Does the NBA need to change the rules for an even playing field, tbh?

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Originally Posted by SuperCam

this is almost as bad as the broncos are targeted by the refs take, tbh :lol

it's the same shot that's been available since they moved the line back twenty years ago, tbh. this wouldn't even be a thread if daniel green wasn't playing like a huge faggot his year. and never would have been posted when the spurs won 5 because they got hot from three for the playoffs :nope


spurstalk going to become more angsty when they realize supercurry and the lightskin nigga crew is going to keep tim in his last year from getting number 6..

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Huh? The point of this thread is that the Warriors have changed the landscape of the NBA, and they have been way too good for the rest of the NBA for the past year and a half..they are so good that the league might have to change the rules to make it fair for the rest of the league, I'm not complaining about them having an unfair advantage(I don't know how you came to that conclusion:lol), I'm giving them credit for being the best team I've ever seen..

I just realized who your main account is, though, can't believe it took me this long:lol..

Maybe a few years down the road, if this continues, but right now they're still a mostly unaccomplished playoff team.

Nothing will even be considered until ratings and interest in general begins to wane and that's bound to happen if this continues long enough.

An all time great team is good for the NBA. Look at the ratings from the bulls in the 90s. one player who is an anomaly surrounded by a stacked supporting cast that was kind of lucked in to. those ankles aren't gonna last for six titles though

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Huh? The point of this thread is that the Warriors have changed the landscape of the NBA, and they have been way too good for the rest of the NBA for the past year and a half..they are so good that the league might have to change the rules to make it fair for the rest of the league, I'm not complaining about them having an unfair advantage(I don't know how you came to that conclusion:lol), I'm giving them credit for being the best team I've ever seen..

I just realized who your main account is, though, can't believe it took me this long:lol..

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A lot of people here bitching about the Spurs' play and record, solely because the Warriors are undefeated. I thought that might have been part of what you were doing. Mis-read you, I guess.

Do you really think widening the court wouldn't destroy the game as we know it? I'm seriously asking your opinion. I think the unintended consequences of anything like that would be a disaster. I can't think of anything they could really do that wouldn't slow the game to a crawl, and run off lots of fans.

I think that a lot of people like seeing the Warriors pile up points. And most of the people who are worried are fans of the few team who might actually contend, otherwise. Which short of brings things full circle.

If they go off on the spurs, thunder and the cavs then I'll consider it.

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Originally Posted by GSH

A lot of people here bitching about the Spurs' play and record, solely because the Warriors are undefeated. I thought that might have been part of what you were doing. Mis-read you, I guess.

Do you really think widening the court wouldn't destroy the game as we know it? I'm seriously asking your opinion. I think the unintended consequences of anything like that would be a disaster. I can't think of anything they could really do that wouldn't slow the game to a crawl, and run off lots of fans.

I think that a lot of people like seeing the Warriors pile up points. And most of the people who are worried are fans of the few team who might actually contend, otherwise. Which short of brings things full circle.

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It depends on the target demographic, tbh..

As a younger man, I love watching the Warriors, although I dislike them as a team..I love 3-pointers, and I hate playing basketball without 2s on the street, but I do recognize that it's not a pure version of the game, as Pop said..

Most die-hard basketball fans over the age of 35 probably hate the Warriors style of play, at least from what I've heard from most old media and older fans..coaches hate it, former players hate it, etc, even if they find it somewhat entertaining..

The Warriors have maximized everything you can do with today's rules and court dimensions IMO..they are probably the best team we'll ever see..virtually the entire league is attempting to replicate them, but there has never been a player in league history like Steph Curry, and I can't remember a player like Draymond Green, either..

If they moved the 3pt line back, it would hurt 3pt shooting as a whole, but the elite shooters would be even better. It would hurt the Warriors even less than other teams because they have 2 elite 3pt shooters; and specifically Curry would be even more unstoppable. I know they rely on the 3 more than other teams, but this rule change might help the Warriors more than it hurt them (in relation to other teams).

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The Warriors have maximized everything you can do with today's rules and court dimensions IMO..they are probably the best team we'll ever see..virtually the entire league is attempting to replicate them, but there has never been a player in league history like Steph Curry, and I can't remember a player like Draymond Green, either..

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Maybe regular season team. But I don't get how a supposed Spurs fan, who watched this team put on an all-time playoff and especially Finals performance a whole one and a half years ago, can say a team with one gift wrapped championship to it's credit, is "probably the best team we'll ever see"? If they cap it with a historical playoff run, then fine, but right now, it's premature and disrespectful to historically great teams.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Maybe regular season team. But I don't get how a supposed Spurs fan, who watched this team put on an all-time playoff and especially Finals performance a whole one and a half years ago, can say a team with one gift wrapped championship to it's credit, is "probably the best team we'll ever see"? If they cap it with a historical playoff run, then fine, but right now, it's premature and disrespectful to historically great teams.

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The 2014 Spurs had the one of the best stretches of basketball I've ever seen, but they only did it for 17 games..the Warriors have been essentially doing that for 126 games, albeit mostly regular season, but it's not as if they weren't completely dominant in last year's playoffs, as well..

nah, that's communist. fuck communism

3 pt shots should not be worth 3. It makes for too many fouls called on 3 pt shots and potential 4 points play.

And for that matter, why should a foul on someone behind a line be worth more than any other foul on anyone else attempting the shot.

I would just nerf the 3 pt shot to equalize it with all other shots.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The 2014 Spurs had the one of the best stretches of basketball I've ever seen, but they only did it for 17 games..the Warriors have been essentially doing that for 126 games, albeit mostly regular season, but it's not as if they weren't completely dominant in last year's playoffs, as well..

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Fair enough, but they also had a lot of injuries, managed minutes to an unprecedented degree and clearly weren't consumed with making history or affirming their status. Also, that stretch came mostly against two historically great players, at the peak of their powers, in the Conference Finals and Finals.

:lol Last year's playoffs, where the Warriors became probably the first team in history to avoid playing a single other top five team (not counting the Cavs' skeleton crew) and faced nothing but injured (Holiday, Evans, Conley, Allen, Beverley, Motiejunas, Irving, Varejao), mediocre opponents, en route to a championship. Yeah, that was real impressive.

Records are meant to be broken. Warriors are having a historic run that any basketball fan should be enjoying. Every game is bigger and the team that knocks them off will be praised and the game will be broken down and overanaylzed to the point that people will say they have the blueprint to beat them.

Warriors will not end the season undefeated. Bogut has been surprisingly healthy and so has the entire team. Again, I hope they remain healthy all year. The only rule I would like to see changed is the playoff seeding. A Spurs/Warriors NBA Finals would be one for the ages.

Put a hand in the guy's face, get up on him more, make him drive to the basket. It goes on and on and on. MAN UP AND PLAY DEFENSE!

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It depends on the target demographic, tbh..

As a younger man, I love watching the Warriors, although I dislike them as a team..I love 3-pointers, and I hate playing basketball without 2s on the street, but I do recognize that it's not a pure version of the game, as Pop said..

Most die-hard basketball fans over the age of 35 probably hate the Warriors style of play, at least from what I've heard from most old media and older fans..coaches hate it, former players hate it, etc, even if they find it somewhat entertaining..

The Warriors have maximized everything you can do with today's rules and court dimensions IMO..they are probably the best team we'll ever see..virtually the entire league is attempting to replicate them, but there has never been a player in league history like Steph Curry, and I can't remember a player like Draymond Green, either..

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Well that's damned well said.

I think they could help the balance of the game if they would clean up two things. First, all the contact off the ball in the paint. They let the bigs wrestle like an MMA match, position means nothing, and it has made the dominant big almost a thing of the past. Second, they also need to tighten up the travelling (and double-dribble) calls. A lot of the drive-and-kick that is getting these wide open 3's wouldn't be possible if they weren't allowed to carry the ball. Some of those cuts just aren't possible without it.

Years ago, when Tim was the dominant player in the league, teams started talking about "denying him the ball". Which, translated, meant beating the shit out of him off the ball, because they found out the refs just wouldn't call it. Now it's just a constant wrestling match in the paint. Not just for time, but for everyone. If you want to look at something that has distorted basketball, that's a good place to start.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Huh? 1.)The point of this thread is that the Warriors have changed the landscape of the NBA, and they have been way too good for the rest of the NBA for the past year and a half..they are so good that the league might have to change the rules to make it fair for the rest of the league,2.) I'm not complaining about them having an unfair advantage(I don't know how you came to that conclusion:lol), I'm giving them credit for being the best team I've ever seen..
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Sounds like a complaint to me. The Spurs set up the blueprint from 2012-14 and the Warriors mastered it to a tee. I don't recall you saying the league should make changes in 2014 when you said that you've never seen a team [Spurs] this good in all my years of watching NBA ball. That took all of one year to be topped :lol. Also, based on any advanced metric, you said this was the deepest title team in NBA history, doing something that has never been done before, win by utilizing depth, rather than star power. Granted, Curry is a star but, they still have an unbelievably productive supporting cast. Let's go through the checklist together....

3 great passing bigs/ Soft Check
GOAT coach/ Check
Parker and Ginobili to run pick&roll/ Curry, Iggy/ Check
2 great wing defenders that can shoot 3s/ Check
3 capable wing, ISO scorers/ Check
A ton of shooters/ Check
A great all-around defensive big and a great rim protecting big/ Check
Capable of playing both defensive grind basketball or run&gun offensive ball/ Check

You can't ask for the league to make changes because the Warriors are playing Spurs basketball better than the Spurs :lol. Besides, it's not up to the Warriors to adjust to the league, it's up to the league to adjust to the Warriors. The league is also suffering from mediocrity at the moment. Spurs aren't quite as good as their record would indicate; OKC's been very inconsistent; Clippers and Rockets have struggled; Memphis and Dallas are average; East is suprisingly better than the West, though not by much. It's easy to look this good when you're the only elite team in the league:lol.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The NBA has a precedent for changing rules to even the playing field when there's a completely dominant force in the league IIRC..

Wilt Chamberlain's dominance of the league forced them to widen the lane from 12 feet to 16 feet, because his presence was "unfair" for the competition IIRC..

The Warriors have maximized the value of 3-point shooting, to the point where they are virtually unstoppable and unbeatable, tbh..is it time for the NBA to widen the entire court and change the distance of the 3-point lines? This would open up more lanes for driving and attacking the rim, etc..

They have completely changed the concept of basketball, as Pop said yesterday..

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What did Pop say exactly? And why was he talking about the Warriors yesterday?

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Sounds like a complaint to me. The Spurs set up the blueprint from 2012-14 and the Warriors mastered it to a tee. I don't recall you saying the league should make changes in 2014 when you said that you've never seen a team [Spurs] this good in all my years of watching NBA ball. That took all of one year to be topped :lol. Also, based on any advanced metric, you said this was the deepest title team in NBA history, doing something that has never been done before, win by utilizing depth, rather than star power. Granted, Curry is a star but, they still have an unbelievably productive supporting cast. Let's go through the checklist together....

3 great passing bigs/ Soft Check
GOAT coach/ Check
Parker and Ginobili to run pick&roll/ Curry, Iggy/ Check
2 great wing defenders that can shoot 3s/ Check
3 capable wing, ISO scorers/ Check
A ton of shooters/ Check
A great all-around defensive big and a great rim protecting big/ Check
Capable of playing both defensive grind basketball or run&gun offensive ball/ Check

You can't ask for the league to make changes because the Warriors are playing Spurs basketball better than the Spurs :lol. Besides, it's not up to the Warriors to adjust to the league, it's up to the league to adjust to the Warriors. The league is also suffering from mediocrity at the moment. Spurs aren't quite as good as their record would indicate; OKC's been very inconsistent; Clippers and Rockets have struggled; Memphis and Dallas are average; East is suprisingly better than the West, though not by much. It's easy to look this good when you're the only elite team in the league:lol.

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I didn't make a statement or give a final opinion, I asked a question that was on ESPN radio yesterday, it's not just me thinking about it:lol

And yes, the Spurs were the deepest team to win a title in league history, and still the most unconventional, since they had a historically dominant offensive run without a star..the Warriors are deep, too, but it's a pretty silly comparison when they have one of the 2 best PGs of all-time and the best guard since Jordan playing in his prime:lol..Klay Thompson was mostly a non-factor in the playoffs outside of a few games, yet they still completely dominated, I can only imagine what they do if he actually shows up for this year's run, for example, it will be ugly for the rest of the L..

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Originally Posted by Ice009

What did Pop say exactly? And why was he talking about the Warriors yesterday?

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He said something he has said in the past, which is that he hates the 3-point shot and that it cheapens basketball..

Haven't heard a good explanation yet for why the 3 point shot isn't real basketball by these old timers. FFS dribbling was an added rule at one point too :lol

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Originally Posted by SuperCam

Haven't heard a good explanation yet for why the 3 point shot isn't real basketball by these old timers. FFS dribbling was an added rule at one point too :lol

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Today's basketball is levels more entertaining than the hideous 90s ball, and the White American 80s ball:lol..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I didn't make a statement or give a final opinion, I asked a question that was on ESPN radio yesterday, it's not just me thinking about it:lol

And yes, the Spurs were the deepest team to win a title in league history, and still the most unconventional, since they had a historically dominant offensive run without a star..the Warriors are deep, too, but it's a pretty silly comparison when they have one of the 2 best PGs of all-time and the best guard since Jordan playing in his prime:lol..Klay Thompson was mostly a non-factor in the playoffs outside of a few games, yet they still completely dominated, I can only imagine what they do if he actually shows up for this year's run, for example, it will be ugly for the rest of the L..

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Did you mean popular stars? Both Leonard and Duncan, though not Curry historical greatness level :lol, are still stars and the Spurs would have been hard pressed to win a championship without their production. . Simple question for you Harlem... Would the 2013-14 Spurs be able to beat the 2015-16 Warriors?

Hand checking.

I don't think the league should jump in with rule changes, although I like some of the proposed ones about helping out the post play a bit more, it's kinda dumb that you can push and hold a big but you can't even touch a shooter/penetrator.

The Warriors will eventually be figured out by the other teams. In this highly analytical era where everyone pays attention to the smallest of details playing a certain way will not last for as long, as it has been possible in the past. It's all about being able to change and evolve because of this. Look at Milwaukee and Utah from last season, for example - it took only half a season before other teams figured them out. The Spurs knew exactly what to do against the Heat in 2014, who were also dominant and Spurs didn't even have an elite player at the time. There's too much data and too many people looking at it, drawing conclusions and trying things now. Someone will come up with a formula to stop the Warriors and then they'd have to make changes. If they can sustain this and continue winning, then more power to them.

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Originally Posted by Budkin

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