Obama one vote away from securing Iran deal

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The next "yes" vote will be the deciding vote for President Barack Obama’s Iran deal.

Two key Senate Democrats – Chris Coons of Delaware and Bob Casey of Pennsylvania – declared their support for the nuclear agreement on Tuesday, putting the Obama administration just one Senate vote away from blocking congressional attempts to kill the accord.

Coons, a key bellwether for Democrats on Iran, announced his position in a lengthy speech at the University of Delaware on Tuesday – saying that the potential consequences for U.S. allies, as well as the unlikelihood that negotiators could go back to secure a different outcome with Tehran, led him to reluctantly back the agreement.

“Thus, in a very hard choice between either rejecting the agreement and taking on the uncertainty and risks of compelling a return to sanctions and negotiations or a path that accepts the positives of this deal and attempts to manage and minimize the short and long term consequences of its flaws, I choose the latter,” Coons said.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...upports-213223

Does this mean we will get gas under $2.00 tbh

Trust me... he has already got this deal wrapped up. :hat

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Does this mean we will get gas under $2.00 tbh

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Might get that by the end of the month regardless.

while Repugs, Fox, Christian Taliban fuck around with fabricated outrage, LIES, propaganda, scams, stings, campaign-only topics (immigration) etc, Obama is actually GOVERNING and trying to move the country forward, solve problems(AGW).

if only he been this bad assed [email protected] from Jan 09...

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Actually I don't remember Chambain tbh.

Who is Chambain, Darrin?

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yeah, well, Repugs IGNORED history and repeated it by failing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Actually I don't remember Chambain tbh.

Who is Chambain, Darrin?

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My first thought was the same thing... Jesus H. Christ, these are the people we're dealing with here. Chambain? Give me a fucking break...

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Actually I don't remember Chambain tbh.

Who is Chambain, Darrin?

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You caught a spelling error. Congrats. :tu

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You caught a spelling error. Congrats. :tu

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You posted a shitty meme and will refuse to actually discuss the topic. Congrats. :tu

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You posted a shitty meme and will refuse to actually discuss the topic. Congrats. :tu

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The Iran deal is a fantastic deal for Iran.

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The Iran deal is a fantastic deal for Iran.

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Is that your idea of discussion?


Stick to shitty memes. :tu

Or try discussing what you would do now if you hate this agreement so much.

What is your alternative to Chambain?

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The Iran deal is a fantastic deal for Iran.

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Israel wants to drag us into a war with Iran. The fact that their PM hates this deal makes me think it's especially effective.

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Is that your idea of discussion?


Stick to shitty memes. :tu

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As opposed to all the other great discussion in this thread, including yours. :tu

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As opposed to all the other great discussion in this thread, including yours. :tu

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Or try discussing what you would do now if you hate this agreement so much.

What is your alternative to Chambain?

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The Iran deal is a fantastic deal for Iran.

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What specifically do you oppose about the deal?

deja vu all over again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw

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deja vu all over again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw

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How is this like the Hitler appeasement, Darrin?

How is it like the North Korea framework, Darrin?

Discuss this.

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What specifically do you oppose about the deal?

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What specifically do you like about the deal?

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What specifically do you like about the deal?

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Rubber/glue "discussion."

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Rubber/glue "discussion."

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Where's your discussion?

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Where's your discussion?

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I've been asking you to explain your position so we can discuss it.

Do you need those questions reposted?

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What specifically do you like about the deal?

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I didn't post a meme or give my opinion of the deal. You did. Maybe I don't know much about it and need to be educated. Explain your position. I might agree.

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deja vu all over again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw

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yep

Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."

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How do you think this is like the NK framework?

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They did some shit 35 years ago LOL. Move on.

You already paid them back by funding Saddam in their 10-year War.

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I didn't post a meme or give my opinion of the deal. You did. Maybe I don't know much about it and need to be educated. Explain your position. I might agree.

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There's not much of a historical basis for being optimistic about "deals" with rogue nations.

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Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."

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So, North Korea didn't meet its commitments (neither did we tbh).

Did it fully join the community of nations?

Really, Darrin -- you haven't said anything about the actual terms of this deal.

Let's discuss those. Can you do it without Googling and pasting someone else's words?

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There's not much of a historical basis for being optimistic about "deals" with rogue nations.

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Germany seems to be doing okay these days.

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They did some shit 35 years ago LOL. Move on.

You already paid them back by funding Saddam in their 10-year War.

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They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.

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Germany seems to be doing okay these days.

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No shit. What it take for that to happen? (twice, mind you)

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No shit. What it take for that to happen? (twice, mind you)

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You know that for a war to end, a deal has to be reached. We didn't exterminate all of Germany.

But if you're advocating war with Iran, I'd be interested in your rationale for that as well.

Lol at AIPAC spending millions trying to buy Congressmen and Senators in a losing effort. Although the sobering truth is that AIPAC's spend is chump change compared to the 3 billion that the US gives Israel in military aid every year. The American taxpayer as usual is the loser. Especially Conservatives who rail against ACA and Planned Parenthood at home while supporting colossal donations to a Israel which allows it to spend on public healthcare and publicly funded abortions.

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So, North Korea didn't meet its commitments (neither did we tbh).

Did it fully join the community of nations?

Really, Darrin -- you haven't said anything about the actual terms of this deal.

Let's discuss those. Can you do it without Googling and pasting someone else's words?

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I already said I don't trust deals with rogue nations. <-- My words, chumpy

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They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.

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I don't know what that even means. Wouldn't the USA and it's endless destabilizing of governments qualify as 'Financier of terrorism'

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I already said I don't trust deals with rogue nations. <-- My words, chumpy

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Those aren't terms of the deal, Darrin.

Is this really what qualifies as discussion to you?

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Those aren't terms of the deal, Darrin.

Is this really what qualifies as discussion to you?

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Do you have anything to say that is NOT about me? I understand that this is what you do.

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I don't know what that even means. Wouldn't the USA and it's endless destabilizing of governments qualify as 'Financier of terrorism'

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Well, Iran did help reactionary forces overthrow the democratically elected Eisenhower administration in 1953. So we should never trust them again.

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Do you have anything to say that is NOT about me? I understand that this is what you do.

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Aside from just not liking agreements with rogue nations, you haven't given me anything to discuss.

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How do you think this is like the NK framework?

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It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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:lol

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It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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So the similarities of the deals are only in how presidents described them after they were made.

That's brilliant.

It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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I know it's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

I will ask you again, Darrin -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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I know it's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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I will ask you , SnakeBoy -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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So the similarities of the deals are only in how presidents described them after they were made.

That's brilliant.

It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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You seem to be very knowledgeable about this. What do you like about the deal? Be specific.

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You seem to be very knowledgeable about this. What do you like about the deal? Be specific.

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I like that it deals with both Plutonium and Uranium production and moves spent fuel out of Iran.

I like that it was a multilateral agreement including China and Russia. I'm not sure such a coalition and its diplomatic and economic pressure could be put together again.

I like that sanctions won't all be rescinded at once.

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I will ask you , SnakeBoy -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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I didn't state any reservations. What part of what I wrote do you disagree with...Be specific.

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I didn't state any reservations.

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So you have no reservations about this deal?

Great. What are you trying to argue then?

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What part of what I wrote do you disagree with...Be specific.

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I can't agree or disagree with quotes given with no context -- as long as the quote is accurate, they are just someones words.

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Germany seems to be doing okay these days.

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Germany was never a "rogue nation"

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I like that it deals with both Plutonium and Uranium production and moves spent fuel out of Iran.

I like that it was a multilateral agreement including China and Russia. I'm not sure such a coalition and its diplomatic and economic pressure could be put together again.

I like that sanctions won't all be rescinded at once.

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Sounds peachy. I guess history will be the judge.

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I can't agree or disagree with quotes given with no context -- as long as the quote is accurate, they are just someones words.

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The context is the Iran deal. What part of what I wrote are you taking issue with? Do you think what I wrote applies to the Iran deal or not? I answered two of your questions why won't you just give an answer to my question. Or better yet just say what you think about the Iran deal.

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Sounds peachy. I guess history will be the judge.

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I will ask you again, Darrin -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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The context is the Iran deal. What part of what I wrote are you taking issue with? Do you think what I wrote applies to the Iran deal or not? I answered two of your questions why won't you just give an answer to my question. Or better yet just say what you think about the Iran deal.

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Actually you didn't answer my question at all and I already said what I think about the Iran deal.

I will ask you again, since you have no stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

I can only assume nothing if you can't even state a reservation and just parrot quotes with no context.

With Obama running things the USA is screwed......Don't hate Obama .....But Obama's plan is to ruin America.......wake up sheeps cause this world is getting darker and darker......Its a good time to get right with the Lord....Forgive your sins ...Repent cause Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't know the day,time,or hour......Jesus is coming back....Tell everybody the good NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You want to be saved than get closer with GOD cause he loves us all.....Praise the lord Jesus Christ....all Power and Glory to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!May god bless everyone.......wake up brothers and sisters...before its too late

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With Obama running things the USA is screwed......Don't hate Obama .....But Obama's plan is to ruin America.......wake up sheeps cause this world is getting darker and darker......Its a good time to get right with the Lord....Forgive your sins ...Repent cause Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't know the day,time,or hour......Jesus is coming back....Tell everybody the good NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You want to be saved than get closer with GOD cause he loves us all.....Praise the lord Jesus Christ....all Power and Glory to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!May god bless everyone.......wake up brothers and sisters...before its too late

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AMEN!!!

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Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."

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Pyongyang acted after declaring it would leave six-party talks on completing nuclear disarmament in the country and reactivate a plant that makes bomb-grade plutonium in response to a UN rebuke over its launching of a long-range rocket.
"(North Korea) has today informed IAEA inspectors in the Yongbyon facility that it is immediately ceasing all cooperation with the IAEA," Marc Vidricaire, a UN spokesman, said in a statement.

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N Korea failed because they pulled out of the agreement unilaterally.

It's typical neocon stupidity to conflate the two.

Well, he's got the votes. Working on a filibuster total for the Senate debate now.

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N Korea failed because they pulled out of the agreement unilaterally.

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Neither the DPRK nor the US lived up to the terms of their framework.

See, it's a *deal.* There are examples of other *deals* that have not worked out. Therefore, all *deals* are bad. Because *deal* = bad. Simple math. Details are unnecessary.

Did you guys lose your shit over the SALT talks too?

Did you call for Reagan's impeachment when he gave missiles to the radical Muslim Iranians?

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Neither the DPRK nor the US lived up to the terms of their framework.

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How do you figure that? The UN security council condemned a launch. That is what caused the renege.

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How do you figure that? The UN security council condemned a launch. That is what caused the renege.

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I'm talking about the Clinton era framework/bribery agreement. They missed a bunch of deadlines for disclosure and inspections and we skipped a bunch of grain shipments and it all just went away.

Color me surprised. I thought he wouldn't be able to round up the votes.

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They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.

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Yeah, because the United States never funds terrorism to further our own interests

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I'm talking about the Clinton era framework/bribery agreement. They missed a bunch of deadlines for disclosure and inspections and we skipped a bunch of grain shipments and it all just went away.

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I would have to look into that. I do think the Clinton administration is the most overrated 20th century presidency.

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Color me surprised. I thought he wouldn't be able to round up the votes.

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Color me un-surprised.

Coming from a guy who thinks climate scientists are still divided on an issue in which they are united, including the entire world population outside of 20% of the knuckle-dragging right-wing crazy party of the USA. Considering July 2015 was the hottest month on record in human history and the obvious affects we are seeing from global warming such as the unprecedented drought and raging wild fires in Cali. But yeah, your "opinion" is so valued on this topic. We just need some more research! Can't actually do anything about the massive warming of the planet until "MOAR RESEARCH" is done.

Idiot.

3 more Senate Democrats back Iran deal

Three more Democratic senators announced their endorsement of the Iran nuclear pact today, creating a 41-vote firewall of support, but it remains unclear if Democrats will use their numbers to filibuster and block a vote on a GOP-backed resolution of disapproval.

Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Gary Peters of Michigan announced they will back the deal. President Obama has all but locked up support to sustain a veto of the disapproval resolution in both the House and Senate, but the Democratic senators now backing the president could deny opponents the 60-vote threshold needed to advance the measure to the White House.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-iran-obama-support-20150908-story.html

Obama just kicked all y'all stinky redneck asses, AGAIN!

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3 more Senate Democrats back Iran deal

Three more Democratic senators announced their endorsement of the Iran nuclear pact today, creating a 41-vote firewall of support, but it remains unclear if Democrats will use their numbers to filibuster and block a vote on a GOP-backed resolution of disapproval.

Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Gary Peters of Michigan announced they will back the deal. President Obama has all but locked up support to sustain a veto of the disapproval resolution in both the House and Senate, but the Democratic senators now backing the president could deny opponents the 60-vote threshold needed to advance the measure to the White House.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-iran-obama-support-20150908-story.html

Obama just kicked all y'all stinky redneck asses, AGAIN!

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Why is splits ranting about AGW in this thread :lol

Republican Lawrence Wilkerson on Dick Cheney: 'This is a man who's lost his mind'

Chris Hayes included a Fox News clip where Chris Wallace reminded a willful history revising Dick Cheney that during the Bush/Cheney administration Iran went from 0 to 5,000 centrifuges. Wallace suggested that Cheney left a mess for the Obama administration.

Republican Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Secretary of State General Colin Powell, was introduced. (Colin Powell endorsed the Iran Nuclear agreement this weekend.) Chris Hayes asked Wilkerson about Cheney's apocalyptic warning about the Iran deal. Lawrence Wilkerson did not mince words.

"I have been searching for a single word that would describe Dick Cheney," Wilkerson said. "And I am afraid the only one that I can think of is 'insanity'. It's a deliberate, it's a methodical, it's a lucid, often lucid insanity. But it is insanity nonetheless. He can't recognize reality. He can't recognize the truth. The good thing Chris, for this country is that Independents, Republicans, and Democrats wish he would just go away now. He has almost no influence. You saw the influence he has virtually by numbers. Those at the AEI today that listened to his speech, that's about it."

Dick Cheney's speech at AEI was interrupted by a Code Pink protester.

Lawrence Wilkerson pointed out that Dick Cheney was once a brilliant strategist. He said Cheney changed after nine eleven. "All of a sudden he's turned into this person who cannot recognize reality," Wilkerson said. "I can't explain it. Maybe its physiological. Maybe it's biological. Maybe 9/11 did something to him. ... He is simply devoid of reason and he doesn't recognize reality anymore."

Wilkerson went on to make the point that Dick Cheney was using the same fear-mongering technique used by Joseph McCarty.

At the end Wilkerson makes the Defense Industrial Complex / Dick Cheney association.

"Cheney is a millionaire now," Wilkerson said. "So maybe I am assuming his insanity and maybe I am wrong. Maybe he sees this as a way, as a route to success and it turned out to be profitable. His personal finances now are quite well established. He is a multi-millionaire.

This is a man who in 1998, Chris, said most forcefully as CEO of Halliburton, that sanctions were not working, that they wouldn't work unless they were comprehensive and international. And he wanted to do deals with Iran. And so he was bashing sanctions up one wall and down the other. This is a man who's lost his mind."

Any more question about Dick Cheney or his motives?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...d?detail=email

Senate just killed the vote on the veto. Barry kickin ass

and dickhead Cheney, GFY

Thanks Barry.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-wi...-leader-332718

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Thanks Barry.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-wi...-leader-332718

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:lol Darrin believes some Muslim fucked up extremist's 25 year prediction.

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Thanks Barry.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-wi...-leader-332718

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Did you think this was a deal between the U.S. and the Ayatollah?

Barry and Kerry are Middle East masters!

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Thanks Barry.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-wi...-leader-332718

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Notice he is not talking about eliminating the Jewish people from Palestine, just the racist, apartheid, Zionist regime. The two state solution is dead due to the Zionist illegal confiscation of lands across the '48 borders. The only solution is a single democratic state for all Jews, Muslims and Christians. And in that scenario, the Zionist regime will not be elected to office.

Let's hope he is right.

Oh, and let's not forget his preferred outcome (regime change) is the exact same position the Zionists take about the Iranian government.

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Notice he is not talking about eliminating the Jewish people from Palestine, just the racist, apartheid, Zionist regime. The two state solution is dead due to the Zionist illegal confiscation of lands across the '48 borders. The only solution is a single democratic state for all Jews, Muslims and Christians. And in that scenario, the Zionist regime will not be elected to office.

Let's hope he is right.

Oh, and let's not forget his preferred outcome (regime change) is the exact same position the Zionists take about the Iranian government.

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Thanks Barry.

http://europe.newsweek.com/israel-wi...-leader-332718

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Are you Israeli, Darrin?

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Are you Israeli, Darrin?

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So, as long as their only nuclear ambition is to wipe out Israel, it's all good? Smh

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So, as long as their only nuclear ambition is to wipe out Israel, it's all good? Smh

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So you really think their only nuclear ambition is to wipe out Israel?

Yes or no, Darrin.

Speak up.

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Notice he is not talking about eliminating the Jewish people from Palestine, just the racist, apartheid, Zionist regime. The two state solution is dead due to the Zionist illegal confiscation of lands across the '48 borders. The only solution is a single democratic state for all Jews, Muslims and Christians. And in that scenario, the Zionist regime will not be elected to office.

Let's hope he is right.

Oh, and let's not forget his preferred outcome (regime change) is the exact same position the Zionists take about the Iranian government.

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You're either incredibly naive or purposefully being obtuse. You think he really believes in a mixed population state? No. Why? Because no one believes it's possible with the history and current sentiments. Which means we have to take his comments to mean he wants to eliminate zionism all together. At this point in time that means expelling or killing a majority of israeli jews from the region.

A shame Arafat was such a pussy or this could've been on the way to healing 15 years ago. And fuck Netanyahu for furthering the Israeli right wing agenda. But to claim Iran is noble in this scenario is hilariously biased. But I didn't expect much more from you.

Any answer, Darrin?

I'm just asking what you think about Iran.

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Any answer, Darrin?

I'm just asking what you think about Iran.

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I would never want any rogue nation to have a nuke.

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That wasn't the question, Darrin.

Do you really think Iran's only nuclear ambition is to wipe out Israel?

Yes or no, Darrin.

Speak up.

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You're either incredibly naive or purposefully being obtuse. You think he really believes in a mixed population state? No. Why? Because no one believes it's possible with the history and current sentiments. Which means we have to take his comments to mean he wants to eliminate zionism all together. At this point in time that means expelling or killing a majority of israeli jews from the region.

A shame Arafat was such a pussy or this could've been on the way to healing 15 years ago. And fuck Netanyahu for furthering the Israeli right wing agenda. But to claim Iran is noble in this scenario is hilariously biased. But I didn't expect much more from you.

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You're either incredibly stupid or susceptible to media smears. Eliminating Zionism is a noble goal and has nothing to do with expelling or killing Jews. There are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews, and they are on the right side of history since they recognize that Zionism has caused apartheid in the holy land.

By the way, when has Iran invaded or bombed another country? Did you know there are thousands of Jews living and openly practicing their religion in synagogues in Iran? And where is the call for murder of Jews? Zionism has long been recognized as racism. The words are directed at the Zionist government, not the people living there. But keep believing the propaganda you're being fed.

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That wasn't the question, Darrin.

Do you really think Iran's only nuclear ambition is to wipe out Israel?

Yes or no, Darrin.

Speak up.

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Yes. But I think they want even more power in the region.

Clear enough answer for you?

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Yes. But I think they want even more power in the region.

Clear enough answer for you?

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Actually, you just contradicted yourself, so not really.

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Actually, you just contradicted yourself, so not really.

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In terms of priorities, they'd like to nuke the Jews first.

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In terms of priorities, they'd like to nuke the Jews first.

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Why is there a Jewish MP in Iran's parliament?

Shouldn't they kill him first if that is their goal?

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In terms of priorities, they'd like to nuke the Jews first.

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Yes, because they've proven to be nihilist radicals with no sense of self-preservation. Completely irrational actors. Look at all the countries they are invading and bombing!

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Why is there a Jewish MP in Iran's parliament?

Shouldn't they kill him first if that is their goal?

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They're waiting to develop the bomb so they can nuke him in parliament. Dey crazy.

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You're either incredibly stupid or susceptible to media smears. Eliminating Zionism is a noble goal and has nothing to do with expelling or killing Jews. There are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews, and they are on the right side of history since they recognize that Zionism has caused apartheid in the holy land.

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The conditions of the Palestinians is a by-product of many things, one of them being jewish immigration. You clearly choose to believe one side of history.

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By the way, when has Iran invaded or bombed another country?

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How many people has Iran killed in the past 10 years? I'm more concerned with that than how many countries they have invaded.

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Did you know there are thousands of Jews living and openly practicing their religion in synagogues in Iran?

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lol oh have you been to Iran? I never said the Iranian regime was anti-semitic. Jews live in Iran but fear retribution daily if they step out of line.

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And where is the call for murder of Jews?

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It's between the lines. You obviously can't read there.

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Zionism has long been recognized as racism.

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You also seem to struggle with synonyms

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The words are directed at the Zionist government, not the people living there.

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Again, you're incredibly naive. While a good portion of Israelis don't agree with right-wing nutjobs like Bibi, they also enjoy living in their homes which happen to be in Israel. That is something the Iranian regime has vocalized being opposed to if it means muslims don't have right of return.

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But keep believing the propaganda you're being fed.

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Not propaganda. I know how to interpret spoken words.

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Yes, because they've proven to be nihilist radicals with no sense of self-preservation. Completely irrational actors. Look at all the countries they are invading and bombing!

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Give me a list of the countries Isael is invading and bombing.

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Give me a list of the countries Isael is invading and bombing.

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Do military occupations count with for this, Darrin?

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Do military occupations count with for this, Darrin?

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What country are they occupying?

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Give me a list of the countries Isael is invading and bombing.

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Right. Because they didn't indiscriminately murder 495 children last year in Gaza with thousands more injured. Or do the same 2 years prior. Or bomb Lebanon. Or Syria. Or Iraq.

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What country are they occupying?

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Part of Syria and the "disputed" Palestinian lands. They also occupied parts of Egypt and Lebanon in fairly recent history.

Don't you know these things, Darrin?