NBA.Com Ranks players 33 and older - Tony, Manu in the Top Ten. No Timmy!!!

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/12/19/o..._page:trending


The NBA.Com has an "Old School" Power Rankings which ranks players 33 and older. In the latest Top Ten you've got Tony and Manu, but no Timmy.....:( This is made worse by Kobe being ranked fairly high (4).

No Duncan? Blasphemy! Gotta think it was because Timmy rested a game last week (and this ranking is weighted towards recent production), and/or because he's not asked to score much anymore.

Still...:ihit

Probably due to his pedestrian stat line this season, although it's due to us not needing him to score or play as much. But whatever, Timmy doesn't care. All bout winning #6.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/12/19/o..._page:trending


The NBA.Com has an "Old School" Power Rankings which ranks players 33 and older. In the latest Top Ten you've got Tony and Manu, but no Timmy.....:( This is made worse by Kobe being ranked fairly high (4).

No Duncan? Blasphemy! Gotta think it was because Timmy rested a game last week (and this ranking is weighted towards recent production), and/or because he's not asked to score much anymore.

Still...:ihit

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Agreed. I don't care what the reason is, and I don't care whether or not Tim cares...it is just wrong and confirms the bias in over-reliance on stats.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

Agreed. I don't care what the reason is, and I don't care whether or not Tim cares...it is just wrong and confirms the bias in over-reliance on stats.

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This. How many GM's would take this season's Kobe over this season's Duncan? Very few, I'd imagine.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

This. How many GM's would take this season's Kobe over this season's Duncan? Very few, I'd imagine.

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no shit.

It's probably just a ploy to gain readership. That list got more clicks because of Duncan's exclusion than it ever would have gotten.

Mission accomplished for the writer.

:lol Can't help putting Kobe over Tim one last time.

Just saw the Kobe dunk for the first time. You'd think it was Ginobili-over-Bosh the way it's been hyped.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

It's probably just a ploy to gain readership. That list got more clicks because of Duncan's exclusion than it ever would have gotten.

Mission accomplished for the writer.

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its the rankings for last week ... raw stats were not impressive and Timmy sat out a game ... so its understandable

:lol fireball dropping a bucket of cold water in the fire

Tim's still a piece we can't win without (has been for many years). Still doesn't make him better than Tony at this point, no shame in it.

Pop should take a game to experiment with higher usage of Timmy to see what he has in him this season offensively..Still, I'm not worried TD always takes it up a notch in the playoffs and this preservation plan should help ..

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

It's probably just a ploy to gain readership. That list got more clicks because of Duncan's exclusion than it ever would have gotten.

Mission accomplished for the writer.

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Of course, you'd have to actually click on the article to see Duncan wasn't included so I'm guessing probably not.

His traditional stat line of points & rebounds per game looks pedestrian, but he still has the highest Defensive Rating in the entire NBA (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM). I don't view that stat as infallible, but it's still pretty impressive that Tim leads by a pretty significant margin...

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Originally Posted by Fireball

its the rankings for last week ... raw stats were not impressive and Timmy sat out a game ... so its understandable

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Yeah, but it says this at the top of the article:

• Notes: Statistics are through games of Dec. 17. Rankings are based on entire regular season with heavy emphasis on recent play.
• Any player who turns 33 during the regular season can be added to the Old School Power Rankings

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Originally Posted by Mr Bones

His traditional stat line of points & rebounds per game looks pedestrian, but he still has the highest Defensive Rating in the entire NBA (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM). I don't view that stat as infallible, but it's still pretty impressive that Tim leads by a pretty significant margin...

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39 years old leading the league in DRPM and DBPM, he's the Greatest Of All Time. :flag:

Meh, let the Lakers fans have this one. They have so little in this holiday season.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Meh, let the Lakers fans have this one. They have so little in this holiday season.

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:bobo:lol

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Originally Posted by Mr Bones

Yeah, but it says this at the top of the article:

• Notes: Statistics are through games of Dec. 17. Rankings are based on entire regular season with heavy emphasis on recent play.
• Any player who turns 33 during the regular season can be added to the Old School Power Rankings

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hmmm ... then these rankings are INACCEPTABLE!!! :pctoss

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Originally Posted by Fireball

hmmm ... then these rankings are INACCEPTABLE!!! :pctoss

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:lol

Kobe was shooting 32 FG last I checked. Maybe, it's ticked up a few points; but putting him over anyone is highly suspicious.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

This. How many GM's would take this season's Kobe over this season's Duncan? Very few, I'd imagine.

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Whoever they are, Jimmer's agent needs to get on the horn with them, stat!

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Originally Posted by BillMc

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/12/19/o..._page:trending


The NBA.Com has an "Old School" Power Rankings which ranks players 33 and older. In the latest Top Ten you've got Tony and Manu, but no Timmy.....:( This is made worse by Kobe being ranked fairly high (4).

No Duncan? Blasphemy! Gotta think it was because Timmy rested a game last week (and this ranking is weighted towards recent production), and/or because he's not asked to score much anymore.

Still...:ihit

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For the record, I had nothing to do with these!
:bobo

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

For the record, I had nothing to do with these!
:bobo

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:lol That's a relief off my mind.

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

For the record, I had nothing to do with these!
:bobo

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Of course, you'd have to actually click on the article to see Duncan wasn't included so I'm guessing probably not.

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Except that someone clicked on the article, noticed Duncan's omission, made a deal about it, and fans are now aware of the omission (and many have probably clicked through to see if there's some explanation). And it may draw some additional traffic on its next publication from those who are up in arms (or even amusedly surprised) at who wasn't on the list.

So, I'd be pretty confident that a list that most nobody had heard of a week ago has seen/will see a spike in traffic owing to the reaction from stories like the one that began this thread.

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

Tim's still a piece we can't win without (has been for many years). Still doesn't make him better than Tony at this point, no shame in it.

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2015-16 RPM: Duncan is 9th in the league with a 5.69, Parker is 64th with a 1.55

On/Off: Duncan leads Spurs starters with a +7.4, Parker is at a -1.4

Duncan/Parker split most box-score derived metrics this season (Parker is better in PER and WS, Duncan is better in Box +/- and WS/48).

And those box score stats don't take into account Duncan's defense or the fact that he is our leader.

Tony's comeback has been awesome. But you're lying to yourself if you think Parker is gonna be more valuable than Tim in a Playoff series, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Of course, you'd have to actually click on the article to see Duncan wasn't included so I'm guessing probably not.

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LOL! Oops.

It's pretty clear the NBA now caters to Chinese fans more so than those in the States

Scola's on the list . . . :bobo

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Originally Posted by EVAY

Agreed. I don't care what the reason is, and I don't care whether or not Tim cares...it is just wrong and confirms the bias in over-reliance on stats.

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Well how else do you expect writers to form those opinions? If rankings weren't based on stats, it would all be conjecture and would be pointless.

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Of course, you'd have to actually click on the article to see Duncan wasn't included so I'm guessing probably not.

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Faulty reasoning easily debunked by videos that get millions of views. People aren't just browsing. Besides, these change weekly.

This is probably the only week where Kobe has played decent.

Every other week Kobe would get WC player of the week if he sat on the bench.

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Originally Posted by T_L_P

2015-16 RPM: Duncan is 9th in the league with a 5.69, Parker is 64th with a 1.55

On/Off: Duncan leads Spurs starters with a +7.4, Parker is at a -1.4

Duncan/Parker split most box-score derived metrics this season (Parker is better in PER and WS, Duncan is better in Box +/- and WS/48).

And those box score stats don't take into account Duncan's defense or the fact that he is our leader.

Tony's comeback has been awesome. But you're lying to yourself if you think Parker is gonna be more valuable than Tim in a Playoff series, tbh.

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First of all, Duncan's not better in WS/48:

Parker: .228
Duncan: .197

Parker also has a better TS%:

Parker: .607
Duncan: .566

This is why I don't love getting into too many advanced metrics. There's too much overlap and people use like 3 or 4 selective ones to prove their points, while excluding 3 or 4 others that don't support their argument. The more advanced metrics you start throwing around, the easier it is to argue anything.

Fuckers!! Oh well in a few months they can rank players 40 years and over and we'll see who comes out on top then! Geez just reading that I can't believe how fucken good Duncan is approaching 40! Wow!

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Originally Posted by DMC

Well how else do you expect writers to form those opinions? If rankings weren't based on stats, it would all be conjecture and would be pointless.

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I don't honestly 'expect' sports writers to do much of anything. But given the importance of Tim's contribution to this team, not always reflected in stats, I would think it possible that a thoughtful, unbiased observer of NBA team members over the age of 33 would recognize that Duncan is clearly one of the top ten.

It would not be conjecture. It would not be pointless.

It would be accurate.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

I don't honestly 'expect' sports writers to do much of anything. But given the importance of Tim's contribution to this team, not always reflected in stats, I would think it possible that a thoughtful, unbiased observer of NBA team members over the age of 33 would recognize that Duncan is clearly one of the top ten.

It would not be conjecture. It would not be pointless.

It would be accurate.

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The only way that could happen would be for them to write an article about it, and unless their readers also love Tim Duncan and followed his every career move, he'll have to use stats to support his position.

They are holding out Tim for the 43 and older list.

It's understandable it's based off every weeks and this week Tim sat out a game and averaged 8-5-2