Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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YGWHI
Learning to play with guys, means at some point, to have the ball in his hands to make the right decision between shot or make a play for others.
We won't see Kawhi in that position very often with Parker calling the plays...that's why I said before I'd like to see Kawhi playing more minutes with the second unit.
Kawhi plays a lot with the second unit for a guy who starts. He's the last guy subbed out, or second-to-last if LMA has to stay in. But anyway, Parker's a Spur for three more years. You don't waste his last good years planning for him not being on the team. If Parker's getting into the paint consistently on the team, Kawhi should just trot to the corner and wait for the secondary action. The only initiator that's better than a clean Parker drive is a Diaw mismatch post-up.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Parker or Kawhi? We know Kawhi's the present and future of the franchise, it's reasonable to expect to run the offense a bit more through him.
There are player fans both ways. . . also there are player fans beyond these two, they just don't make it a duel between them or at least not to the degree of these two.
None of them are my favorite player, but I like them both. Each has their role. Bottom line, the team runs best with both guys as well as others (Danny and LMA currently who are both struggling to adapt in different and individual ways), being unselfish and making plays for the collective.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
People still want choker porker to chuck? Dude isn't in his prime so why do people keep talking like he is going to round into form anytime soon or even at all?
Same people that probably expected LMA to be the leading scorer probably.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Chinook
No. You're concatenating two separate statements. The Spurs don't have to focus on building an offense around Kawhi, because that won't be a dominant offense. Kawhi can become a dominant offensive player like Melo or Prime Kobe, but the rest of the team is going to struggle with awkward roles.
Nobody expects Kawhi has 24 FGA like prime Kobe/Melo, that won't happen with this team, but not sure why having a PG who can distribute the offense more than look for his own plays is an awkward role for a point guard.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Maybe in the first games. In the last 4 games we saw that Pop adjustments were relying on Parker-LMA PnR/pops, and not giving the ball to Kawhi in the post, basically he didn't have touches in the first half of those games.
He did have touches. You are not going to run the full game through him, particularly when you have other talent in the roster.
Perhaps Pops wants to establish LMA early. As anyone else he's a rhythm player. He could have actually helped against the Raptors and didn't. That is on LMA and Pop. I expect Pop will continue to try different things to get LMA going. Maybe Kawhi should be involved in plays with him more. Not all touches by Kawhi need to be post ups. He runs some PnR as well with TD and LMA.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
But anyway, Parker's a Spur for three more years. You don't waste his last good years planning for him not being on the team. If Parker's getting into the paint consistently on the team, Kawhi should just trot to the corner and wait for the secondary action.
If there's a secondary action...
On other point of view, the Spurs shouldn't have Kawhi parking in the corner for three years more.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
He did have touches.
Not in the first half.
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Perhaps Pops wants to establish LMA early. That is on LMA and Pop. I expect Pop will continue to try different things to get LMA going. Maybe Kawhi should be involved in plays with him more. Not all touches by Kawhi need to be post ups. He runs some PnR as well with TD and LMA
Agree. That's Pop is doing but like I've said before I'd like to see some designed play that involve both. Play them as a tandem will benefit the offense.
People here love the idea of Kawhi parking in the corner but having a passive Kawhi isn't the best for this team.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Not in the first half.
Agree. That's Pop is doing but like I've said before I'd like to see some designed play that involve both. Play them as a tandem will benefit the offense.
People here love the idea of Kawhi parking in the corner but having a passive Kawhi isn't the best for this team.
It is good for him to spot up occassionally because he's already playing about 40 minutes in really tight contested games against elite teams. You have to preserve his energy if you want him to continue to play elite defense.
He is terrific on 3 pt shots this season.
About 45% of his shots are still assisted, which for sure helps his effectiveness, just as much as he helps others when he post ups and ends up passing to someone who is open due to his double teaming.
There has to be a balance specially this early bc other guys don't have it going. Kawhi hit the floor running this season, Tony has been spectacular as well.
Others are struggling and deserve attention from Pop to find out what works.
It will all hopefully come together at some point.
Not sure what is up with Pop not running plays for Kawhi and LMA, other than maybe Kawhi is not good enough in those plays, or on PnR, or as a ballhandler. I do believe they need to find a successful 2 man game, but it might hinge more on LMA at this point than on Kawhi. LMA is still lost in this offense, other than popping, and taking his midrange shots. We'll see, that is an area I hope Pop continues to experiment on and it may not come together until later in the season.
Tony is barely getting chemistry with LMA himself. He's been better with Tim, and you also want to phase Tim out. If you were going to complaint about the offense being out of whack, this is another area to point to instead of the Kawhi post up issue. I think he's getting enough.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Kawhi plays a lot with the second unit for a guy who starts. He's the last guy subbed out, or second-to-last if LMA has to stay in. But anyway, Parker's a Spur for three more years. You don't waste his last good years planning for him not being on the team. If Parker's getting into the paint consistently on the team, Kawhi should just trot to the corner and wait for the secondary action. The only initiator that's better than a clean Parker drive is a Diaw mismatch post-up.
In fact, Kawhi has been extremely effective when teamed with Simmons, and vice versa. I would argue that the best "initiators" are Parker, Manu and Boris.
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lol at Chinook wanting Kawhi to stand in the corner in favor of an Enrique-centered offense
Also Kawhi started off the season being the last starter to sub out but that hasn't been the case for like the last two weeks.
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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FkLA
lol at Chinook wanting Kawhi to stand in the corner in favor of an Enrique-centered offense
Also Kawhi started off the season being the last starter to sub out but that hasn't been the case for like the last two weeks.
When we are blowing out teams early like ATL, Milwaukee and 76ers, for sure Pop is going to give a chance to the subs. It has actually given Pop a chance to see more of Simmons, Anderson and some Boban and Ray sprinkled in.
I am actually glad that we have been able to afford seeing more of these guys, bc as it was with the super tight 8 man rotation we started we were not going to survive the full season. We have too many older dudes and can fall to attrition later in the season, and yet Pop was not confident and didn't have trust in any of these guys... and may still not have trust as a matter of fact. However the fact some of them have consistently had eye opening good games is a good thing.
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Are these player fans still whining about games being played in December and shit? So beta
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
When we are blowing out teams early like ATL, Milwaukee and 76ers, for sure Pop is going to give a chance to the subs. It has actually given Pop a chance to see more of Simmons, Anderson and some Boban and Ray sprinkled in.
I am actually glad that we have been able to afford seeing more of these guys, bc as it was with the super tight 8 man rotation we started we were not going to survive the full season. We have too many older dudes and can fall to attrition later in the season, and yet Pop was not confident and didn't have trust in any of these guys... and may still not have trust as a matter of fact. However the fact some of them have consistently had eye opening good games is a good thing.
Spot on
Re: Offense shifting away from Kawhi post-ups
Lol, people have completely failed the reading comprehension test that Chinook gave.
