Zimbabwe seeks Lion Poachers Extradition

From what I understand, the guides are throwing him under the bus. They said he wanted to use the bow and arrow for stealth and was asking for other poaching opportunities.

It's up in the air obviously what they are going to do with him. The wishful thinking going on by the pro-poacher crowd is amusing.

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Originally Posted by ddjeffries

If you know it's illegal and you still do it, you are liable.

The hunter is stating he had no idea it was a protected lion. If he knew it was a protected lion, he would have been arrested as well.

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That's my point.

The guides moral and legal obligations are clearly spelled out, and it is the guide that violated the law.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

From what I understand, the guides are throwing him under the bus. They said he wanted to use the bow and arrow for stealth and was asking for other poaching opportunities.

It's up in the air obviously what they are going to do with him. The wishful thinking going on by the pro-poacher crowd is amusing.

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Did they say that they told him it was illegal?

Why did they allow it anyway? Surely he paid part of the money up front. They cold have walked away from him and kept the down payment.

I haven't noticed anyone advocating "poaching."

I see you still refuse to acknowledge that words have specific meanings.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Where is your outrage concerning the biggest threat to lions; farming, land, locals killing them?

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They are all issues that they need to address for lion survival. Nobody is saying they're not. That's all you building a straw man.

Ignorance to the law is not an excuse.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

That's my point.

The guides moral and legal obligations are clearly spelled out, and it is the guide that violated the law.

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So did the dentist, dumbass.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Ignorance to the law is not an excuse.

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unless he doesn't know that ignorance of the law is no excuse

Unless his guides gave him a fake hunting license or something then he is every bit as culpable as those guides. If he didn't obtain a license to hunt the lion then it is what it is. Poaching.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

From what I understand, the guides are throwing him under the bus. They said he wanted to use the bow and arrow for stealth and was asking for other poaching opportunities.

It's up in the air obviously what they are going to do with him. The wishful thinking going on by the pro-poacher crowd is amusing.

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Find just one pro-poaching post, just one.

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Originally Posted by Blake

They are all issues that they need to address for lion survival. Nobody is saying they're not. That's all you building a straw man.

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They are bigger issues than poaching, where has your outrage been?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

ITT thread a bunch of whining and not single solution to legal trophy hunting.

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My question to those who are against legal trophy hunting is what is your solution to save the species if you eliminate the trophy tags? How will you recoup all of the lost private lands that were opened up because of hunting allowing the species more room to roam and increase their numbers? What will be the incentive for land owners to stop illegal poaching now that they won't be able to charge for legal hunts? How will the 200+ million dollars lost from legal trophy hunting be replaced in those regions?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

They are bigger issues than poaching, where has your outrage been?

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Why should I be outraged

Interesting link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0Q41VB20150730

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Originally Posted by Blake

Why should I be outraged

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You seemed so concerned with the lion population decreasing because of hunters I thought for sure the biggest threats the lions faces would garner more of your concern, even outrage.

Which is a bigger threat to the lion...hunters or habitat loss?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Interesting link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0Q41VB20150730

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Originally Posted by People of Zimbabwe

what lion?

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:lol

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

My question to those who are against legal trophy hunting is what is your solution to save the species if you eliminate the trophy tags? How will you recoup all of the lost private lands that were opened up because of hunting allowing the species more room to roam and increase their numbers? What will be the incentive for land owners to stop illegal poaching now that they won't be able to charge for legal hunts? How will the 200+ million dollars lost from legal trophy hunting be replaced in those regions?

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whoa whoa whoa too many facts there pal. We all know that the liberals prefer feelings over logic.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

My question to those who are against legal trophy hunting is what is your solution to save the species if you eliminate the trophy tags? How will you recoup all of the lost private lands that were opened up because of hunting allowing the species more room to roam and increase their numbers? What will be the incentive for land owners to stop illegal poaching now that they won't be able to charge for legal hunts? How will the 200+ million dollars lost from legal trophy hunting be replaced in those regions?

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"Easy solution, we'll just fix the region with our feels."

- Liberals

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

We aren't discussing the guides, we are discussing the dentist. The dentist paid a service to the guides to take him on a legal hunt. Why hasn't the dentist been charged with poaching?

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most likely because no American has ever been extradited to Zimbabwe and our government is no so excited about their human rights record, etc.

As I said before, it is quote possible for Your hero to be prosecuted in the US for violations of international agreements so Zimbabwe charges would be superfluous. I think that is the way everyone will want this to work out.

Is there any part of this you do not understand?

I'm here to help you.

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Originally Posted by ddjeffries

RIGHT. The guards were charged. Not him. He didn't do the poaching. Not a difficult concept.

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He did the actual poaching, but his citizenship and current location complicate matters.

Not a difficult concept.

Well, it might be too complicated for you. Let me know. I'm here to help you too.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

If I go to a lawyer, a paid professional in the field, and he tells me I can do something that turns out to be illegal, who does the liability go to?

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You.

Sign you name on a fraudulent tax return prepared by someone else, you're liable.

This shit is so easy.

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

My question to those who are against legal trophy hunting is what is your solution to save the species if you eliminate the trophy tags? How will you recoup all of the lost private lands that were opened up because of hunting allowing the species more room to roam and increase their numbers? What will be the incentive for land owners to stop illegal poaching now that they won't be able to charge for legal hunts? How will the 200+ million dollars lost from legal trophy hunting be replaced in those regions?

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I am against illegal hunts like the one your hero took part in.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

most likely because no American has ever been extradited to Zimbabwe and our government is no so excited about their human rights record, etc.

As I said before, it is quote possible for Your hero to be prosecuted in the US for violations of international agreements so Zimbabwe charges would be superfluous. I think that is the way everyone will want this to work out.

Is there any part of this you do not understand?

I'm here to help you.

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My hero :lol the guy is an asshole
find one post of me supporting the dentist, just one. I've stated I didn't think he'd be charged because of the circumstances, he paid guides for a legal hunt which he thought he was taking part in. Whether or not he knew his participation was illegal at the time the lion was killed is going to be very hard for officials to prove.

Chump it is obvious you are anti-poaching as am I.

What are your thoughts on legal big game tags and what is their impact on the environment/economy?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

My hero :lol the guy is an asshole
find one post of me supporting the dentist, just one. I've stated I didn't think he'd be charged because of the circumstances, he paid guides for a legal hunt which he thought he was taking part in. Whether or not he knew his participation was illegal at the time the lion was killed is going to be very hard for officials to prove.

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Ignorance of the law isn't a defense.

How many times do you have to be told that?

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Originally Posted by TheSanityAnnex

Chump it is obvious you are anti-poaching as am I.

What are your thoughts on legal big game tags and what is their impact on the environment/economy?

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the only way I am for it in the case of something like a lion is if it is past its breeding years and even then the dude should try something else to compensate for his penis.