ESPN dumps Curt Schilling over tweet comparing Muslim extremists to Nazis

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Seems to me like he compared Muslim extremists to Nazis.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Seems to me like he compared Muslim extremists to Nazis.

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Seems to me that's one of the stupidest things a media figure could tweet. You are one dandy apologist tho.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Seems to me like he compared Muslim extremists to Nazis.

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Seems to me Islamophobia and twitter is a bad combination

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Seems to me that's one of the stupidest things a media figure could tweet. You are one dandy apologist tho.

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Yeah, not very smart.

And he was suspended, not dumped. He took full responsibility, which is good. Some will probably demand more of an apology.

This tweet by our state dept. was more subtle

https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS/s...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

When will these clowns think before they tweet. You get paid by people who will easily punish you for such stupidity

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

This tweet by our state dept. was more subtle

https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS/s...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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:lol

That's not the State Dept.'s Twitter account.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

:lol

That's not the State Dept.'s Twitter account.

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Embarrassingly enough, it is one of them.

At least it was more precise than Schilling's tweet.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Embarrassingly enough, it is one of them.

At least it was more precise than Schilling's tweet.

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Weird. Guess that's the Millennial-outreach handle...

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Weird. Guess that's the Millennial-outreach handle...

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I thought it was about low water crossings.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Embarrassingly enough, it is one of them.

At least it was more precise than Schilling's tweet.

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Why is it embarrassing?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Why is it embarrassing?

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A lot of the content is pretty lame, and people could think it's about low water crossings.

What's the issue apart from the inaccuracy? He's comparing a failed personality cult that started a world war and murdered millions with a desire to impose a illogically based social order on those that didn't want it, to an ill-defined religious extremism that purports to want to do the same...?

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Originally Posted by Nero5

What's the issue apart from the inaccuracy? He's comparing a failed personality cult that started a world war and murdered millions with a desire to impose a illogically based social order on those that didn't want it, to an ill-defined religious extremism that purports to want to do the same...?

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It's stupid is the issue.

OMG with what I see of the GOP ATM, stupid is the new black.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's stupid is the issue.

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I hate right-wing politics. I can't stand Schilling.

But at its foundation, the statement that the mentality of those fanatically imposing nazi fascism and those fanatically imposing Islamic fascism, both by the barrel of a gun or the blade of a sword, and under the banner of world conquest and cultural annihilation is accurate.

Whether the numbers associated with the claim are true, that seems stupid.

But the biggest difference twixt the the two is mostly how politically correct we've become where someone can't say that a fanatic group murdering and destroying on a conquest for power, control, and domination of thought, mind, body, soul, isn't similar to past fanatic groups who murdered and destroyed in conquest for power, control, and domination of thought, mind, body, and soul.

Fanaticism in any incarnation and end result is almost always an evil. Be it puritanical or extremist. It all just mongers fears and death. To say otherwise is foolish.

And Fuck Schilling for being the ignorant mouthpiece here.

Seriously Huffpo? Comparing ISIS attacks on the West and totally omitting the atrocities they committed on their own soil?

>under the banner of world conquest

thats a lie, Germany never wanted world conquest Islam on the other hand does

Why don't celebrities get "free speech clauses" in their contracts?

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Originally Posted by m>s

>under the banner of world conquest

thats a lie, Germany never wanted world conquest Islam on the other hand does

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Sure, sure... I bet they would have simply stopped at Europe had they won.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

At least it was more precise than Schilling's tweet.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You are one dandy apologist tho.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Seems to me Islamophobia and twitter is a bad combination

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Blakeold semen-shielding per par. Now if Schilling had compared Christians to Nazis and been suspended for it, you'd be outraged.

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

Sure, sure... I bet they would have simply stopped at Europe had they won.

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Do you really not know your history? Germany had to way of invading the USA and mocked the idea when we suggested it to get people behind the war.

you have no understanding about national socialist ideology, what drove them to war, what they wanted, etc. you took your shit out of a Jew written textbook in some shit USA school.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Blakeold semen-shielding per par.

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lolwut...who do you see firing semen shots?

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Now if Schilling had compared Christians to Nazis and been suspended for it, you'd be outraged.

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Lol no, but there'd be plenty of cuckservative outrage from the evangelicals tho

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

But the biggest difference twixt the the two is mostly how politically correct we've become where someone can't say that a fanatic group murdering and destroying on a conquest for power, control, and domination of thought, mind, body, soul, isn't similar to past fanatic groups who murdered and destroyed in conquest for power, control, and domination of thought, mind, body, and soul.

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I'm not sure he couldn't say that. If he or anyone tweeted "Muslim Extremists are like the Nazis" the backlash would probably be minimal because the message is clear and targeted.

What his message implies, like a lot of anti-Muslim rhetoric that the right brushes off as "non-PC," is that Islam leads to terrorism and Nazi-like behavior. What should we take from the message that a dangerous amount of Muslims are extremists? That we should be suspicious of Muslims? That we should eradicate the world of Muslims to prevent the extremists from taking over? Would we have been justified in 1940 to treat German Americans like shit because of the Nazis?

Yes there are instances where the PC police overstep. I do think we need to openly warn, particularly in the Middle East, that extremists groups will hijack religion (and in their case, Islam specifically) for evil. I just don't think it's that difficult to stay on message that Muslim Extremists <> Muslims.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm not sure he couldn't say that. If he or anyone tweeted "Muslim Extremists are like the Nazis" the backlash would probably be minimal because the message is clear and targeted.

What his message implies, like a lot of anti-Muslim rhetoric that the right brushes off as "non-PC," is that Islam leads to terrorism and Nazi-like behavior. What should we take from the message that a dangerous amount of Muslims are extremists? That we should be suspicious of Muslims? That we should eradicate the world of Muslims to prevent the extremists from taking over? Would we have been justified in 1940 to treat German Americans like shit because of the Nazis?

Yes there are instances where the PC police overstep. I do think we need to openly warn, particularly in the Middle East, that extremists groups will hijack religion (and in their case, Islam specifically) for evil. I just don't think it's that difficult to stay on message that Muslim Extremists <> Muslims.

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Yeah, i think that's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm not sure he couldn't say that. If he or anyone tweeted "Muslim Extremists are like the Nazis" the backlash would probably be minimal because the message is clear and targeted.

What his message implies, like a lot of anti-Muslim rhetoric that the right brushes off as "non-PC," is that Islam leads to terrorism and Nazi-like behavior. What should we take from the message that a dangerous amount of Muslims are extremists? That we should be suspicious of Muslims? That we should eradicate the world of Muslims to prevent the extremists from taking over? Would we have been justified in 1940 to treat German Americans like shit because of the Nazis?

Yes there are instances where the PC police overstep. I do think we need to openly warn, particularly in the Middle East, that extremists groups will hijack religion (and in their case, Islam specifically) for evil. I just don't think it's that difficult to stay on message that Muslim Extremists <> Muslims.

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I didn't read it as an inference of Islam leading to extremism and terrorism. I read it as a direct comparison to those who defend the majority of Muslims who are peaceful by saying only a small percentage is violent through a historical example of how a few extremists can turn the world upside down. Again, I don't know what the numbers are, so that's why the comparison is foolish.

But I disagree about your premise. People actively look to be offended. If it's not some college student Twitter hero, it's a too-sensitive Muslim, or a too-sensitive offspring of a holocaust survivor or victim who thinks it somehow makes light of their family trauma.

One day we'll get to the point where everyone is just different and their actions misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

I read it as a direct comparison to those who defend the majority of Muslims who are peaceful by saying only a small percentage is violent through a historical example of how a few extremists can turn the world upside down.

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What's wrong with defending those Muslims? What do you suggest we do about peaceful Muslims?

There's nothing wrong.

Again, you're proving my exact point.

We now look for ways to miss the larger point and twist the detail.

The comparison wasn't that Islam is a terrorist gateway, but that the defense of the peaceful majority can't shield the terrorist few from critique, or even retribution.

I didn't read anything nefarious. I read a comparison that stated it only takes a few zealots with weapons to turn the world upside down.

There's nothing inaccurate about that. Nothing wrong with that comparison.

It has nothing to do with the innocents. Just as all Germans weren't Nazis, not all Muslims are terrorists, in fact very few were/are, but this doesn't lessen the impact of the few.

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

There's nothing wrong.

It has nothing to do with the innocents. Just as all Germans weren't Nazis, not all Muslims are terrorists, in fact very few were/are, but this doesn't lessen the impact of the few.

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Well when he says "only 7% of Germans were Nazis, how'd that go?", how does he specifically mean it went?

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Originally Posted by Blake

Well when he says "only 7% of Germans were Nazis, how'd that go?", what exactly is he saying?

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Right. The possible connotations make this meme extra stupid for a media figure to post.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Well when he says "only 7% of Germans were Nazis, how'd that go?", how does he specifically mean it went?

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I read it literally, that if his numbers are even close to true, it doesn't take many, so we can't just ignore the few because they aren't the majority.

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

I read it literally, that if his numbers are even close to true, it doesn't take many, so we can't just ignore the few because they aren't the majority.

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It's not a very clear analogy, because even if there weren't that many official Nazi's, pretty much the whole country mobilized to their cause. If you are saying the whole of Islam is going to work for the extremist cause, then they are extremists too.

It also makes the meme pretty inflammatory and justifies the suspension.

I don't think his tweet was that inflammatory. He probably should be careful what he tweets since he works for a sports network, but all in all, not as bad as people think.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I don't think his tweet was that inflammatory. He probably should be careful what he tweets since he works for a sports network, but all in all, not as bad as people think.

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It's pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's pretty bad.

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Its not like he was calling out regular Muslims. Just the extremists which is a very large number in general even if its less than 10% of the population.

I'm not sure Schilling treads deep enough to get the nuance.

Contrary to board Nazi propagandist, I do know the regional history enough to get what you're saying. Again, foolish thing to say. Fool doing foolish things.

But the foundation of comparison is apt for the extremists. This shouldn't be lost in the overall idiocy.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Its not like he was calling out regular Muslims. Just the extremists which is a very large number in general even if its less than 10% of the population.

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Actually, he kind of was, since so many non-Nazis went along with their plans. That is an easy possible interpretation which makes it a stupid meme to post.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Actually, he kind of was, since so many non-Nazis went along with their plans.

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Sounds similar, so then why the inconsistency in the way you all feel about the two groups?

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Originally Posted by m>s

Sounds similar, so then why the inconsistency in the way you all feel about the two groups?

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If moderate Muslims start helping the extremists, they are no longer moderates.

Pretty simple. Is there something about it you don't understand?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

This tweet by our state dept. was more subtle

https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS/s...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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They too should be suspended from ESPN

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Actually, he kind of was, since so many non-Nazis went along with their plans. That is an easy possible interpretation which makes it a stupid meme to post.

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People aren't born Muslim extremists.

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

They too should be suspended from ESPN

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:lol

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

People aren't born Muslim extremists.

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People aren't born Nazis or Nazi sympathizers either. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

But the foundation of comparison is apt for the extremists. This shouldn't be lost in the overall idiocy.

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There's a slippery slope implication in that meme. Schilling realized it too late.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

People aren't born Muslim extremists.

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Islam is a gateway drug into extremism amirite?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If moderate Muslims start helping the extremists, they are no longer moderates.

Pretty simple. Is there something about it you don't understand?

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But that's what happens. They become radical overtime and join the other radicals. ISIS is basically a country of radicals formed from previous "moderates".

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Originally Posted by Blake

Islam is a gateway drug into extremism amirite?

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They become extremists by reading John Hagee's twitter feed.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

They become extremists by reading John Hagee's twitter feed.

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right, evangelical extremists.

Hagee is a helluva drug

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

But that's what happens. They become radical overtime and join the other radicals. ISIS is basically a country of radicals formed from previous "moderates".

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There are plenty of reasons one becomes radicalized. Religion is only one.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If moderate Muslims start helping the extremists, they are no longer moderates.

Pretty simple. Is there something about it you don't understand?

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They do this all the time

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

There are plenty of reasons one becomes radicalized. Religion is only one.

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Yes, but this conversation is about religious radicals.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Yes, but this conversation is about religious radicals.

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What religion was Nazi?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What religion was Nazi?

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No reason to parrot this time.

This conversation is about radical muslims as well as Nazism which was a nationalistic movement.

anyone siding with schilling is an idiot. This tweet was just pure ignorance and not based on facts. Islamic extremism is a Western creation... do your research kiddos

Geez Chump. You also do this when you run out of arguments. Its hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

No reason to parrot this time.

This conversation is about radical muslims as well as Nazism which was a nationalistic movement.

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So it's not exclusively about religious extremists.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Geez Chump. You also do this when you run out of arguments. Its hilarious.

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No, I just don't think you are getting the connotation that made suspending Schilling a no-brainer.

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

anyone siding with schilling is an idiot. This tweet was just pure ignorance and not based on facts. Islamic extremism is a Western creation... do your research kiddos

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The Wahabbism movement started in the 1800s, but the West did help them get power in Saudi Arabia. But extremism was way before that.

Now, I'll leave the other side to you.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What religion was Nazi?

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Nazism wasn't based on religion.

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So it's not exclusively about religious extremists.

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You're right. Thank you for clearing it up.

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No, I just don't think you are getting the connotation that made suspending Schilling a no-brainer.

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I know what he meant, but it wasn't that outrageous in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Nazism wasn't based on religion.

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Thanks for making my point.

Wahhabists and Americans have been allies for a minute now.

Islamophobia has been a tactic of US media ever since 9/11... and it tricks tools like Schilling

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

Wahhabists and Americans have been allies for a minute now.

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Once the oil runs out, the Saudis will have to fend for themselves which they can since they buy more artillery from the US than anyone else. Oh wait, they need to beg for Pakistani fighters to actually use those weapons.

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

Islamophobia has been a tactic of US media ever since 9/11... and it tricks tools like Schilling

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Horrible tactic by the religious right. It was working in the 2000s till the Iraq invasion went South. However, they're trying to use it to justify further by fighting new mosques from being built, bullying Iran, trying to spread their religion in the Middle East and other countries. Dirty game they're playing. It will amount to nothing in the end just like the Iraq invasion.

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Thanks for making my point.

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So, then we agree that a f'ed up ideology isn't a condemnation of an entire religion.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

So, then we agree that a f'ed up ideology isn't a condemnation of an entire religion.

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I've never actually seen you say that. Usually you are working hard to imply the opposite.

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Its not like he was calling out regular Muslims. Just the extremists which is a very large number in general even if its less than 10% of the population.

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Why use a percentage if he's not implicating regular Muslims as part of the problem? If the point is that a few extremists can change the world, why not use the actual numbers. The Muslim population of today and the German population of 1940 aren't anywhere close to each other, so using percentages of completely different bases isn't a great way of communicating size.

I don't think it was just bad math or reasoning or semantics, the picture is clearly rationale for being suspicious of Muslims. It's entirely possible that Schilling didn't see it that way and impulsively tweeted it, but I don't see how it's possible to see the image as anything but anti-Muslim.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

No reason to parrot this time.

This conversation is about radical muslims as well as Nazism which was a nationalistic movement.

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the comparison is about radical muslims to nazis, but there's also the comparison of the rest of Germany to the rest of the muslims.

if it went "that way" for Germany in what way exactly is it going to go for muslims?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

So, then we agree that a f'ed up ideology isn't a condemnation of an entire religion.

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Lollllll you're one of the bigger Islamophobes here

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Originally Posted by Blake

Lollllll you're one of the bigger Islamophobes here

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“Islamophobia. A word created by fascists, & used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

“Islamophobia. A word created by fascists, & used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

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Is there a better word to describe the way Muslims make you shit your pants?

Yea, don't see any of the Jemele sperm shielders saying Curt shouldn't have been fired.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Seems to me that's one of the stupidest things a media figure could tweet. You are one dandy apologist tho.

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Snowflake, by your own definition. :lol

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Originally Posted by DMC

Snowflake, by your own definition. :lol

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:lmao

Pavlov

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Originally Posted by DMC

Snowflake, by your own definition. :lol

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Explain. I said it was stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sCBYwCusWM