Kawhi All-Spur Ranking...

lol old fucks focusing on stats alone, might as well put Drob over everyone then

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

It always comes off as knocking someone when you rank them below someone else, but based on how long TP/Manu have remained great, the teams success (including championships, 50 win seasons, and personal awards) I can't place Gervin over TP/Manu.

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Parker and Ginobili have never made 1st team all-NBA. Gervin did it five times.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

Parker and Ginobili have never made 1st team all-NBA. Gervin did it five times.

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You are wasting your breath on guys who apparently never saw Ice play. But welcome to the Iceman Revival Wagon!

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

I actually think we are already there. I think it's just harder to see, because we're not finished yet.

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Bullshit. We need at least 3-5 more rings. And im sure Kawhi can get us there.

The crazy thing is that Kawhi keeps getting better! Its difficult to project his success without establishing his ceiling. You have to think with a good front office and LMA that he'll secure at least 2 'ships over the course of his long career. That would place him squarely at #2 Spur All-Time. Add a couple DPOYs, maybe a lifetime MVP award, he could potentially tuck himself underneath Bird on the All-time list.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

Parker and Ginobili have never made 1st team all-NBA. Gervin did it five times.

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Sure. Parker & Ginobili won multiple titles, been a part of how many 50 win seasons and done it in what appears to be the most competitive conference of all time.

Also, please understand I'm not arguing that if you have Gervin ahead of TP/Manu that it's some travesty. I can see why people would hold that opinion. I just give the nod to TP/Manu because of the winning they have done, not because in a bubble they were better players.

I also think that if you make an "all-Spur list/ranking", winning should be the main basis. This is not simply the best spurs players ever list, it' the "best spurs" so you'd have to take into consideration big time what they have done to the spurs team and not simply individual awards. But hey, focus on stats alone if it fits your argument.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Plus, dat Gervin defense...I don't think anyone is saying Gervin wasn't a gifted scorer. But when you factor in all around game, the level of sustained success and what they have meant to the city, I can't do it. He was great for SA, a gifted scorer but he's number 4 for me with a chance to fall to 5 if Kawhi keeps it up.

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Gervin had the body of a great defender. He was the best shot-blocking guard of all time. He didn't have Pop to coach him like Parker and Ginobili.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

Gervin had the body of a great defender. He was the best shot-blocking guard of all time. He didn't have Pop to coach him like Parker and Ginobili.

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He's also the only guard besides Jordan to average 30 & shoot 50% from the field more than once since the 3 point line was instituted. Durant (plays like a guard) did it in his MVP season & Curry might do it this season.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

Gervin is a way better player than Parker or Ginobili. He just didn't have David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Greg Popovich on his side:

* 12-time all-star
* 5-time 1st-team all-NBA
* leading scorer/game in playoffs 6 times including 5 in a row in NBA.

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Durant is the modern day version of George Gervin.