Obama one vote away from securing Iran deal

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

deja vu all over again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcbU5jAavw

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yep

Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

yep

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How do you think this is like the NK framework?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

The Iran deal is a fantastic deal for Iran.

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They did some shit 35 years ago LOL. Move on.

You already paid them back by funding Saddam in their 10-year War.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I didn't post a meme or give my opinion of the deal. You did. Maybe I don't know much about it and need to be educated. Explain your position. I might agree.

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There's not much of a historical basis for being optimistic about "deals" with rogue nations.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."

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So, North Korea didn't meet its commitments (neither did we tbh).

Did it fully join the community of nations?

Really, Darrin -- you haven't said anything about the actual terms of this deal.

Let's discuss those. Can you do it without Googling and pasting someone else's words?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

There's not much of a historical basis for being optimistic about "deals" with rogue nations.

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Germany seems to be doing okay these days.

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Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

They did some shit 35 years ago LOL. Move on.

You already paid them back by funding Saddam in their 10-year War.

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They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Germany seems to be doing okay these days.

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No shit. What it take for that to happen? (twice, mind you)

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

No shit. What it take for that to happen? (twice, mind you)

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You know that for a war to end, a deal has to be reached. We didn't exterminate all of Germany.

But if you're advocating war with Iran, I'd be interested in your rationale for that as well.

Lol at AIPAC spending millions trying to buy Congressmen and Senators in a losing effort. Although the sobering truth is that AIPAC's spend is chump change compared to the 3 billion that the US gives Israel in military aid every year. The American taxpayer as usual is the loser. Especially Conservatives who rail against ACA and Planned Parenthood at home while supporting colossal donations to a Israel which allows it to spend on public healthcare and publicly funded abortions.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So, North Korea didn't meet its commitments (neither did we tbh).

Did it fully join the community of nations?

Really, Darrin -- you haven't said anything about the actual terms of this deal.

Let's discuss those. Can you do it without Googling and pasting someone else's words?

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I already said I don't trust deals with rogue nations. <-- My words, chumpy

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.

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I don't know what that even means. Wouldn't the USA and it's endless destabilizing of governments qualify as 'Financier of terrorism'

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I already said I don't trust deals with rogue nations. <-- My words, chumpy

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Those aren't terms of the deal, Darrin.

Is this really what qualifies as discussion to you?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Those aren't terms of the deal, Darrin.

Is this really what qualifies as discussion to you?

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Do you have anything to say that is NOT about me? I understand that this is what you do.

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Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

I don't know what that even means. Wouldn't the USA and it's endless destabilizing of governments qualify as 'Financier of terrorism'

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Well, Iran did help reactionary forces overthrow the democratically elected Eisenhower administration in 1953. So we should never trust them again.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Do you have anything to say that is NOT about me? I understand that this is what you do.

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Aside from just not liking agreements with rogue nations, you haven't given me anything to discuss.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How do you think this is like the NK framework?

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It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

It's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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So the similarities of the deals are only in how presidents described them after they were made.

That's brilliant.

It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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I know it's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

I will ask you again, Darrin -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

I know it's a good deal for the United States. The world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors will closely monitor Iran to make sure it keeps it's commitments, only as it does so will Iran fully join the community of nations.

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I will ask you , SnakeBoy -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So the similarities of the deals are only in how presidents described them after they were made.

That's brilliant.

It's pretty apparent neither of you know anything about either of these deals.

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You seem to be very knowledgeable about this. What do you like about the deal? Be specific.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

You seem to be very knowledgeable about this. What do you like about the deal? Be specific.

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I like that it deals with both Plutonium and Uranium production and moves spent fuel out of Iran.

I like that it was a multilateral agreement including China and Russia. I'm not sure such a coalition and its diplomatic and economic pressure could be put together again.

I like that sanctions won't all be rescinded at once.