Should Simmons start ahead of Green?

Of course not; he'd cramp their spacing. Whether Green starts progressing to the mean or not, he's built up so much currency as a shooter, I highly doubt that teams are going to disregard him or at least have less regard for him . . . and that's what spacing is. It's not actual ability to shoot, it's the reputation for being able to do so.

The reality is, they no longer have another starting option (obviously Ginobili is needed to run the second unit) and it's yet another reason why they need to upgrade fourth wing. Not that they need a starter, but it would be nice to have someone to push him.

As an aside, I don't get why Pop has seemingly decided Butler is no longer a wing, when his best attribute has been his surprising athleticism/mobility. Granted, he hasn't shot it well since around mid season last season, but they desperately need three-point shooting and he at least has the rep.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

First off, he's attempting 15% of his shot b/w 3-16 ft at a 31% success rate (his attempts have gone up & his efficiency has gone down the drain esp. from 3-10 ft where he take his shitty floaters). His 46% at the rim & his 28% on his floaters are both WORST on the team.

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Why do you say "first off" like that even addresses what I said? You're talking about a completely different type of shot. Anyway, he went from those shot comprising 11 percent of his attempts to them comprising 16 percent of his attempts. Somehow, I don't think that explains his inefficiency.

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His turnover rate has also increased by 4% although his usage rate has decreased. (Kawhi's TOs rate has decreased w/ increased usage is only 7% compared to 14% for Danny)

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Green has had a larger percentage of his TOs come from violations or offensive fouls (illegal screens). He's averaging 1.04 on-ball TOs a game despite being such an abortion driving, and that's compared to the .95 he averaged per game last year. Again, that will be statistically significant if it holds up, but it won't explain why everything else is so bad.

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My point is instead of him driving into a crowd, he should pull up for a long two instead of throwing up a shitty float or turning the ball over. The best thing to do would be to swing the ball if defenders are running at him & get the defense scrambling.

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You're trying to create a bigger problem than there is. Green is definitely worse this year than he was last year, but that's just an across-the-board thing. He's not particularly worse at driving. Green does not need to settle for the worst shot in basketball.

Simmons should definitely start. Sure he has a habit of fouling RIGHT NOW, and is often times roaming on defense, but all of that is fixed with PT. Tbh this has been on its way for quite some time with Danny Green. Pop has done a masterful job disguising his dreadful deficiencies for as long as he has, but outright this dude just stinks. Sure he does good things like rebounding, good transition & help defense, and shooting. However, his greatest asset, shooting, has decreased to its mean. I must say I'm impressed because I felt it'd happen a season or 2 ago, but I was wrong. Long story short he's really useless when his shot isn't falling, and there's a reason why he was in the D-League and cut multiple times. There's a reason why Coach Pop said he's useless if he's not knocking down his shots. He doesn't belong in this league, but credit to Pop and the coaching staff for leading everyone to believe otherwise. He passes the ball like a WNBA guard. Does he even lift? Jesus Christ this dude stinks. I could go all day but I'm not really in the mood to debate. Continue justifying his efficiency with advanced stats.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Anderson would play the three and Kawhi would play the two. Kyle would get the worse wing to guard. He seems like a decent corner shooter now, so he can spot up there at the worst. The rebounding would be insane with Kyle, Leonard, LMA and Duncan. And there'd be nice help defense. I don't think it's a playoff-worthy lineup, but I wouldn't mind rolling it out against the majority of opponents.

And it's not like Danny wouldn't still be playing starter's minutes. He'd probably come in at the seven- or eight-minute mark and close out the quarter. Then he'd come back at the nine-minute mark of the second and play until the two- or three-minute mark. It would mean Kawhi wouldn't play as deep into the first, but that's probably a good thing anyway.

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We would not be able to use that lineup to start against some teams, but I like your suggestion. I would like to see that as a starting unit against some of the bigger and/or slower teams in the league, as well as during games when we have the lead. Good luck to an opponent's small ball lineup trying to defend that lineup.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Green leaves Kyle Korver open. If the dude is just standing around, Danny's going to drift off him. It's just his nature. The dude managed to leave Jimmer Fredette open.



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Well if Green drops off Curry when asked to step in and defend then my nature is to bench him.

Oooooomg that dunk off the air ball then tried to put Randle on a poster....

Does :pop: read Spurstalk?

Need some damage control in this thread tbh

(kind of)

http://i.giphy.com/5mBE2MiMVFITS.gif

LDN is still mah nigga tho.

Keep Manu on 10 mpg and develop Simmons during the regular season...

Gif of simmons dunk please

Pop went Serbian on Green tonight, that might wake him up.
Simmons and Anderson are each possible starters if Green continues to go fetal this season.

Simmons +17
Green -2

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Originally Posted by ginobilized

Pop went Serbian on Green tonight, that might wake him up.
Simmons and Anderson are each possible starters if Green continues to go fetal this season.

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Anderson:lmao

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Keep Manu on 10 mpg and develop Simmons during the regular season...

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Simmons is the man.

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Originally Posted by bic50

Gif of simmons dunk please

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https://streamable.com/7o7m

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Keep Manu on 10 mpg and develop Simmons during the regular season...

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or just give Simmons all of Manu's minutes.

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Originally Posted by TMTTRIO

or just give Simmons all of Manu's minutes.

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Yeah we get it, you hate (love) Manu.

Does Manu have a restraining order on you or something?

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Originally Posted by playbonner15

https://streamable.com/7o7m

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Thanks :bobo

Really concerning now about Danny Green. What does Pop need to do to get him motivated?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Why do you say "first off" like that even addresses what I said? You're talking about a completely different type of shot. Anyway, he went from those shot comprising 11 percent of his attempts to them comprising 16 percent of his attempts. Somehow, I don't think that explains his inefficiency.

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It's relevant b/c it debunked your claimed about him attempting more shot at the rim than he's shooting floaters when he's ACTUALLY attempting as many floaters as layups.

simmons is slowly gaining more and more confidence and he is really forcing pop to think about inserting him in the starting lineup. the only thing keeping him from starting is him getting lost on defense at times. danny is doing everything he can to give simmons his starting job.

Last season some here were upset with pop because they felt he was being an asshole to green and using him as a wiping boy. Now they say green sucks to start simmons or trade him or maybe pop needs to wake green up. Maybe pop was being an asshole to green because it lights a fire under greens ass and makes him perform better. I think pop as lightened up on green this season and so far he isn't the same green we are used to.
I feel bad for green though. Good thing is simmons is starting to come along nicely, so once green gets out of this slump we have green and simmons contributing.