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Didn't want to be that guy, but there's a chance Miller could get bought out soon. Seems like a decent option for the 15th spot. Not quite good enough to be a rotation player anymore, but good enough to pretend to be one for a stretch seems like a great vet wing to add to the mix. Good shooter, tough and know how to win an be a pro.
Posted about this in the offseason thread...I think he has a better chance of contributing than Jimmer tbh.
I know he was pretty non-existent last year in Cleveland, but the year before he was still really solid in Memphis and played all 82 games for them. I wouldn't mind getting him for the 15th roster spot, but apparently Dallas/OKC/Memphis are the front-running suitors.
OKC wants to save that last roster spot for the guy they convinced to take less than the rookie scale contract to reduce luxury tax burden. Those cheap owners could have blocked the Spurs from grabbing SloMo instead
The guy is a shell of his former self but given what little minutes would be available for the 15th spot, hell yeah he's better than a Never-Was in Jimmer. Not even close. Championship experience, deadly when wide open, good range, good for 5-8 minutes a game in the playoffs. Neither Miller nor Jimmer would be expected to do much on defense anyways.
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Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Wasn't getting minutes over Iman Shumpert or JR Smith in the finals, and those two played some of the worst basketball I've ever seen at the professional level that series.
Hey guys, why dont we start a bring back Finley or Brent Barry thread? They'd have just as much left in the tank tbh..
He's likely going back to Memphis.
I rather the 15th roster spot go to a young player w/ upside who the Spurs can develop further.
Dude is not thread worthy tbh.
Don't want Miller or Jimmer, tbh
isnt miller just a bad belinelli?
I don't really care because I think we're good but give me some reasons why Miller doesn't have it anymore? If I'm not mistaken what little he did, when given a chance, he shined. He probably would've been more effective than JR Smith. Tell me I'm wrong!
They have that, in Anderson and Simmons. What they need is someone proven, with size and knockdown shooting ability. Granted, he looked finished last season, but still. He checks too many boxes for them not to express significant interest, I'd imagine and they can offer the best combination of potential playing time and chance at a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
He has little chance of cracking the Grizzlies rotation (Green, Lee and Allen are guaranteed rotation spots and Carter, Barnes and maybe even Adams will get a look before he does) and no chance of cracking the Thunder's rotation (Durant, Waiters and at least one of Morrow/Singler are guaranteed rotation spots, Westbrook could play some defensive SG and the other of Morrow/Singler and Roberson will get a look before he does).
How many seasons has Mike been in the league? Wouldn't a vet min deal for him cost an arm and a leg considering the luxury tax situation?
For the 15th roster spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Could be a better bonner...
Cavs really struck out with that Haywood contract. Looked a great chip on paper. Still a TE isn't too bad and they're apparently willing to pay the tax.
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Lets be real, Mike Miller has little chance of cracking the rotation of any playoff team. If he needs and wants a significant role on a team, he'lll likely have to go play for a lottery team (something I'm sure he does not want to do based off his recent history coat tailing LeBron).Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I just can't see him turning down a deal to go back to Memphis. He played there for 7 seasons, has a good relationship w/ the organization and their fans -- plus he has a house there.
Always pictured that scrub with the Thunder, tbh.
Never a bad idea to have an OKC killer in the reserves tbh...
Y'all people don't want this guy on the team???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uMuYw0Q3w
Tbh, if the Spurs are so desperate for shooters that they would sign Jimmer Freedette, it's not hard to envision a scenario in which they would pursue Mike Miller, a player they've expressed interest in previously.
To me, the Fredette signing means two things:
1) Spurs won't add a 15th player with a guaranteed contract. You don't sign Fredette to a training camp contract if he has no chance at all of making the roster because it is already full.
2) Spurs are quite confident on Anderson/Simmons ability to contribute this season.
I'm not sure how Miller being available will change that. After his bad year with Cavs, is he really better than the other vets available like Rasual Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Dorell Wright, Ben Gordon, Jason Richardson... ?
Fuckin Gary NealQuote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
Did Miller log a lot of minutes during the playoffs last season? Considering that the Cavs were already undermanned, you have to wonder why he didn't play a lot of minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Average of 7 minutes per game compared to previous season with Memphis at 24 minutes and with heat at 13 minutes a game.
24 minutes to 7 minutes is a drastic reduction, however these were 2 different teams. So who knows if he's healthy enough to compete. BTW... good SF to have in the lineup, gutsy player.
That spot is for Jimmer
Miller is 6'8", despite being old, he is a proven knock down shooter. Spurs should sign miller up to camp to evaluate him. Last year he didn't do well with the Cavs, but in the previous year with the Griz, he averaged 24 minutes per game in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by playjimmer
Oh.... I'm assuming he gets waived though.
no use. the 15th spot will be Jimmer's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
I'd offer him the same contract and opportunity as Jimmer. Resolve it in camp.
He's not coming here tbqh. He'll get a fully guaranteed deal to play in OKC or Memphis.
Just give Eddie the spot and call it an off season.
This. Mike Miller is not at the place, yet, where he will accept a partial guarantee, and the Spurs won't give him a fully guaranteed deal with young developable players competing for that 15th spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Nobody is being "given" anything. Fredette was signing #15, and Ndoye was signing #16. I expect a few more signings, which may or may not include Jarrell Eddie, to bring the numbers up to around the allowable 20 for camp. Signings 15 - 20 will all be competing for one spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
I think Eddie needs a year of seasoning with the Toros.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
He also prove to the Spurs that he has the work ethic. Eddie gifted with a shooting touch appears to be lazy as hell on the other side of the court.
Last year there were a ton of players in camp (Jonathon Simmons wasn't one of them). Bryce Cotton, Josh Davis, Jamychal Green, John Holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Whatever happened to Josh Davis (KL clone) anyway?
Googled... looks like this is what happened to him: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hrl9a
I know that we are probably going to need more expert shooting in the playoff situation (kind of insurance on Icy/Hot Green), but Miller looks to be finished in the sense he can't stay on court on anymore with his late spate of injuries..Let's just how Simmons/KA duo fare first and then maybe look at other options available in buyout period after February..Those 6-8 minutes Belli used to fill in with the occasional crucial, lead-protecting 3 will be missed somewhere,IMO...
Better option than jimmer for sure, we need another who can play sf...
They still haven't cut Williams yet, so the team has 17 spots taken up so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Sounds like he wants a little bit more PT, so I'd imagine that eliminates the possibility of him coming here. If he played like he did in 2014 with Memphis, I'd probably take him over Simmons/Anderson and he'd actually have a spot in the rotation...but it's doubtful he returns to that level.
Miller's best chance then is to hang onto a fringe playoff team like Memphis two years ago. I guess New Orleans and Milwaukee would be good choices. Both would welcome his shooting and veteran presence.
He's past his prime, but still better than Jimmer.
^^ Of course my hope would be that the Spurs coaching staff could tap into whatever potential Jimmer has.
Choo Choo got fucking derailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
I can see him going back to Memphis....
I'd rather see Jimmer chasing 3rd string point guards around getting publicly emasculated by Pop than watch Miller drag his legs around the court like a dog with worms for a year. Pass.
No, for the 10th one, considering they don't have a proven player or player that projects as a good fit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
But, hey, there's only a championship at stake, let's chance lessening the odds by handing a rotation spot, by default, to two fringe prospects, so that the average age of the roster is slightly lower.
He has a good chance of cracking this particular one (at least for the games that matter most), since he's similar to the player he'd be replacing and considering the other options to fill the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
All things being equal, he'd probably choose the Grizzlies again, but they don't really have a potential rotation spot to offer.
It may take until the buy out period, but at some point, this spot is more than likely going to a veteran anyway. I'll take one of the better spot up shooters ever, that's not known to complain if he's not in the rotation and is a hard nosed competitor with championship experience, over the likes of Butler, Delfino, Garcia, etc.
Miller doesn't offer anything outside of shooting and it's been that way for three year, but he'll be a perfect situational player.
He'd be a great 15th man addition.
He a team guy too.
yeah he is a team guy told the cavs he wants to be play so he got out of the cavsQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
was not happy being the 15 guy on bench
If Mike Miller has to play for any extended period of time, your championship odds are probably pretty low already, tbh... We already signed the "proven, end of the bench vet shooter", his name is Matt Bonner...Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Please, I'd trust Miller with a 3pter much more than the choker Bonner. Miller is proven, clutch 3pt shooter and would be the only SF backup. For vet's minimum and keeping him away from MEM (whose weakness is 3pt shooting) - sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
You're basically comparing a turd sandwich with a giant douche. They're both done, and you don't really need more than one corpse on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Who said anything about "extended period of time"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Bonner is a PF, not a wing. They don't have a proven fourth wing and neither of the two current options can spread the floor. They'll almost certainly eventually sign a 15th player (not counting camp fodder) anyway and when they do, it's likely to be a veteran, 3-point shooting wing. There's no downside to this.
The only way I would be fine with Miller is if Pop makes it clear that he would need to be better than Simmons and Anderson to get playing time and that he will be fine if he isn't able to outplay them. Miller hasn't been good enough last season to deserve getting some kind of guaranteed minutes with a contender.
If he's not going to play, why are you bringing up championship odds? And I disagree, Bonner is a perimeter shooter. Always has been. He's been called a "stretch-4", but he's sat his ass at the corner 3 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I mean, we're only talking offense and spacing here, defensively both of these guys have been done for a while now.
The downside is strictly monetary. A vet like Miller costs $1m more than any of these kids. Then you have to double that with the lux tax hit.
They should leave the 15th roster spot open, do tryouts early in the season, and wait until mid-season to see what's out there.
Who said "he's not going to play"? I said he'd have the inside track to fourth wing minutes (at least down the stretch and in the playoffs), not that he'd be guaranteed minutes or not play.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Obviously, Bonner is a perimeter shooter, but Bonner is strictly a PF. Miller is an SF. What's difficult about this to understand?
No, we're talking fourth wing minutes. An actual rotation spot, one they have a major question mark with.
They're already going to pay the tax. Why go mostly in, but stop just short of all the way? A few million is nothing, if it helps you win a championship.
Nothing is going to be out there, on the wings, that's a fit and even if it unexpectedly is, that player will have less time to get acclimated. The time is now to complete the roster.
Miller isn't out playing anyone on this team, as it stands...for christ sakes he couldn't get on the court, with the cavs bench.
Again, Jason Richardson is a better option.
I guess what's difficult to understand is why you're so set on strict positions, when Pop is a guy that doesn't really gives a crap? He's all about roles...Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
He's played a ton of 3 guard lineups, small ball with no pf/center (however you want to classify Tim), stretch-4 with Horry/Bonner/Diaw, Tony at SG... the list goes on an on...
I mean, I believe RC when he says they're still looking for a backup to Kawhi, but I take that to mean a backup that can play both ends, not a washed up vet on a year rental. Hopefully Anderson is that guy, but if he's not, I expect them to keep looking.
There's absolutely no reason to lock up that roster spot now. I rather give Anderson whatever rotation minutes Mike Miller would get. And I'm not even that high on Anderson. Then re-evaluate mid-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
He didn't get minutes in Cleveland last season. Don't know if that's because he's finished, or the obvious that they had better players and he couldn't earn the minutes. But in the last 3 seasons before that, he shot 33-pointers at: 14-29 (.4833), 16-336 (.444), and 31-75 (.413) in the playoffs. Hell, with as little chance as Jimmer has of seeing minutes, it would be worth it to have Miller on the bench just for end of quarter, and end of game situations.
If the Spurs were down by 2-3 in a playoff game, with enough time for one more shot, I'd damn sure rather have Miller on the floor than Bonner. Either to take the shot, or even as a decoy. He's a guy who can knock them down from the parking lot, and everyone knows it. And he's been pretty solid under playoff pressure - you can't ever get enough of that.
Miller is to slow to play long stretches of defense, but he was always pretty physical, and smart with his contact. I remember a few years back suggesting that the Spurs sign Derek Fisher in his 16th season, and everyone said that he was done, and too slow to play defense. And he pretty much kicked ass on the Spurs in the playoffs. Miller is "only" 35 years old. Sounds like he wants more minutes than he could possibly get here, but I wouldn't be upset if he did decide to get on board. Assuming the FO thinks he's got enough left to want him.
Mike Miller is as done as 2009-10 Finley who asked to be waived after complaining about the lack of minutes w/ the Spurs. Had a solid career but he'll soon be neighbors w/ Shane Battier at a retirement home in Florida despite him touting himself as a rotation player.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzbB5E_IIAAuL2T.jpg:large
time to burn the shirt
Nah, it just means he's deadQuote:
Originally Posted by weeks
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Seriously, why does he leave Miller to go double Lebron like 25 feet from the basket?Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Dude hit some ballsy shot, but his defense made Belinelli's look formidable.
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Like I said, people said all that and worse about Derek Fisher, right before his 16th season - and he absolutely kicked the Spurs' ass several times. All the comments about him being too slow to ever play defense, and he killed our asses on defense.
Same thing with Grant Hill, when Phoenix signed him. He was too old and broke down, plus had a career-ending injury. Then he played 80 games and 2,400 minutes in each of the next three seasons.
You may be right about Miller - we'll see. But you sure tell the story with confidence.
It depends on the players. The two in question can only credibly play one each and even though their role is essentially the same, the difference is, Bonner plays a position they're well stocked at; Miller doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Players that can play both ends don't sign for the minimum and no guarantee of a rotation spot. Obviously that would be ideal, but they just need knockdown shooting and someone who's at least somewhat proven.
There's no reason to wait. They more than likely can't do better and like I said, they can still give Anderson/Simmons a look early on. Miller isn't good enough anymore to be handed a rotation spot and he probably isn't even physically capable of being one for the 100-105 games they hope to play. He'd be insurance.
Don't even know if he's that, tbqh. W/O a Lebron spoonfeeding him, I don't know what value he really has.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The shirt might as well say 'LBJ til I die'Quote:
Originally Posted by weeks
Steve Kerr was too slow and old in '03. But damn, he sure dusted off his shooting when it counted. I'd love to give the last shoot to a wily vet shooter.