJC, but I'd probably give you that one too.

I think KA is probably somewhere between Hill and Splitter when all is said and done tbqh.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

Hard to call players busts that were picked at the end of the first and played out their first contract, and in most cases into a second or third. Mahinmi and Beno aren't world beaters, but they contributed a decent amount in their time with the Spurs. The only true bust on that list is James Anderson, and his career with the Spurs was derailed by injury tbqh. Jury is still out on LJC, but I'd probably give you that one too.

I think KA is probably somewhere between Hill and Splitter when all is said and done tbqh.

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Yeah. Not to mention that not only did Ian and Beno contribute some to The Spurs, they further proved serviceable to other NBA teams afterwards. Not bad resumes for late draft picks. LJC may never amount to anything, but the rest of the list is pretty solid given their draft positions.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

Hard to call players busts that were picked at the end of the first and played out their first contract, and in most cases into a second or third. Mahinmi and Beno aren't world beaters, but they contributed a decent amount in their time with the Spurs. The only true bust on that list is James Anderson, and his career with the Spurs was derailed by injury tbqh. Jury is still out on LJC, but I'd probably give you that one too.

I think KA is probably somewhere between Hill and Splitter when all is said and done tbqh.

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Spurs consider not winning the championship a failure.

So a non-bust in my classification is someone who materially contributed to a championship. That would be (1) Splitter who started and (2) Hill who got traded for Leonard.

Beno won a championship, but it was despite of his bad PG play.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Spurs consider not winning the championship a failure.

So a non-bust in my classification is someone who materially contributed to a championship. That would be (1) Splitter who started and (2) Hill who got traded for Leonard.

Beno won a championship, but it was despite of his bad PG play.

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If that's how you classify it, then so be it. Personally, I wouldn't hinge one player's success in a Spurs uni on the outcome of what would be a full team effort. But to each their own.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

If that's how you classify it, then so be it. Personally, I wouldn't hinge one player's success in a Spurs uni on the outcome of what would be a full team effort. But to each their own.

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Yeah. Beno has had a ten year NBA career picked 28th. Pretty darn good. Definitely not a bust vs position in the draft. Ian, similarly, has had a good career vs draft position. 28th pick, as well. Both still playing last year. Lost of first rounders never play at all, much less that long. Much less ones drafted that late.

How much better is Jimmer than KA?

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Originally Posted by tholdren

How much better is Jimmer than KA?

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At the Dougie? I mean Jimmer got skills tbqh.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Spurs fans have very high expectations for 1st round draft picks. Unfortunately, for the last 11 years, it's been mostly busts. Only Splitter and Hill made contributions in the playoffs.

2014 - Kyle Anderson
2013 - LJC <----------------bust (could have drafted Gobert)
2012 - no picks
2011 - Cojo <--------------- no contribution in the playoffs except for a great dunk on Ibaka
2010 - James Anderson <---bust
2009 - no picks
2008 - George Hill
2008 - no picks
2007 - Splitter
2005 - Ian Mahinmi <--------bust
2004 - Beno Udrih <----------bust

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CoJo gave the Spurs some important minutes in Game 6 of OKC. I don't know that I'm on board with Udrih and Mahinmi weren't contributors either. The argument would probably be more along the lines of they could've drafted better in those instances.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

CoJo gave the Spurs some important minutes in Game 6 of OKC. I don't know that I'm on board with Udrih and Mahinmi weren't contributors either. The argument would probably be more along the lines of they could've drafted better in those instances.

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Fair enough criteria (i.e. "who could've Spurs drafted instead").

Cojo (2010) #29.... could have drafted Jimmy Butler (#30).... absolute BUST.
Mahinmi (2005) #28 .... could have drafted David Lee (#30)
Udrih (2004) #28 ... could have drafted Anderson Verejao (#30)

Just a thought, Jimmer will be the highest 1st round draft pick at #10 in Spurs roster after Duncan and Aldridge.

Interesting... Let's see... best case scenarios for past drafts... 2013 - Trade up one spot and pick Gobert at#27 - 2012 Trade into the second round and pick Draymond Green at #35 - 2011 Pick Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons at # 29 - 2010 Trade up 2 spots and pick Bledsoe at #18 - 2009 Nothing realistic - 2008 DeAndre Jordan at #26, trade up 2 spots for Ibaka at #26 or stay with George Hill. Also keep Dragic st #45 - 2007 Splitter at #28 and Marc Gasol at #33 - 2006 Nothing realistic - 2005 David Lee or Monta Ellis at #28 - 2004 Varejao at #28 - 2003 Josh Howard at #29 or keep Barbosa - 2002 Boozer at #26 - 2001 Nailed it - 2000 Michael Redd at #41 (so close) - 1999 Trade up 5 spots to #24 for Kirilenko, plus Manu - 1998 Rashard Lewis at #24 - 1997 Keith Van Horn at #1

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Fair enough criteria (i.e. "who could've Spurs drafted instead").

Cojo (2010) #29.... could have drafted Jimmy Butler (#30).... absolute BUST.
Mahinmi (2005) #28 .... could have drafted David Lee (#30)
Udrih (2004) #28 ... could have drafted Anderson Verejao (#30)

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Just because in retrospect you could have drafted someone else better doesn't make the person you drafted a bust...did The Spurs get good value for their 28-30th picks? Yes. Therefore...they aren't busts, by just about any definition of a bust...you're making a new definition of bust I' e never heard...

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Fair enough criteria (i.e. "who could've Spurs drafted instead").

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Huh?

Holy shit ceperez shut the fuck up

36 pages on Jimmer fucking Fredette:lol. ceperez go find another hobby

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Originally Posted by dweaver99027

Interesting... Let's see... best case scenarios for past drafts... 2013 - Trade up one spot and pick Gobert at#27 - 2012 Trade into the second round and pick Draymond Green at #35 - 2011 Pick Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons at # 29 - 2010 Trade up 2 spots and pick Bledsoe at #18 - 2009 Nothing realistic - 2008 DeAndre Jordan at #26, trade up 2 spots for Ibaka at #26 or stay with George Hill. Also keep Dragic st #45 - 2007 Splitter at #28 and Marc Gasol at #33 - 2006 Nothing realistic - 2005 David Lee or Monta Ellis at #28 - 2004 Varejao at #28 - 2003 Josh Howard at #29 or keep Barbosa - 2002 Boozer at #26 - 2001 Nailed it - 2000 Michael Redd at #41 (so close) - 1999 Trade up 5 spots to #24 for Kirilenko, plus Manu - 1998 Rashard Lewis at #24 - 1997 Keith Van Horn at #1

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2013 - Trade up one spot and pick Gobert at #27 <--- absolute miss because the pick was the Nuggets who traded with Utah for a 2nd round pick. This could have been the mainstay center for the Spurs!

2012 Trade into the second round and pick Draymond Green at #35 <-- Spurs didn't have any higher picks to trade.

2011 Pick Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons at # 29 <-- Cojo a real bust by comparison

2010 Trade up 2 spots and pick Bledsoe at #18 <-- not likely with trading partner OKC. Although Quincy Poindexter and Hassan Whiteside were still on the board.

2009 Nothing realistic - (2nd Round) Isn't is strange that Spurs have Green and Mill all drafted later than Blair.

2008 DeAndre Jordan at #26, trade up 2 spots for Ibaka at #26 or stay with George Hill. <-- Batum at #25 was the main target here... fail on the front office for not trading up Note how Rockets traded pick to Portland.

2007 Splitter at #28 and Marc Gasol at #33 <--- yeah... oh well!

2006 Nothing realistic - <-- Spurs had no picks

2005 David Lee or Monta Ellis at #28 <--- was a draft and stash, but how could they miss on Ellis?

2004 Varejao at #28 <--- would have made sense for a draft and stash. Of course #42 Trevor Ariza was available!

What an absurd standard to measure the success of a drafted player.