As I've said before: the Warriors' defense is overrated

They're a hell of a team, but tonight proved what I've been saying all along: they're definitely human on that end, and as Sean has pointed out many times, analytics are wayyyy overrated in basketball. Their D-Rating might be top 10, but they really don't pass the eye test. Tonight proved why analytics don't tell you the entire story about their defense. They get huge leads because the offense is just ridiculous, while the other team usually falls behind quickly leading to bad shots and turnovers as they hopelessly try to get back into ball games. This jacks up the Warriors' D-Rating big time and allows them to sort of take off some defensive possessions by bailing them out with bad offense. This also further ignites the Warriors' offense and transition game. Once the Pacers decided to play 12 minutes of disciplined ball, the Warriors' defense showed their true colors but their offense was still just good enough to keep them from blowing it barely. Still, Warriors gave up a whopping 123 points in regulation which would have Popovich pulling his very grey hairs out.


Bottom line is, it takes EXTREME discipline to beat the Warriors, on both ends, but they can be beaten. You have to stick to your gameplan and stay physical or else they will discourage you and you'll quickly find yourself down double digits. There is a very minimal margin for error for stupidity and unforced errors, bad shot selection and blown assignments -- but they can be beaten. You have to make guys like Iggy and Green volume shooters and hound Curry all game. You have to fight over every screen, no cheating under or it's 3 points every time. With Kawhi and Green on the perimeter and Timmy and Aldridge on the inside, it's possible -- it's obviously not going to be easy by any means -- but it is possible.

GSG :flag:

I thinky we win long time

I believe :cry






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Curry is a shit defender, and Draymond Bass got cooked by Thad Young :lol tbh tbh

GS won, you moron. Sean also doesn't disallow analytics, he hates raw +/-. BIG fucking difference.

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GS won, you moron. Sean also doesn't disallow analytics, he hates raw +/-. BIG fucking difference.

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He doesn't "disallow" them, but he has acknowledged that they are overrated (as recently as last night's game). Also, 10 years ago the Lenovo Stat (+/-) used to be considered "advanced analytics" before it became mainstream.

Another thing, their bench is pretty putrid compared to ours. They're a legit 8 deep, but they suffer an enormous dropoff when Curry and Thompson go to the bench.

If you were as smart as you say you are, you would understand that the ONLY real way to compare one team's defense to anothers IS Drtg, since it is pace neutral. PPG is not valid as a comparison, since you could simply slow the pace. You could have a brutally efficient offense, and just burn the shot clock every time to cover your average defense.

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Another thing, their bench is pretty putrid compared to ours. They're a legit 8 deep, but they suffer an enormous dropoff when Curry and Thompson go to the bench.

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That we can agree on.

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Another thing, their bench is pretty putrid compared to ours. They're a legit 8 deep, but they suffer an enormous dropoff when Curry and Thompson go to the bench.

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True yet they're still blowing teams out without Barnes and have even rested Bogut while still winning.
Also, eight deep is enough in the playoffs, especially when you have Curry on your team.

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If you were as smart as you say you are, you would understand that the ONLY real way to compare one team's defense to anothers IS Drtg, since it is pace neutral. PPG is not valid as a comparison, since you could simply slow the pace. You could have a brutally efficient offense, and just burn the shot clock every time to cover your average defense.

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That's last 5 years Grizzlies ball, tbh


Spurs do take about an average amount of time off the clock on offense and we do shoot quick shots if they're open and the situation calls for them. Probably more than we should honestly.


DRtg is overrated because even though it takes into account pace it doesn't take into account that the majority of teams aren't disciplined enough to not quit their offensive scheme and just jack up any old shot or turn the ball over when they're losing by 20. Which, by the naked eye, I have seen time and again teams doing that consistently against the Warriors. A smart offense would realize you don't win by jacking up 3s against an opportunistic defense of 5 quick guys 6'7" and under. You win by running screens and motion plays to get into the paint, and if the double comes you kick it out and then, only then, shoot a wide open three. Jacking is losing basketball.

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True yet they're still blowing teams out without Barnes and have even rested Bogut while still winning.
Also, eight deep is enough in the playoffs, especially when you have Curry on your team.

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Wasn't Brandon Rush a lottery pick like 7 years ago? He was a very good player on a couple teams early on before injuries derailed his career. But now he's back, and he should get more minutes going forward as the Warriors look to reduce the minutes of their star wings.


Also, Bogut is losing a lot of minutes to Ezeli. They're going to have to determine soon whether they want to keep Bogut or Ezeli because Ezeli is going to get paid.

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Wasn't Brandon Rush a lottery pick like 7 years ago? He was a very good player on a couple teams early on before injuries derailed his career. But now he's back, and he should get more minutes going forward as the Warriors look to reduce the minutes of their star wings.


Also, Bogut is losing a lot of minutes to Ezeli. They're going to have to determine soon whether they want to keep Bogut or Ezeli because Ezeli is going to get paid.

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Rush was a lottery pick and he has been giving them some solid minutes. Curry has been talking him up as a good pickup lately and good locker room guy.

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That's last 5 years Grizzlies ball, tbh


Spurs do take about an average amount of time off the clock on offense and we do shoot quick shots if they're open and the situation calls for them.


DRtg is overrated because even though it takes into account pace it doesn't take into account that the majority of teams aren't disciplined enough to not quit their offensive scheme and just jack up any old shot or turn the ball over when they're losing by 20. Which, by the naked eye, I have seen time and again teams doing that consistently against the Warriors. A smart offense would realize you don't win by jacking up 3s against an opportunistic defense of 5 quick guys 6'7" and under. You win by running screens and motion plays to get into the paint, and if the double comes you kick it out and then, only then, shoot a wide open three. Jacking is losing basketball.

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Since most teams still play that way on O (undisciplined), DRtg is still the best comparison. Great defenses can also FORCE teams out of their offense. It's a function of knowing when to go over, under, or switch screens, and GS is elite at it.

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Since most teams still play that way on O (undisciplined), DRtg is still the best comparison. Great defenses can also FORCE teams out of their offense. It's a function of knowing when to go over, under, or switch screens, and GS is elite at it.

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Eh, I think of it as being more like the Patriots whenever they are at their best. They go up so big early that opponents are forced to pass so they can just commit to rushing 4 guys, ignoring the run, and dropping everyone else in tight coverage avoiding the big play. Teams will then make dumb mistakes like throwing interceptions trying to hit the home run, and the Pats will come up with those plays on defense even though they've never really been an *elite* defense in the Brady/Belichick dynasty era.

The basketball equivalent is teams trying to make as many 3's as they can to try to get back in the game, and that just doesn't fly against the Warriors because the Warriors will grab the long rebound and run fastbreaks for easy layups and high percentage quick 3's of their own on the other end.

so much disrespect ...

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Since most teams still play that way on O (undisciplined), DRtg is still the best comparison. Great defenses can also FORCE teams out of their offense. It's a function of knowing when to go over, under, or switch screens, and GS is elite at it.

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DRtg might still be the best comparison, it's not a perfect way to assess a defense. In the last 10 games opponents have scored a ton against GSW, and the Warriors can hardly be accused of slowing down the pace of the game.

Most discussion here is related to playoffs performance (who gives a shit about the Warriors D against bottom of the barrel teams?), and that's not a time when teams tend to be undisciplined on O.

The Pacers scored 123 points; Toronto 109; Jazz 103; Kings 101 (!); Suns 116; Nuggets 105. Some of these games were close calls. My take is that the Warriors O is so incredibly potent that they slack on D quite a bit, and that might come back to bite them in the ass at the end of the season, as it's a lot easier to survive having an undisciplined O than an undisciplined D...

Who need defense when you can score 130+ every night ?

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If you were as smart as you say you are, you would understand that the ONLY real way to compare one team's defense to anothers IS Drtg, since it is pace neutral. PPG is not valid as a comparison, since you could simply slow the pace. You could have a brutally efficient offense, and just burn the shot clock every time to cover your average defense.

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You keep saying this, but it's still not true. Pace in basketball is like time of possession in football. It's not just controlled by one side of the ball. The defense can force three-and-outs or neutralize the run game in order to give their offense more time. Or they can be so bad that the offense scores in a couple of plays. Either way, it's not really just up to the offense to determine how long they take.

A good defense can totally force an offense to burn more time than they'd like to. If you limit transition, deter penetration and deny passes, you can totally make an offense use 15-20 seconds of the shot clock just trying to find some action that works. And that limits the pace almost as effectively as pounding the air out of ball on offense does.

Pace is something that both teams and both sides of the ball fight to control. If the Spurs D forces GS' O to use 15-20 seconds each possession, they'll win. Thinking that neutralizing pace makes DRtg instantly more representative is like thinking that neutralizing MPG makes per-36 numbers superior. You can only distill things so much before you start to distort meaning.

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Curry is a shit defender, and Draymond Bass got cooked by Thad Young :lol tbh tbh

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Dude is top 5 in steals per game.

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As I've said before, the Warrior's defense is overrated.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkMN3SF7JfA

Didn't read all that garbage. To beat the dubs you have to play them rough. Rough curry and klay up. Stick on them like fly on shit until they fold. A few dirty fouls may not be out of the question. Imo.

Being top 5 in steals doesn't mean you're a top defender. You may be good at certain facets of defense, but PGs typically get the most steals because they're playing the guy who handles the ball the most.

Similar to a guy who gets a ton of weak side blocks (Ibaka) not being a tremendous post defender.

The Cavs had them down 2-1 with LeBron + scrubs as key Cavs offensive players were out.
They are definitely beatable.

Props to the Wubs tho.
I think the coaching and culture created has been and is fantastic.

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Didn't read all that garbage. To beat the dubs you have to play them rough. Rough curry and klay up. Stick on them like fly on shit until they fold. A few dirty fouls may not be out of the question. Imo.

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Yup... playoff basketball going to be different. Spurs just need to review film of what Delevedova did to Curry during playoffs. Problem for Spurs is that we don't have the dirty player to guard Curry.

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Another thing, their bench is pretty putrid compared to ours. They're a legit 8 deep, but they suffer an enormous dropoff when Curry and Thompson go to the bench.

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Seriously, dude, what fucking game are you watching? The game was over three minutes into the second quarter, when they'd held the Pacers to 30 points and were up by over 20. The rest of the game was coasting.

Their starting back court averages 50 points per game. Curry's PER is 34.8. Let me say that again: Curry's PER is 34.8. If they had many teams' starters coming off the bench there'd be an enormous drop off.

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Seriously, dude, what fucking game are you watching? The game was over three minutes into the second quarter, when they'd held the Pacers to 30 points and were up by over 20. The rest of the game was coasting.

Their starting back court averages 50 points per game. Curry's PER is 34.8. Let me say that again: Curry's PER is 34.8. If they had many teams' starters coming off the bench there'd be an enormous drop off.

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Pacers scored 60 points in the half but were still down 20 points!! That is serious reason to worry!!!!

Their defense is good enough to make it extremely hard to keep up with their offense.

emulating Pistons bad boys or Harper / Jordan / Pippen defensive perimeter and you win

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Yup... playoff basketball going to be different. Spurs just need to review film of what Delevedova did to Curry during playoffs. Problem for Spurs is that we don't have the dirty player to guard Curry.

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Really? I am pretty sure the French don't bathe every day.

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I thinky we win long time

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Ha ha ha!!! How much we get for ten dollars?

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Yup... playoff basketball going to be different. Spurs just need to review film of what Delevedova did to Curry during playoffs. Problem for Spurs is that we don't have the dirty player to guard Curry.

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wish Mills got few of these "dirty chops" from his countryman..Warriors/Curry looked shook with the pestering physicality of Delly and Cavs early on in that series..I agree some controlled physicality will have to be brought against them..Trying to outshoot these guys is peak foolishness..

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Didn't read all that garbage. To beat the dubs you have to play them rough. Rough curry and klay up. Stick on them like fly on shit until they fold. A few dirty fouls may not be out of the question. Imo.

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By God, if I ever owned a basketball franchise- you'd be my first call.
I don't pay much, but the hours will be terrible...

Ban OP, terrible thread

The Warriors defense does have some catching up to do to their offense just like the Spurs offense has some catching up to do to their defense. Both the Warriors/Spurs haven't even peaked yet, the Spurs are winning by shutting down teams & the Warriors are winning w/ Curry emulating a video game on offense.

The Warriors look head & shoulders above better than anyone b/c their offense is so far ahead of the rest of the league (+7 ORtg) with Curry shooting the ball at an unprecedented efficiency. The Spurs defense needs to have a DRtg of 89 (hold teams to 85 ppg (-3 ppg) at the current pace) to match the Warriors offense.

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Ban OP, terrible thread

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OP is right, they're good, but as i've said before, they're so beatable, they've won some lucky games.

We just need to play our game, we'll get them.
Westy can rough some of the little bitches up too, give the splash bros a smash.

You beat the Warriors by playing better than them. That's the only way.

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...Both the Warriors/Spurs haven't even peaked yet...

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Spurs obviously haven't peaked, but I'm not sure about Golden Showers. They're playing like if this was a continuation of last season. Maybe they never stop peaking.

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wish Mills got few of these "dirty chops" from his countryman..Warriors/Curry looked shook with the pestering physicality of Delly and Cavs early on in that series..I agree some controlled physicality will have to be brought against them..Trying to outshoot these guys is peak foolishness..

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Dellavedova is 6'4", not really that big, but he just played really physical on Curry. Curry's performance was sub par. I don't think Green or Simmons have the savvy to play real dirty. Maybe Manu can, but he could be a step too slow at his age. Spurs need to sign up a bruiser who's only real role is to make Steph's life miserable.

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You beat the Warriors by playing better than them. That's the only way.

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Wrong. you beat them by bringing the 'nasty'.

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They're a hell of a team, but tonight proved what I've been saying all along: they're definitely human on that end, and as Sean has pointed out many times, analytics are wayyyy overrated in basketball. Their D-Rating might be top 10, but they really don't pass the eye test. Tonight proved why analytics don't tell you the entire story about their defense. They get huge leads because the offense is just ridiculous, while the other team usually falls behind quickly leading to bad shots and turnovers as they hopelessly try to get back into ball games. This jacks up the Warriors' D-Rating big time and allows them to sort of take off some defensive possessions by bailing them out with bad offense. This also further ignites the Warriors' offense and transition game. Once the Pacers decided to play 12 minutes of disciplined ball, the Warriors' defense showed their true colors but their offense was still just good enough to keep them from blowing it barely. Still, Warriors gave up a whopping 123 points in regulation which would have Popovich pulling his very grey hairs out.


Bottom line is, it takes EXTREME discipline to beat the Warriors, on both ends, but they can be beaten. You have to stick to your gameplan and stay physical or else they will discourage you and you'll quickly find yourself down double digits. There is a very minimal margin for error for stupidity and unforced errors, bad shot selection and blown assignments -- but they can be beaten. You have to make guys like Iggy and Green volume shooters and hound Curry all game. You have to fight over every screen, no cheating under or it's 3 points every time. With Kawhi and Green on the perimeter and Timmy and Aldridge on the inside, it's possible -- it's obviously not going to be easy by any means -- but it is possible.

GSG :flag:

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Dude have you ever actually played a sport? Do you know how hard it is to keep a big lead?? I have been on both sides of a blowout while playing. When you have a huge lead, the game feels like it takes FOREVER to end. It's easy to let up. Hell, it's almost human nature.. When you are losing big and you want to keep fighting to win then desperation mode kicks in and you start to play your absolute best to get back in. Most times it's just never enough though because the other team finally gets that reason to play hard again.


Another thing everyone MUST keep in mind.. Everyone wants to be the team that breaks the Warriors undefeated streak! So guess what? Every team is giving 110% effort every night! And they still win the games.

They remind me of the 2007 Suns whose run & gun offense was their defense. Cliché but true: Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

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They remind me of the 2007 Suns whose run & gun offense was their defense. Cliché but true: Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

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Very true. The 2007 Suns would have had an easy championship if the 2007 Spurs weren't there to meet them. That's the main difference.

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Their defense is good enough to make it extremely hard to keep up with their offense.

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Also this. Kind of like the Eagles' defense before the Tampa Bay loss

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Dude have you ever actually played a sport? Do you know how hard it is to keep a big lead?? I have been on both sides of a blowout while playing. When you have a huge lead, the game feels like it takes FOREVER to end. It's easy to let up. Hell, it's almost human nature.. When you are losing big and you want to keep fighting to win then desperation mode kicks in and you start to play your absolute best to get back in. Most times it's just never enough though because the other team finally gets that reason to play hard again.


Another thing everyone MUST keep in mind.. Everyone wants to be the team that breaks the Warriors undefeated streak! So guess what? Every team is giving 110% effort every night! And they still win the games.

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Yes, I've played a lot, both basketball and football, and I don't care if it's tied or we're up 40, I'm going to keep making plays to help my team score offensively and I'm going to continue to yell at my teammates to "get your fucking man" every time. It's serious business with me and sports

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They remind me of the 2007 Suns whose run & gun offense was their defense. Cliché but true: Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

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I told my friend this the other day. Offense wins you regular season games. Defense wins you championships. When the pressure is on and the shots arent dropping you have to find a way to stop the bleeding, if you cant defend, you cant win the title.

Guys, you beat the Warriors by scoring more points than them ok?

Op is another trash here, gsw defense is elite, the one is overrated is the spurs...

:lol OP, I hope you're more confident in this thread than you were about those Falcons and Giants threads, my nigga..

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Pacers scored 60 points in the half but were still down 20 points!! That is serious reason to worry!!!!

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Yeah, but the Pacers didn't start scoring until after the game was no longer in doubt, and the Dubs just matched them point-for-point. Their defense is far better than many people realize.

They just got destroyed down low by Monroe..We would really need a big LMA series to expose their underbelly..if Softridge gets punked by Green we are toast..

Fucking frauds.

Spurs HAVE to feed Lamarcus in the post all day against Draymond. Curry is such a scrub on defense, Parker will have to be aggressive

BUMP'd for truth!! :D


And it wasn't a fluke. With the game in striking distance for pretty much the entire 4th quarter, the Bucks feasted in the paint... they got literally anything they wanted, and the Warriors' defense was helpless. That's the blueprint to beat the Warriors... you have to force feed the paint and then deny Curry as much as possible, making the other guys beat you. I'm confident Spurs will beat the Warriors in no less than 6 games, but probably 5.

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Fucking frauds.

Spurs HAVE to feed Lamarcus in the post all day against Draymond

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YES. Warriors can't defend the paint for shit. Teams lose against them because they fall behind and then panic and jack up threes, but Warriors are quick and athletic and guard the 3 extremely well. But that doesn't change the fact they CAN'T GUARD THE DAMN PAINT FOR SHIT. We saw it in the Finals last year, if the Cavs just had a little more shooting they would have won that series.

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They just got destroyed down low by Monroe..We would really need a big LMA series to expose their underbelly..if Softridge gets punked by Green we are toast..

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Green is a fake tough guy full of fake emotion that *ain't about this life*. Kind of like Abaka, to be honest.

lol they lose 1 game in 25 tries and suddenly they are overrated.

Good lord.

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lol they lose 1 game in 25 tries and suddenly they are overrated.

Good lord.

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Made the thread near the end of the Pacers game... lrn2read :p: their paint D has always been shit but the league is full of millennials who mindlessly think they can beat them in a 3 point shooting contest.

Lol they were getting Bulls comparisons and people say they were properly rated

Lmao

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Lol they were getting Bulls comparisons and people say they were properly rated

Lmao

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Well on the bright side at least no more BSPN dicksucking

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lol they lose 1 game in 25 tries and suddenly they are overrated.

Good lord.

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Well on the bright side at least no more BSPN dicksucking

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they 4 games ahead of a historical spurs team. theyre the champs. they have the best offensive player in the league. ESPN will reload.

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they 4 games ahead of a historical spurs team. theyre the champs. they have the best offensive player in the league. ESPN will reload.

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Not historical, Spurs were 20–4 in 2001-02, not to mention 25–3 in 2010-11 when RJ was balling out for us well before he inexplicably went lame. As I've mentioned before we were 46–9 that year and handily in first place overall until the injuries began to mount and ultimately crush us. (Bulls finished first overall and Spurs lost to 8th seed)

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Dude is top 5 in steals per game.

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iverson led the league in steals and he has NEVER been a good defender. steals does not always determine if you are playing good defense. I stillhave no idea why people continue to bring it up

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iverson led the league in steals and he has NEVER been a good defender. steals does not always determine if you are playing good defense. I stillhave no idea why people continue to bring it up

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agree, Bowen never sniffed the leaderboard in either steals or blocks. A miss and a defensive rebound is just as good as a block and a rebound or a steal, and obviously better than a block out of bounds.

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Made the thread near the end of the Pacers game... lrn2read :p: their paint D has always been shit but the league is full of millennials who mindlessly think they can beat them in a 3 point shooting contest.

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You bumped it recently so no need to read the entire thread to get the gist of what you're saying. It's just wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsKCyNvnt7k

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsKCyNvnt7k

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Curry is a fucking liability, gtfo :lol

- #3 in the league among point guards in D-RPM, only behind Rubio and Lowry
- #4 in steals per game. steals are a poor way to solely judge a player's defense (see bowen) but it's just one of the factors here
- On/Off numbers are through the roof (defensively)

or you can just say "he's a liability" with nothing to back it up :tu

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- #3 in the league among point guards in D-RPM, only behind Rubio and Lowry
- #4 in steals per game. steals are a poor way to solely judge a player's defense (see bowen) but it's just one of the factors here
- On/Off numbers are through the roof (defensively)

or you can just say "he's a liability" with nothing to back it up :tu

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Well, this reddit post outlines it pretty well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/co...rriors_game_2/

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Well, this reddit post outlines it pretty well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/co...rriors_game_2/

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its a reddit post that was written by a spurs fan who outlined one game while basically trying to shit on curry the entire time

lets go back and analyze kawhi's defense in the first warriors matchup and make our judgments based on that one, too

Curry is the definition of a system defender though. Hes a better defender than guys like westbrook because hes actually a smart player. The problem with curry is when teams start attacking him, that's when he becomes a liability.

Otherwise, hes a smart player that plays within his teams defensive schemes without making idiot mistakes like westbrook.

Curry ranges from average to good defensively. He's not "elite", but he's sure as hell not a liability either.

I don't think he's elite per se, coach nick is over the top. Apa's assessment works. But people who just say he's a liability or socks defensively are just uneducated

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I don't think he's elite per se, coach nick is over the top. Apa's assessment works. But people who just say he's a liability or socks defensively are just uneducated

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amen brother

nice video

Anybody that watches Steph every game knows that hes a quality defensive player for his size

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its a reddit post that was written by a spurs fan who outlined one game while basically trying to shit on curry the entire time

lets go back and analyze kawhi's defense in the first warriors matchup and make our judgments based on that one, too

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I think it was less about "exposing" Curry, and more about the discussion that the Warriors run a defense predicated on several inflexible factors, and many of those can be exploited.

That said, I do think Steph is a decent defender. However, it's also apparent that he gets lost at times on D and ball watches occasionally. This might be by design when the Dubs go small, since they will need more help if a solid post-entry pass is made, but the point stands that they are by no means unbreakable on defense. I think in the playoffs when things slow down a bit, they'll HAVE to go to Bogut more often against us and use their small ball lineup a lot less frequently. Green can't guard several of our bigs, as guys like LMA, Diaw, and Duncan are going to go to town on him.

A lot of what the Spurs do to other teams will work on the Dubs if we target the right defenders. I think Curry is one that we need to specifically isolate and attack.

He generally guards the worst offensive player on the court. He doesn't really guard Parker when the Spurs play them, he guards Green because Green is limited to three point shooting and he just stays home. GSW defense in general, though, is very good at generating turnovers, at least against the Spurs.

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Bottom line is, it takes EXTREME discipline to beat the Warriors

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When I saw UNT had started a thread titled, "As I've Said Before..." I expected it to just say this: :pctoss:pctoss:pctoss:bang:bang:bang

Instead, it says that it's hard to beat Golden State. I'm still trying to figure out which I would prefer.

OP is right.... :lol Curry suckers

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- #3 in the league among point guards in D-RPM, only behind Rubio and Lowry
- #4 in steals per game. steals are a poor way to solely judge a player's defense (see bowen) but it's just one of the factors here
- On/Off numbers are through the roof (defensively)

or you can just say "he's a liability" with nothing to back it up :tu

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One thing he is is smart, I'll concede that. He has physical limitations that make him a liability against above average PGs who can shoot but he knows his limitations and which guys he can afford to help off of (the Andre Miller types) and which guys to play against the shot and funnel in to the help defense where the Warriors have gotten very good at making sure the lowest percentage shooter on the other team gets the ultimate shot.

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Originally Posted by cd98

He generally guards the worst offensive player on the court. He doesn't really guard Parker when the Spurs play them, he guards Green because Green is limited to three point shooting and he just stays home. GSW defense in general, though, is very good at generating turnovers, at least against the Spurs.

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They average the highest # of takeaways per game (as well as leading many other statistics obviously) and that's the point I try to make, Curry always tends to guard the guy who can "just shoot" on the opposite team, regardless of whether it's a PG, SG or smaller SF. It's not hard to guard the Danny Green's, Andre Roberson's, JJ Redick's, or even J.R. Smiths of the league. Take away the shot, don't get picked off on simple screens (which is one advantage Curry has by being so skinny) and the shooter's offensive game goes down the toilet.