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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...abwe/30927415/Quote:
"We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws," Oppah Muchinguri, Zimbabwe's environment minister, said in a news conference Friday. Palmer's use of a crossbow and arrow to hunt Cecil violated Zimbabwe hunting regulations, according to reports.
Zimbabwe officials are appealing to U.S. authorities for help and have begun the extradition process, Muchinguri said.
Hey Zimbabwe if you want him extradited why don't you charge him with a crime first?
Apparently we have an extradition treaty with them.
Apparently Zimbabwe is having trouble charging him with an actual crime
so he's fully justified in killing the lion and skates free (you hope)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
do you ever think before hitting reply? What would lead you to think I'd want him to skate free, because I like guns? You are so fucking stupid sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I've said numerous times he's an asshole for killing the lion. If you'd actually take the time to read people's posts instead of constantly spamming you'd know this. The two guides are fucked but if dentist said he was told it was all legal according to guides going to be really tough to charge dentist with a crime, which is why Zimbabwe hasn't charged him yet.
I think charges will be fairly simple to come up with, but I also think if the US finds some way to prosecute him, he won't be extradited.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
So if someone told you murder is legal you could get away with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
What a brilliant legal strategy!
Smh false fucking equivalenceQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lol TheStupidityAnnex
It could be anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Pick a different offense if the murder example upsets you so.
Killing protected/owned animals is called poaching. It's not hard to come up with a crime.
It's funny that name is already taken.
Not sure why you're laughing. You're the dumb libcuck who put him on ignore because he hurt your fee-fees, but still lacks the self-control to not read every single one of his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
This dentist appears to be quite wealthy, so he'll hire, or some gun-fellatin/huntin org or fund raiser will hire, some very expensive legal eagle to kill the extradition or delay it FOR YEARS. Tie it up in the courts. Now, if ZW could have Interpol put out a arrest warrant, then his travelin days would be over. He'd be stuck killin USA wildlife.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
btw, NPR has South African animal defense/anti-poaching guy on, he's been in that business for nearly 20 years. He said the big game hunting breaks down into two main sectors:"
1. the free roaming sector where the business proposal is 2 - 4 weeks riding around in the bush looking for a free roaming animal to kill. Guarantee is only about 60% success. People often don't have time or money for 2+ weeks, so ....
2. the "caged" shoot where you can pick out your victim on Internet, show up, and in few days, with 99% success rate, kill your animal. the animal is enclosed sometimes into increasingly smaller areas, and sometimes the final shoot is of a tightly penned animal.
this isn't the interview I heard, but has some numbers
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...g-game-hunting
Lmao . N!gger countries aren't real countries tbh.
Question. We're the tour guides charged?
No shit, that's why the two guides were already charged. If the dentist had no idea what he was doing was illegal because the guides misled him it's going to be really tough to charge him with a crime. Why do you think Zimbabwe hadn't charged him with a crime yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
I see. It'll be difficult to prove he did it on purpose, since he had guides and they've already been charged. He obviously regrets what happened as he apologized for it. Sucks that the lion died but I find it difficult to hold the dentist accountable if he genuinely didn't know. I mean that's why he spent $55k on the hunt.
Ignorance to the law is not an excuse. Never has been and absolving him because he paid is repugnant. Good job!
Why have the guides been charged and not the dentist?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
I read a report that the environment minister say that landowner didn't even have 1 quota for a lion this year but they did have a leopard permit. That they were trying to lure a leopard off the reserve but took the lion instead because it is easy for the client to say he shot it elsewhere. If that's true, unless this dickless coward can't tell the difference between the two, he most certainly violated the law.
Are you an expert on how the Zimbabwe legal system functions when charging non-citizen poachers who have fled the country? Or statute of limitations on charging a crime in Zimbabwe? You realize it's only been 5 days since they found out what happened? Do you have inside sources informing you that he has not been charged, or won't be?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Rofl do you really think the dentist won't be charged? Either here or there, he'll be charged somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Oh look the faggot that failed by trying to argue conservation stats with 10+ year old data decided to chime in. He has not been charged, you don't need an inside source to figure that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
OkQuote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Honestly, I'm not sure authorities have a strong case, but public outcry being what it is, I think they'll find something to get him on.
I don't think they do either which is why I think we haven't heard anything on any charges. They are probably trying real hard right now to get him on something just to satisfy the outragers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
The real question is were the guides real guides? Were they employed by the park?
For real.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Man who studied Cecil the lion for 9 years talks impact
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/40/02/15.../7/920x920.jpg
JOHANNESBURG (AP) — When Cecil the lion's carcass was finally found after he was lured out of a Zimbabwe wildlife reserve to be killed by an American hunter, it was a headless, skinless skeleton the vultures had been picking at for about a week.
Conservationists decided the most natural thing was to leave the bones where they were for hyenas to finish off, said Brent Stapelkamp, a lion researcher and part of a team that had tracked and studied Cecil for nine years.
Stapelkamp darted Cecil and put his last GPS collar on in October. He was probably the last person to get up close before Minnesota dentist Walter Palmer used a bow and a gun to kill the now-famous lion with the bushy black mane, its head and skin eventually cut off as trophies. Stapelkamp had first alerted authorities that something might be wrong after Cecil's GPS collar stopped sending a signal.
http://content-img.newsinc.com/jpg/1...g?t=1438282740
The killing of the big cat in early July has unleashed global outrage, sending Palmer into hiding back home in suburban Minneapolis, leading to the arrest of the local hunter he employed, and prompting Zimbabwe's environment minister to say the southern African country would seek Palmer's extradition to face charges.
Stapelkamp shares the anger, not just because of the demise of Cecil. Also because, he said, it's not the first time a lion has been killed illegally around Hwange National Park in northwestern Zimbabwe, a reserve known for its rich wildlife. About a dozen lions in the region were killed illegally in recent years, Stapelkamp said, and no one was caught.
"I think this was just the final straw," Stapelkamp told The Associated Press in a phone interview from the Hwange reserve. "Everyone locally just thought, no ways, we're not letting anyone get away with this anymore."
Cecil had an intriguing story, making him a celebrity in Hwange. He arrived as a kind of lion refugee, alone and wandering after being displaced from another territory. Cecil befriended another male lion, Jericho, and together they grew and watched over two prides, one with three lionesses and seven cubs and another with three lionesses.
The satellite collar on Jericho has been sending normal signals, indicating the lion is alive and moving around, Stapelkamp said.
But Cecil's killing will have an impact on the area, explained Stapelkamp, a field researcher for an Oxford University study on lions.
Jericho may not be able to hold their territory alone and could be chased away by rival lions. Unprotected, the lionesses and cubs would then be under threat and also move away or be killed. Safari operators who invested millions of dollars in the area would lose one of their biggest attractions for tourists.
"They're burning fire breaks. They're grading roads. They're pumping water," Stapelkamp said. "They're spending a lot of money in the management of lions and then someone just draws it across the railway lines having not paid a penny in its management and shoots it and runs away with its skin. It's unacceptable."
Zimbabwe's National Parks and Wildlife Authority said Saturday it has suspended the hunting of lions, leopards and elephants outside of Hwange National Park, and that bow and arrow hunts have also been suspended unless they are approved by the authority's director.
The authority also said it is investigating the killing of another lion in April that may have been illegal.
Stapelkamp, unsure of the details of Cecil's killing, described the usual tactics of hunters to draw an animal onto private land and out of the park where it is protected. The two areas are separated by a railway line. Hunters shoot a zebra or giraffe and hang it on a tree; the main bait. They then drag the intestines of that animal, "something that really smells," Stapelkamp said, up and down the park boundary behind a vehicle. Sometimes they'll even play the sounds of a dying buffalo over a loudspeaker to attract a lion.
The lion "comes across that scent trail and it leads him straight to this bait," Stapelkamp said. "It rushes in for a free meal and they're waiting ... and they kill him like that."
Even on private land, this hunt was still illegal, Stapelkamp said, because no hunting quotas for lions were issued in the region this year. Legal hunts do happen, he said, but only after authorities consult with ecologists and decide that it won't adversely affect the area.
This didn't happen with Cecil, Stapelkamp said, and he doesn't believe Palmer's story that he trusted his professional guide to ensure a legal hunt.
"He's a well-educated man, he's got a lot of resources," Stapelkamp said. "You could do your homework. Due diligence. You would know that you're hunting in a controversial area. You've got a GPS you could have in your pocket and you have a look at the map, and you say, 'listen, friend, I think we're in the wrong area.' There's no excuse."
Palmer came "with the intention of getting the biggest lion that he could and getting out. And he got caught," Stapelkamp said.
http://m.sfgate.com/news/world/artic...ks-6419166.php
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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Your brain apparently can't process much better than that of an early teenager. I don't know why anyone, myself included, tries to reason or debate you. You're a fucking moron who ignores facts and just makes shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Here, let me fucking help you, idiot:
http://www.zimparks.org/index.php/mc...heo-bronkhorst
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Mr Honest Trymore Ndlovu owner of Antoinette farm was issued with a hunting quota for 2015 which excluded lions. Antoinette Farm is located in Gwayi River Conservancy in the Hwange Rural District and is adjacent to Hwange National Park. The professional hunter is alleged to have connived with the Antoinette land owner to kill the lion. The incident came to the attention of the Authority on the 7th of July 2015 through an informer. This was followed by an investigation which clearly demonstrated that the illegal killing was deliberate. Firstly the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Secondly, the use of a bow and an arrow was meant to conceal the illegal hunt by using a means that would not alert the rangers on patrol.
Execution of the illegal hunt violated a number of provisions of the Parks and Wildlife Act.
- The professional hunter violated Section 66 of the Act which regulates the manner in which trophy hunts are conducted.
- Both the client, Dr Palmer and the professional hunter violated Section 123 of the Act which controls the use of bow and arrow for hunting.
- The client also violated the Act through financing an illegal hunt.
- The land owner violated Section 59 of the Act which controls hunting on private land in that he allowed a hunt to be conduct without quota and necessary permit.
From investigations carried out so far it shows that the whole poaching event was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure that it succeeds. The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore all engaged in poaching of the lion.
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Originally Posted by Splits
Ignores facts and makes shit up describes your debate tactics concerning trophy hunting and conservation. Unless you are just really stupid and didn't realize all of the data you were arguing for was from 2004. Which one was it?
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
It's a fucking lion. Who cares?
A shit ton of people, hence the public outcry.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
That shit ton of people needs something better to do
What the fuck do you care? Ignore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
The he reality is you just wanted to come in here and look hard because you don't give a fuck about lions.
Real tough.
The reality is I said people shouldn't care. Your attempt to flip it back on me fails, pussy.
People need better things to focus on than a li:loln
What the fuck do you care what people focus on?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
I read someplace that the guide and farmer were arrested. The guide faces as much as 15 years. As a licensed guide, it was his responsibility for the baiting part and knowledge that Cecil was from a protected area. The farmer was let go and not charged.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddjeffries
There's only 20-32k left in the world; 600-1000 are killed each year for one reason or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
I can see why people care. It'll make watching Lion King with kids awkward if they're extinct.
This is an established business in Zimbabwe. This might be a normal price due to supply and demand, and what the guide pays for licensing. Unless you compile the costs, you shouldn't jump to such conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddjeffries
Ignorance of the law may or may not be in play here. Palmer may have asked the guide about using a crossbow. Maybe the guide only said something like it will cost you more. The guide is responsible for insuring its a legal hunt, regardless of his clients knowledge of the law. This is why he guide is facing a possible 15 year jail sentence. The proper legal minimum size ammunition was not used, and that is Palmers only crime. It caused for the chase to go on for 40 hours after he shot Cecil with the bolt. We don't know yet if Palmer knew the crossbow was legal or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
Imagine, running and hiding with a crossbow bolt in your body, for 40 hrs. This was inhumane.
"if he genuinely didn't know"
poor wealthy dentist blowing $55K to kill protected lion, and he just got duped, didn't do his homework, couldn't afford a GPS.
"the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force says that Cecil the Lion was lured out of the protected game reserve area by Palmer’s hunting party:
On or about the 6th July 2015, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil.
They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park.
Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow, but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later, when they shot him with a gun.
They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University, so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found."
Read more at http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/29/cecil...aCl8Rij9HYp.99
So Mr Wealthy Dentist knew he had killed a protected lion and tried to cover up his crime, instead of reporting it to the authorities as an "accident".
So would that be like a traffic ticket here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
What do the various states do to people if they have a deer permit, but take an elk instead?
His life is already damaged or ruined by media exposure. Isn't that enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
They have a strong case. Palmer used illegal ammunition for the hunt. How serious of a crime this is over here needs to be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Making a case to show any other wrongdoings would be hard under US law, but this isn't US law over there.
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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
They have to search for a law the USA has that matches his crime there. I don't see what that will be. But that is a requirement of our treaty with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
Any ideas?
Maybe they are scouring our books to see if an state has minimum ammunition size to hunt game here.
Dentist is probably worth several $Ms, he can hire top lawyers to delay extraction, or any punishment, for years. He can also pay PR firms to spread favorable propaganda and whitewashing.
Yes, but statistics will show that countries that allow legal hunting only issue so many permits, and don't have so many poachers. They actually profit in revenue while maintaining healthy populations. They have motive to keep healthy populations and like any rancher, maintains them for profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
if he committed a crime then no, not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Teddy Roosevelt's kill list
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067587...osevelt-safari
There's no butQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Statistics show that the lion population is getting very low.
like complain about feminist video game developers?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
No, he should stand trial there for poaching charges. That will be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You are looking a global stats. Please break that down to lions in Zimbabwe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Did you know that in some regions, there was a "cat flu" epidemic wiping out 75 of the population? This was not caused by hunting.
http://lionalert.org/alert/lions_in/zimbabwe
Please notice how wide of range various studies have. We really don't have slid facts, and his is a activist site probably cherry picking what to post.
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
In 2012, a group of scientists used satellite data to estimate the size of African savannas where lions could live without being bothered by humans. They found that between 1960 and 2000, the available habitat shrunk by 2.2 million square kilometers, to about 9.7 million square km (about a 20% reduction), while the size of the lion population shrunk by 75%.
I wonder how widespread that "cat flu" was that wiped out 75% of the prides affected?
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Ironically, while big game hunting is controversial, some conservationists have argued in favor of hunting preserves near national parks. The idea is to create some stream of income for locals that creates an incentive to protect lion populations. Other ways to make a living may just result in more human-lion conflict.
Looks like Zimbabwe is doing just this, in allowing the hunts and laws they have.
Please cite what Zimbabwe law we charge him under.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
yep, raise lions, leopards, rhinos, elephants, etc like cows, pigs, chickens, just to kill them for profit (and not even to eat).
Actually, the locals eat their meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Aren't you liberals suppose to be OK with other cultures? What about the hunting culture?
Your bigotry against hunters is on par with other people's bigotry of gays, Christians, etc.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
You don't think there is a poaching law in Zimbabwe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You're an idiot.
I see it as his responsibility stopping at paying a licensed hunting guide. The guide was licensed to keep things proper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
[QUOTE=Wild Cobra;8151116]You are looking a global stats. Please break that down to lions in Zimbabwe.
right, I'm looking at global stats. 32k left in the entire world is extremely low
Of course you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
i repeat, zimbabwe is a meme country. no one is getting extradited.
And if Zimbabwe's lion population is growing because of legal hunting and caretaking to support the business, should it be stopped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Awe shucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by m>s
You take all the fun out of it.
I like the idea of letting Palmer fear of extradition.
yeah sorry libcucks this white man won't be getting extradited to coonland and being publicly lynched. i know that's what you guys want for all whites worldwide but it isn't happening.
Trophy hunting isn't the problem as your article points out. My question to those who are against legal trophy hunting is what is your solution to save the species if you eliminate the trophy tags? How will you recoup all of the lost private lands that were opened up because of hunting allowing the species more room to roam and increase their numbers? What will be the incentive for land owners to stop illegal poaching now that they won't be able to charge for legal hunts? How will the 200+ million dollars lost from legal trophy hunting be replaced in those regions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Shooting wild game out of season, and out defined areas is a crime in USA, aka poaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The dickless dentist already lied about shooting a bear 40 miles from hunting area, and got convicted.
I figure his beautiful teeth will rot or get kicked out in a ZW prison.
Glad to see you finally saw the lightQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
No seriously, it's a fucking cat halfway across the world. Who cares?
Well, if the cat flu epidemic killed off 75% of the lions before 2000, it looks like they are making a comeback!Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
About the same as running a stop sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Did you by chance read the court document and see what his penalty was?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Now you see how I feel about abortion. The taking on innocent life.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
You see it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
If someone told you possessing drugs is OK and you get arrested, can you just blame the guy who said it was OK?
You do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
They are indeed making a comeback, and you can thank legal trophy hunting for that. Stupid fucks like boutons will of course keep pushing the its the hunters fault narrative when the biggest threat to the lion is the overpopulation of humans, the loss of land due to the farming needed to feed the overpopulation, and the killings of lions by said farmers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Terrible analogy, again, but not as bad as when you tried to use murder though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's all the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
You need to explain how it wouldn't work that way.
It all comes down to using ignorance of the law as a defense -- I dare you to try it next time you get a ticket.
False analogy. Possessing drugs is illegal, lion hunting isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Poaching is illegal, and that's what the guides have been charged with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddjeffries
lol MENSA meeting here.
US News and World Report is a pretty reliable source. Unless you trump it with a better source, I'll take it over youQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Has he pasted a screed from the AR15 forum yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
We aren't discussing the guides, we are discussing the dentist. The dentist paid a service to the guides to take him on a legal hunt. Why hasn't the dentist been charged with poaching?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
How about I trump it with your own source :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Bauer and his Oxford colleague Claudio Sillero said as bad as trophy hunting can be — estimates of lions killed each year range from 600 to more than 1,000 — habitat loss and conflicts between lions and locals over livestock and agriculture are bigger problems.
eta blakes reliable source http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/07/31/more-than-just-cecil-big-troubles-for-king-of-the-jungle?page=2
RIGHT. The guards were charged. Not him. He didn't do the poaching. Not a difficult concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
But if the licensed and paid expert tells me what is OK and what isn't, aren't I suppose to trust him?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
If I go to a lawyer, a paid professional in the field, and he tells me I can do something that turns out to be illegal, who does the liability go to?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
Here is what the professional guide was suppose to honor:
http://www.africanhunteronline.com/a...in--africa.pdf
SAFARI OPERATORS ASSOCIATION OF ZIMBABWE
CODE OF CONDUCT
This Code of Conduct will be complied with by all members of the Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe.
OBJECTIVES OF THE CODE
To encourage the growth and development of the consumptive and non-consumptive wildlife tourism industry, in a manner consistent with these objectives.
To actively promote the preservation and sustainable utilization of the environment.
To maintain, protect and enhance the reputation, standing and good name of Zimbabwe’s consumptive and non-consumptive wildlife tourism industries and the Association and its members.
To ensure that all members conduct their business in a manner which will reflect the highest possible standards in business.
To encourage initiative and enterprise in the belief that properly regulated competitive trading will best serve the aspirations of the consumptive and non-consumptive wildlife tourism industries.
GENERAL
This code is designed to regulate the activities of members between themselves, clients and suppliers.
This code recognises and embodies the relevant parts of all acts of Parliament and Government regulations which relate to the consumptive and non-consumptive wildlife tourism industries as well as the codes and regulations of recognised organisations or associations such as the Zimbabwe Council for Tourism and its associated bodies.
The code recognises the necessity for enforcement of standards and practices and embodies measures and procedures by which members may uphold the code under the authority of the Executive Committee.
Members shall familiarise themselves and their staff with the provisions of this Code of Conduct.
Members shall observe not only the letter but also the spirit of the code of conduct and its ethics and ideals thus giving true significance to Aims and Objectives of the Association.
THE CODE
Members shall deal honestly and fairly with each other, with clients and suppliers of services.
Members shall treat all details of their negotiations confidentially and shall not divulge them to any third party except as required by law.
Members shall not knowingly make false or misleading statement relating to the following :-
their ability to successfully and professionally meet potential clients’ needs;
competitors;
rates, costs, accommodation, transportation, capacities or any other factor.
Members shall honour all contracts, both with clients and suppliers in spirit as well as intent and shall make every effort to honour all commitments, both written and oral.
Members shall settle all financial obligations in accordance with normal commercial practice unless otherwise specifically agreed with suppliers.
Members shall confirm all services in written form.
Members shall not attempt to convert business to themselves by directly or indirectly bringing the name of another member to disrepute.
Members shall pay the annual subscription within the specified period.
THE DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE
The Executive Committee shall from time to time appoint a Disciplinary Committee. The Disciplinary Committee shall investigate alleged breaches of the Constitution and/or Rules of the Association and all complaints made against members. The Disciplinary Committee shall comprise of a Chairman and three members appointed by the Executive Committee.
The Disciplinary Committee shall appoint a secretary (“the Secretary”) who shall keep, or cause to be kept, such records as are hereby required or otherwise deemed appropriate.
The quorum necessary for the transaction of business by the Disciplinary Committee may be varied by the Executive Committee shall be not less than three.
The following records shall be kept by the secretary:
details of all alleged breaches of the Constitution and/or Rules of the
Association and all complaints made against Members;
(ii) details of all disciplinary action taken against Members; and
minutes of all resolutions and proceedings of the Disciplinary Committee.
PROCEDURE FOR DISCIPLINARY MATTERS
No alleged breach of the Code of complaint made against a member shall be investigated by the disciplinary Committee unless:
the complaint is made in writing by the complainant and delivered to the Association office: or
the complaint is initiated by a member of the Executive Committee and is sent in writing to the Chairman of the Executive Committee.
The Chairman may refuse in his absolute discretion to refer a complaint to the Disciplinary Committee or may require further details of the complaint to be furnished before making such a referral. In the event that the Chairman refuses to refer a complaint to the Disciplinary Committee, the complainant, if a member, may appeal his refusal to the Executive Committee in writing and the decision of the Executive Committee in this regard shall be final.
Upon receipt of a complaint, the Chairman shall (if he thinks fit) refer to the Executive Committee. The Executive Committee shall at its next meeting, consider the complaint and carry out or cause an investigation as it shall deem appropriate. If after investigation the Committee shall consider it necessary or desirable, it shall convene a formal meeting of the Disciplinary Committee to rule upon the matter.
The member against whom a complaint or allegation lies shall be given not less than fourteen days notice of the date, place and time of the disciplinary hearing at which the matter will be ruled upon, together with full details of the complaint or allegation made against him.
The Disciplinary Committee shall be entitled at any time to require a member against whom a complaint lies to provide a written response to such complaint or to produce documentation, records or information connected with such complaint. If a member unreasonably refuses to comply with a request by the Disciplinary Committee to produce documentation, records or information, his refusal shall be dealt with as a separate disciplinary matter punishable by expulsion or other appropriate measures as determined by the Disciplinary Committee, from membership of the Association.
If the Disciplinary Committee concludes that contravention of the rules of the Association or an allegation has been established, it shall have the power to impose all or any combination of the following sanctions:
issue a caution to the Member;
reprimand the Member;
suspend the Member from membership and all benefits of membership of the Association;
expel the Member from membership and withdraw all benefits of membership of the Association;
make whatever recommendation it deems fit to the regulatory authorities regarding the licensing of the Member or any other matter
The Member concerned shall in all cases pay the costs and expenses of the investigation and hearing (if applicable) or such portion thereof as shall be directed by the Disciplinary Committee where a complaint or allegation is established as well founded.
The Disciplinary Committee shall notify the Member concerned and the Executive Committee of its decision not later than 14 days after conclusion of investigation and hearing.
APPEALS TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
6.1 A member who has been found to have contravened the Constitution and Rules of the Association or against whom an allegation has been established and upon whom any of the sanctions referred to in Clause 5.5 have been imposed shall be entitled to appeal against such imposition to the Executive Committee.
6.2 A Member wishing to exercise his right of appeal shall within 14 days of receiving notification of the determination of the Disciplinary Committee send notice in writing to the Chairman of his intention to appeal and shall at the same time indicate whether or not he intends to be legally represented at the appeal hearing. After the said period has lapsed and in the event of the Member not exercising his right of appeal the decision of the Disciplinary Committee shall be deemed final and binding.
An appeal to the Executive Committee shall be conducted as a full rehearing of the complaint or allegation against the member. New evidence or other matters not raised at the disciplinary hearing may be introduced provided such evidence or matters are relevant to the issues to be determined by the Executive Committee.
The Executive Committee shall be entitled to call for a written or oral report of the investigation and hearing of the Disciplinary Committee and shall have power to call any member of the Disciplinary Committee before it for the purpose of explaining, expanding or clarifying any matters contained in such report.
The Executive Committee shall be at liberty to publish its decisions and the sanctions imposed in disciplinary matters in the Association’s newsletter or by means of a circular to members of the Association or any other way that is deemed appropriate.
The Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe request all members to read, acknowledge and abide by the above Code of Conduct and to sign their acceptance of such Code of Conduct in the appropriate space below.
If you know it's illegal and you still do it, you are liable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The hunter is stating he had no idea it was a protected lion. If he knew it was a protected lion, he would have been arrested as well.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yeah "as bad as trophy hunting can be" implies it's a problem. The article never said it's "the" problem. That was all you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex
you have reading comp issues, tbh.
Where is your outrage concerning the biggest threat to lions; farming, land, locals killing them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
ITT thread a bunch of whining and not single solution to legal trophy hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex