Should Simmons start ahead of Green?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

If they're going to bench Green, starting Anderson is a no-brainer, he's much better than Simmons..

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^This. Simmons has potential but isn't ready to be a starter at this point. He turns the ball over and commits bad fouls way too much.

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Originally Posted by Nathan89

No. Green either figures it out or we are done.

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^Also this. Without the Green that we used to know, we don't stand a chance against the Warriors.

Simmons over Anderson if it comes to it. Simmons isn't a great for next to manu with his smaller size and length, compared to Anderson well wound be better against the bigger sfs in the league.

If anything, the move I'd rather see is Green still in the starting lineup, but replacing Mills with Simmons and use Manu as the ball handler. Patty has not had a good year to my eyes, and they need to be able to go big at the point to compete with Golden State for stretches.

Spurs will need his defense more than offense against Warriors. Give him time to get his shot back.

Man the pass of the dribble turnover was a killer down the stretch.

lol spurfan groupthink is fun.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

lol spurfan groupthink is fun.

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I'm starting to see it as torture.

So how many of you think he is worth the max now. I told you Green was worth only around 7-8 mil a year. He is still a good defender but he is a liability on offense. Guys like that are worth what Ariza, Reddick's, etc in world are making.

The problem is Kawhi and LMA. Now that he isn't just sitting in the corner waiting for 3's, Kawhi working the perimeter crowds Green space. Green needs to sit on the corner 3 more like Bowen did. His favorite spots are the wing, but Kawhi and LMA both like working the high post which puts a bottleneck into Green's play. If need would just rotate more to the corner and stay there, he would get a lot more open 3 point looks.

Yes, he should go to the bench. You can give Simmons, Butler, Anderson and even McCallum chances to see what they can do. He needs a change of pace.

That said, he's dribbling more because Pop wants him to. I imagine he's trying to figure out a way to make Green more of a threat with the ball so teams can't just rest players on him. Against the Warriors, people want Parker to play well so Steph has to work, but Curry will be on Green, so it won't matter what Parker does. Danny's going to have to force Curry to play defense, so sitting in a corner is not really an option.

Green would probably get more open looks with the 2nd unit, that's what he needs. But I don't see it happening. He just needs to figure it out and for the love of God stop dribbling. Nothing good ever happens when he dribbles. It's either a floater that misses the rim or a turnover.

LMAO at this thread and its Spurfans Anonymous self-help group.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down. Green is trying to expand his game and it's going to take time...and now is the time to work on it. His shot always comes and goes...but when he's hot he's one of the best. Tbh Spurs just hope he's hot come postseason...but Green best asset is his defense and guarding Westbrook/Curry type of players.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down. Green is trying to expand his game and it's going to take time...and now is the time to work on it. His shot always comes and goes...but when he's hot he's one of the best. Tbh Spurs just hope he's hot come postseason...but Green best asset is his defense and guarding Westbrook/Curry type of players.

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Yeah, that TO at the end of the game yesterday left me in a Zen moment. I wasn't upset but I was like, WTF is Green doing.

LOL Spurs fans thinking

DG>>>Bowen:lol
DG>>>Capt Jack:lol
DG>>>Memorial Day:lol
DG>>>Finley:lol
DG>>>Klay Thompson(Harlem):lol
DG>>>Ariza:lol
DG>>>Reddick:lol
DG>>>Jeremy Lamb:lol
DG>>>Oladipo:lol
DG Top 5 SG:lol

lol

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Originally Posted by Nathan89

No. Green either figures it out or we are done.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

If this is the real Green, then the Spurs aren't even close to a contender, unfortunately..

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This.

Part of the issue is the new offense, but Greens shot appears to be broken to boot. He's clanking a lot of open looks that he ordinarily drains.

He's also the worst passer on the team. When he gets the ball he needs to be doing one thing, and one thing only.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

The bench plays a very chaotic style that involves a lot of passing and cutting and reads on defense by everybody and all 3 perimeter players put the ball on the floor, cut, relocate and screen for each other. Danny has been very poor in that setting. His decision making and increased desire to drive has had bad results with the bench, since Manu is already TO prone, and lately so has been Patty. Adding Danny to that lineup is like gasoline to the fire.

Anderson could play with both units. He's unlikely to make mistakes and he's a nice passer, and an unselfish player. Would be perfect for the SL since they already have too many guys that need to be fed shots. He can't defend quickie guards which is Danny's task and there you have the catch 22.

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Ah and here is the rub TP cannot guard the quickie guards, they are the biggest threat to our defense for the last few years, the Monte Ellis, B Westbrook quick penetration has been our Achilles heel and starting Fathead might only make that worse, not against most teams but against some it would be fatal.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, he should go to the bench. You can give Simmons, Butler, Anderson and even McCallum chances to see what they can do. He needs a change of pace.

That said, he's dribbling more because Pop wants him to. I imagine he's trying to figure out a way to make Green more of a threat with the ball so teams can't just rest players on him. Against the Warriors, people want Parker to play well so Steph has to work, but Curry will be on Green, so it won't matter what Parker does. Danny's going to have to force Curry to play defense, so sitting in a corner is not really an option.

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i wonder if they can incorporate running him off of a bunch of screens much like Patty or TP. Youre right about camping him in the corner though.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down. Green is trying to expand his game and it's going to take time...and now is the time to work on it. His shot always comes and goes...but when he's hot he's one of the best. Tbh Spurs just hope he's hot come postseason...but Green best asset is his defense and guarding Westbrook/Curry type of players.

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His game is clearly regressing, and his shot has been off like a full year, last December Manu was the one giving his all in a hard schedule DG is just a role player and people should be asking him to do 3&D, because you are incorporating new tricks to the bag it doesnt mean you now suddenly suck at everything you already know.
I was one of the few users here saying DG was not a 10 mil/year player, what most guys dont understand is DG never had big aspirations in BB he was trash in Cleveland, waived and Spurs took him to his limits he had his peak in 14 and now after a championship and getting $ he is not worthy the time to get back to mediocrity has come.
Dude is not mentally or physically prepared to be more than a role player, by the way... you cant just expect uncontested shots just all the time, WTF is that?

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

So how many of you think he is worth the max now. I told you Green was worth only around 7-8 mil a year. He is still a good defender but he is a liability on offense. Guys like that are worth what Ariza, Reddick's, etc in world are making.

The problem is Kawhi and LMA. Now that he isn't just sitting in the corner waiting for 3's, Kawhi working the perimeter crowds Green space. Green needs to sit on the corner 3 more like Bowen did. His favorite spots are the wing, but Kawhi and LMA both like working the high post which puts a bottleneck into Green's play. If need would just rotate more to the corner and stay there, he would get a lot more open 3 point looks.

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What does Green's performance this year have to do with what he was worth in past years? That's like saying Aldridge isn't worth anywhere near his money, because of how he's played this season:lol

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

His game is clearly regressing, and his shot has been off like a full year, last December Manu was the one giving his all in a hard schedule DG is just a role player and people should be asking him to do 3&D, because you are incorporating new tricks to the bag it doesnt mean you now suddenly suck at everything you already know.
I was one of the few users here saying DG was not a 10 mil/year player, what most guys dont understand is DG never had big aspirations in BB he was trash in Cleveland, waived and Spurs took him to his limits he had his peak in 14 and now after a championship and getting $ he is not worthy the time to get back to mediocrity has come.
Dude is not mentally or physically prepared to be more than a role player, by the way... you cant just expect uncontested shots just all the time, WTF is that?

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He shot 42% from 3 last year and was huge last December, actually..

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

his shot has been off like a full year,

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No. Dude set a franchise record for made threes last season, and he was a top two SG in fantasy production. Dude was playing like a $15 Million player last year.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It's unnerving, but I think Pop is just letting him figure it out. If there's a time to do it, it's now. He'll keep starting and hopefully he can regain his touch from downtown... a shot of confidence would work great for him.

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Figure what out? The guy is simply missing shots.

i wouldn't say he should start at this juncture but i definitely wanna see him get more playing time. he needs it.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, he should go to the bench. You can give Simmons, Butler, Anderson and even McCallum chances to see what they can do. He needs a change of pace.

That said, he's dribbling more because Pop wants him to. I imagine he's trying to figure out a way to make Green more of a threat with the ball so teams can't just rest players on him. Against the Warriors, people want Parker to play well so Steph has to work, but Curry will be on Green, so it won't matter what Parker does. Danny's going to have to force Curry to play defense, so sitting in a corner is not really an option.

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Funny how even the media proclaimed demigod Curry shifts to the less active G on defense, but I am sure he isn't roasted for it on Dubs boards like TP is over here. I guess it happens. Blair was the whipping boy for a spell, the Parker but now it seems to be moving towards LMA and Verde. I guess no matter how cool the class, there has to be one whipping boy.

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Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Funny how even the media proclaimed demigod Curry shifts to the less active G on defense, but I am sure he isn't roasted for it on Dubs boards like TP is over here. I guess it happens. Blair was the whipping boy for a spell, the Parker but now it seems to be moving towards LMA and Verde. I guess no matter how cool the class, there has to be one whipping boy.

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Because Warriors don't really have anyone to shift Parker on. He'll be shifted onto Barnes but will still get torched.