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Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
Something to keep an eye on..The Memphis 3 point explosion aside (done on his own with a hot hand), majority of Kawhi touches have come late in clock or in 2nd half and has resulted in mostly inefficient games (from Chicago game on)..
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Parker took 7 shots in 30 mn... that's not being the focal point of the offense... 5 players took more shots than him... west in 16 mn shot 6 :lol
weird timing to complain about parker getting too many touches
Kawhi was not feeling good, he had an off game... I don't see the big deal
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dabom
I better not see Green with more shots than Kawhi ever again.
Or else...?
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ITT: people (most Rique fanboys) who think FGAs determine offensive philosophy of a team
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Spurs beat writing said Leonard had no legs and no energy
Parker might have gotten sick from him since they are close
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Don't think it's contagious
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FkLA
ITT: people (most Rique fanboys) who think FGAs determine offensive philosophy of a team
:lol earlier in the season you were literally complaining that parker's usage rate was too low
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spurraider21
:lol earlier in the season you were literally complaining that parker's usage rate was too low
Wut? No I wasn't and even if I was obviously a happy medium would be ideal not this revolving the offense around him BS.
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FkLA
and becoming more Enrique-centered. I know he's been playing better but is this a good thing? I kinda miss the days when people were complaining that the offense was too iso-oriented with Kawhi/LMA tbh.
I'd rather go down on the backs of two stars in their prime instead of overelying on a 33 yr old PG.
but, kawhi was ill. relax, long season, he will get his touches and dominate the game.
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A Kawhi-centered offense will never be as good as the offense when Parker was at his height. If Tony has it going on, you give him the ball. Same thing with any Spur. Why don't people understand this by now?
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Chinook
A Kawhi-centered offense will never be as good as the offense when Parker was at his height. If Tony has it going on, you give him the ball. Same thing with any Spur. Why don't people understand this by now?
Because Tony's 33 and the Spurs should find other options to run their offense? Because the Spurs don't have cap space to sign a superstar PG until 2018? Because they need to continue to develop Kawhi as an offensive player?
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YGWHI
Because Tony's 33 and the Spurs should find other options to run their offense? Because the Spurs don't have cap space to sign a superstar PG until 2018? Because they need to continue to develop Kawhi as an offensive player?
No. No to all of those. Especially the second one.
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Chinook
A Kawhi-centered offense will never be as good as the offense when Parker was at his height. If Tony has it going on, you give him the ball. Same thing with any Spur. Why don't people understand this by now?
Kawhi is not at his peak.
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Chinook
No. No to all of those. Especially the second one.
So you think the Spurs shouldn't find other ways, shouldn't develop Kawhi's offensive game?
Not sure if there are many ways to develop a player's offense if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, for the stats we know that Kawhi shots less and has a low USG% with Parker on the court.
Talking about cap space, I remember you and richie saying the Spurs couldn't sign a big name free agent until 2018, they will have a massive amount of cap space before that season?
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Chinook
A Kawhi-centered offense will never be as good as the offense when Parker was at his height. If Tony has it going on, you give him the ball. Same thing with any Spur. Why don't people understand this by now?
Because too many player fans put the welfare and adoration of one player above the whole.
Pop has actually made a lot of adjustments to the offense to take advantage of Kawhi's skillset. Lamarcus and Danny are the ones struggling the most. In the Raptors game, maybe Kawhi should not have even played.
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SAGirl
Because too many player fans put the welfare and adoration of one player above the whole.
Parker or Kawhi? We know Kawhi's the present and future of the franchise, it's reasonable to expect to run the offense a bit more through him.
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Pop has actually made a lot of adjustments to the offense to take advantage of Kawhi's skillset
Maybe in the first games. In the last 4 games we saw that Pop adjustments were relying on Parker-LMA PnR/pops, and not giving the ball to Kawhi in the post, basically he didn't have touches in the first half of those games.
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In the Raptors game, maybe Kawhi should not have even played.
Agree. It was pretty obvious.
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dang chinook shaking them player fans by the balls without mercy.
Look wake me up in MAy 2016 if Kawhi is still being frozen out. This is mad scientist time. Ya;ll been here before? Spurs regular season? Pre SPAM games?
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oh no my favorite player is not getting all the touches, i must jihad
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K...
Look wake me up in MAy 2016 if Kawhi is still being frozen out...oh no my favorite player is not getting all the touches, i must jihad
Well, at least this time you are not calling Kawhi retarded...A step in the right direction after all.
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bic50
Kawhi is not at his peak.
Even if he becomes prime Melo on offense, an offense based around him won't be as good as the offense around Parker at his peak.
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Chinook
Even if he becomes prime Melo on offense, an offense based around him won't be as good as the offense around Parker at his peak.
But the problem is that Parker isn't at his peak anymore. That's why the Spurs should try to find other ways...
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YGWHI
So you think the Spurs shouldn't find other ways, shouldn't develop Kawhi's offensive game?
Not sure if there are many ways to develop a player's offense if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, for the stats we know that Kawhi shots less and has a low USG% with Parker on the court.
Talking about cap space, I remember you and richie saying the Spurs couldn't sign a big name free agent until 2018, they will have a massive amount of cap space before that season?
The Spurs should give the hot hand the ball, now and always. If Tony's offense is having an Indian summer, he gets the ball. Duncan got the ball against the Clippers, and he fails every check you had set up for Parker. Kawhi will have to learn to play with guys, because his offense outside of set plays and spot-up shots isn't all that conducive to sharing the ball. That will come in time, but a non-marginalized Kawhi is going to bog down the offense a bit -- look at Melo and Kobe in their primes for examples of this, and then calibrate for the way the game has changed.
Anyway, the Spurs will be flush with cap space after next season. They'll get more in 2018, when Parker expires and Green and LMA can opt out. But the team will be able to enter the summer of 2017 with a max slot.
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YGWHI
But the problem is that Parker isn't at his peak anymore. That's why the Spurs should try to find other ways...
No. You're concatenating two separate statements. The Spurs don't have to focus on building an offense around Kawhi, because that won't be a dominant offense. Kawhi can become a dominant offensive player like Melo or Prime Kobe, but the rest of the team is going to struggle with awkward roles. Building around a wing is extremely difficult.
That's one idea, the other one is that if Parker is shooting well, he should get the ball. It's not about building an offense around Parker now -- it's about taking advantage of players having hot nights. Parker only has so many elite games left in him, and the team should make sure he gets all he can eat on those days. They shouldn't go, "Sorry Tony, I know you have it going on, but we have to give Kawhi his turn."
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Chinook
Kawhi will have to learn to play with guys, because his offense outside of set plays and spot-up shots isn't all that conducive to sharing the ball.
Learning to play with guys, means at some point, to have the ball in his hands to make the right decision between shot or make a play for others.
We won't see Kawhi in that position very often with Parker calling the plays...that's why I said before I'd like to see Kawhi playing more minutes with the second unit.
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Anyway, the Spurs will be flush with cap space after next season. They'll get more in 2018, when Parker expires and Green and LMA can opt out. But the team will be able to enter the summer of 2017 with a max slot.
Thanks. I was thinking in 2018 because of Parker expires but a season before sounds really good.