Will Manu and Pop get treatment for alzheimer's?

Agree all the playmaking should not be on Manu.

What happened to LMA in the paint?
He seemed to have opened that can nicely a few games ago?

Manu was one of the only players that played with any energy tonight, tbh..

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sure it was ill advised. No doubt about it.

Instead of what? Give it to Danny so he can dribble it to the 3rd row? Patty so he can clank another one? Was Tony even playing in the 4th?

Nobody showed up all game long. Manu was the only one driving to the rack in the 4th and trying to cut the lead.

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The one knock on Manu is that he plays high-variance ball. That was a bad time for it. They had cut the lead to 3, and there was still time on the clock. Manu didn't have to take that terrible shot, and that was a time that a higher-percentage shot was the only thing. Maybe draw a whistle. Manu has an incredible basketball IQ, but the comment was that his situational IQ leaves something to be desired. You can't deny that. (I'm thinking of a particular foul on Dirk, but I won't be the one to bring it up. :stirpot:)

But immediately after that, Kawhi let Biyombo dunk the ball, instead of fouling a 60% FT shooter. That was pretty piss-poor situational awareness, too.

With Manu, people either remember all the crazy shots that he makes, and under-state the times like tonight when he pisses off a critical possession - or they remember the misses, and forget the fact that the team wouldn't have even been in it at the end, if not for him. That's sort of the nature of high-variance ball. For me, it's impossible to forget how many games he's won, or put the team in the position to win.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The one knock on Manu is that he plays high-variance ball. That was a bad time for it. They had cut the lead to 3, and there was still time on the clock. Manu didn't have to take that terrible shot, and that was a time that a higher-percentage shot was the only thing. Maybe draw a whistle. Manu has an incredible basketball IQ, but the comment was that his situational IQ leaves something to be desired. You can't deny that. (I'm thinking of a particular foul on Dirk, but I won't be the one to bring it up. :stirpot:)

But immediately after that, Kawhi let Biyombo dunk the ball, instead of fouling a 60% FT shooter. That was pretty piss-poor situational awareness, too.

With Manu, people either remember all the crazy shots that he makes, and under-state the times like tonight when he pisses off a critical possession - or they remember the misses, and forget the fact that the team wouldn't have even been in it at the end, if not for him. That's sort of the nature of high-variance ball. For me, it's impossible to forget how many games he's won, or put the team in the position to win.

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No denying that. But if that's the main criticism you picked up from tonight's piss poor team performance, then you gotta get yourself checked, IMO.

I'm 100% in agreement that Manu shouldn't be main closer in this day and age of the Spurs. But, it's way more alarming nobody else wanted to step up to the plate late in the game. So he did. Sure, he's old, he shouldn't be doing that.

At least I'm glad we have a guy that has the huevos to go fight for it until the last minute, mistakes or not. Peeps here are going to miss that when he's gone, tbh...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He was one of the reasons we made a run at the end there, when other 'high basketball IQs' guys were hiding...

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I saw Kawhi, 50% 3FG, asking the ball behind the three point line but Parker passed to Manu and that was Manu's air ball from 3.

Like I've said after the game against Boston, why the hell they don't look for the highest probability shot?

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

I saw Kawhi, 50% 3FG, asking the ball behind the three point line but Parker passed to Manu and that was Manu's air ball from 3.

Like I've said after the game against Boston, why the hell they don't look for the highest probability shot?

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I wouldn't have a problem with Kawhi taking the 3... I think we're talking the 3 Manu missed when we were 90-93... he just set up Green for his the previous play....

Without Manu we lose by 15+.

Dude is 38 and playing with more ferocity than anyone else on the team. If someone else showed up to play he might not have forced that shot but the way the game was going he probably figured he was the best option.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I wouldn't have a problem with Kawhi taking the 3...

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Well, someone has to pass the ball to the guy...Instead of Manu 1-6, Danny 2-7 and Parker 0-2 3's attempts, someone should have to look for the best shooter on the team and make some 3 point play for him.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Well, someone has to pass the ball to the guy...Instead of Manu 1-6, Danny 2-7 and Parker 0-2 3's attempts, someone should have to look for the best shooter on the team and make some 3 point play for him.

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Leonard 3pt Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Ginobili (2 AST)

Just a few plays before...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Leonard 3pt Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Ginobili (2 AST)

Just a few plays before...

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Kawhi 50% from 3. Just imagine...how good it could have been if they pass him more the ball behind the arc...

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Kawhi 50% from 3. Just imagine...how good it could have been if they pass him more the ball behind the arc...

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I want Kawhi more involved, period, tbh... he just didn't seem into the game tonight though... probably still sick...

Scola wins the match in the first minutes.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I want Kawhi more involved, period, tbh... he just didn't seem into the game tonight though... probably still sick...

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So why did he play? :pop:

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Originally Posted by MultiTroll

So why did he play? :pop:

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Pop still doesn't trust the other two wings he has.
Kawhi probably insisted on playing even though he wasn't feeling well, and had to take IV fluids bc of dehydration.

Pop even maybe let Kawhi out there too long when he was ineffective.

Kawhi playing while not at 100% reminds me of Tony trying to do the same. Sometimes these guys have too much of an ego and believe the team will loose if they don't play.

Guess what, it's better to have a replacement player who is healthy and putting in effort, than a sick star who doesn't have stamina or energy to really be out there at a high level.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He's one of the fiercest competitors on the team. He wants to win, sometimes it works (Boston game), sometimes it doesn't (tonight).

He was one of the reasons we made a run at the end there, when other 'high basketball IQs' guys were hiding...

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This!

If it wasn't for Manu we'd lost by 30 op is stupid, get a life.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Pop still doesn't trust the other two wings he has.
Kawhi probably insisted on playing even though he wasn't feeling well, and had to take IV fluids bc of dehydration.

Pop even maybe let Kawhi out there too long when he was ineffective.

Kawhi playing while not at 100% reminds me of Tony trying to do the same. Sometimes these guys have too much of an ego and believe the team will loose if they don't play.

Guess what, it's better to have a replacement player who is healthy and putting in effort, than a sick star who doesn't have stamina or energy to really be out there at a high level.

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4...3ufxo1_500.gif:lmao

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Agree.
We were lucky Simmons and Anderson showed up tonight, otherwise this would have been worse than it was.

Danny has been concerning to me all season too.

Simmons maybe not ready for real minutes, but might be. Who knows with Pop.
Anderson can play, maybe needs to be pushed by Pop.

Maybe Manu took an ill-advised 3, we have seen that b4.
It makes you go crazy with Manu is launching ill advised 3s, and yet Danny who should be pushing those 3s, is instead driving.

All around bad game, but for sure can't blame this on Manu. Someone else needed to show up and do something else.

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We can live with the shot, we can't live with a bailout attempt with 8 sec on the clock.

Love Manu and glad he's back but part of me wishes he retired. It's painful to see he can't do the things he used to do.

Lame

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Originally Posted by ElNono

No denying that. But if that's the main criticism you picked up from tonight's piss poor team performance, then you gotta get yourself checked, IMO.

I'm 100% in agreement that Manu shouldn't be main closer in this day and age of the Spurs. But, it's way more alarming nobody else wanted to step up to the plate late in the game. So he did. Sure, he's old, he shouldn't be doing that.

At least I'm glad we have a guy that has the huevos to go fight for it until the last minute, mistakes or not. Peeps here are going to miss that when he's gone, tbh...

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If the Spurs are down by 1 or 2, and need a last-second shot to tie or win? I'll watch Manu take the shot and not have any problems with the outcome. Right now, at his age. But that shot last night was a bad choice, and I'd be saying the same thing even if he had made it. (And, as always, I'd catch a lot of shit for saying it, after a miracle shot.) The point is, they didn't NEED a 3 on that possession - they needed the greatest chance of closing the gap a little more.

The Spurs lost that game at about the 10 minute mark of the 3rd. They had closed to 8 points, then in one possession: Parker missed jumper, Parker missed 3P, Aldridge driving layup missed, Green missed 3P. Danny got a steal and: Parker driving layup missed. The starters had a chance to break Toronto's confidence (and lead) at that point, and pissed it away. And people want to blame the loss on Manu for not being 100% perfect in the last few minutes? That's just pure dumb shit.

The Spurs had dug themselves into such a big hole, they had to play perfect down the stretch to win that game, or send it to OT. And Manu damn near got them there. Aside from that one ill-advised shot, this is what the play-by-play shows for Manu in the last 5:24 of the game:
Ginobili driving reverse layup shot
Leonard 3P shot (Ginobili AST)
Ginobili driving layup shot
Green 3P shot (Ginobili AST)
Ginobili FT1 and FT2.

He is beyond finished. I clamored this for months. He will be our undoing.

Missed most of the game, but I couldn't understand two things at the end:

Manu was initiating the offense and looking for kawhi but made 3 aside it looked like kawhi didn't want it. Felt like everyone on the team was passing up shots last night

The raps were missing half their frontcourt, how the hell did lma, td, diaw, West, and Leonard get outplayed by scola and biyombo? Haven't seen the boxscore but thats how it looked to me

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Originally Posted by GSH

If the Spurs are down by 1 or 2, and need a last-second shot to tie or win? I'll watch Manu take the shot and not have any problems with the outcome. Right now, at his age. But that shot last night was a bad choice, and I'd be saying the same thing even if he had made it. (And, as always, I'd catch a lot of shit for saying it, after a miracle shot.) The point is, they didn't NEED a 3 on that possession - they needed the greatest chance of closing the gap a little more.

The Spurs lost that game at about the 10 minute mark of the 3rd. They had closed to 8 points, then in one possession: Parker missed jumper, Parker missed 3P, Aldridge driving layup missed, Green missed 3P. Danny got a steal and: Parker driving layup missed. The starters had a chance to break Toronto's confidence (and lead) at that point, and pissed it away. And people want to blame the loss on Manu for not being 100% perfect in the last few minutes? That's just pure dumb shit.

The Spurs had dug themselves into such a big hole, they had to play perfect down the stretch to win that game, or send it to OT. And Manu damn near got them there. Aside from that one ill-advised shot, this is what the play-by-play shows for Manu in the last 5:24 of the game:
Ginobili driving reverse layup shot
Leonard 3P shot (Ginobili AST)
Ginobili driving layup shot
Green 3P shot (Ginobili AST)
Ginobili FT1 and FT2.

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Well-said. 100% agreed!

Just not fair to put any blame on Manu this year, he is on a 2.5 million dollar contract, playing whenever Pop decides to play him, and still made plays for us to be in position to win.

Did he took a 3 early in the shoot clock, yes, but he also was responsible for the last 10 spurs points. So if you remove Manu from the team last night most likely you are not in position to win.

The problem i have with the team as of now is why on earth Manu still looks like the player with the most commitment to winning out there.

I dont want to make a lot of noise about a probable loss, but come on, the man is 38 and still outplaying every star on our team and playing harder than the scrubs, that cant continue.