African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

The new testament is the core of your moral system. Jesus commented a great deal as to what to do or not to do. Why should slavery be any different?

Does the new testament, or the old testament say slavery is inherently evil or wrong?

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Unfortunately not everything JESUS said was written down.

John 21:25 "25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

So if I practice the following two clauses as taught by JESUS:

"LOVE thy neighbor as thyself."

"Treat others in the manner that you want to be treated."

Now tell me how that behavior endorses me being a slave owner. It doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Blake

No, I asked you a serious logical question. If the molecules requires a designer as you say, then who created God molecules

Or is this one of those gentleman agreement things you made up where God doesn't adhere to his own rules

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GOD is not bound to the natural laws. He doesn't need to be created.

Everything else is bound to natural laws. Therefore, it needs to be created.

Where else in our universe does something pop out of nothingness? No where. It is a verifiable concept anywhere and anytime. Even at the subatomic or quantic level (for example micro-black holes pop in and out of existence theoretically), but even they draw on the energy that exists in the vacuum of space --> so technically they don't pop out of 'nothing' something else is there (be it energy or other particles).

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Originally Posted by Blake

No, I asked you a serious logical question. If the molecules requires a designer as you say, then who created God molecules

Or is this one of those gentleman agreement things you made up where God doesn't adhere to his own rules

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And you keep failing to understand why I referenced "a gentlemen's agreement" in the first place.

GOD is all knowing.

and GOD gifting man choice

ARE not mutually exclusive statements. In your finite mind they are but they aren't.

If GOD knows every permutation about any decision anyone makes HE is still Omniscient. The choice is still ours. We decide.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

It's not picking and choosing.

It's an understanding of the context.

Prior to the 19th amendment women couldn't vote. Afterwards they could.

If you said that women today were bound to the original language of the constitution then they wouldn't be allowed to vote.

The 19th amendment allows them to.

LIKEWISE, the New Covenant supplants many things from the Old Covenant because it is a major amendment.

Have you found new evidence that supports your premise that Constantine reinvented Christianity...?

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So you're saying God realized that slavery was wrong and amended it.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

And like the coward you are, you probably never did. Am I right?

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ok...fine. are there any specific pentagram dimensions?

draw this pentagram with what?

should i cut off someones head and use their skull as an inkwell?

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

And you keep failing to understand why I referenced "a gentlemen's agreement" in the first place.

GOD is all knowing.

and GOD gifting man choice

ARE not mutually exclusive statements. In your finite mind they are but they aren't.

If GOD knows every permutation about any decision anyone makes HE is still Omniscient. The choice is still ours. We decide.

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Except if he blocks himself from knowing something he is no longer omniscient. You can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

GOD is not bound to the natural laws. He doesn't need to be created.

Everything else is bound to natural laws. Therefore, it needs to be created.

Where else in our universe does something pop out of nothingness? No where. It is a verifiable concept anywhere and anytime. Even at the subatomic or quantic level (for example micro-black holes pop in and out of existence theoretically), but even they draw on the energy that exists in the vacuum of space --> so technically they don't pop out of 'nothing' something else is there (be it energy or other particles).

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Where else in our universe exists a being that has always existed?

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Unfortunately not everything JESUS said was written down.

John 21:25 "25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

So if I practice the following two clauses as taught by JESUS:

"LOVE thy neighbor as thyself."

"Treat others in the manner that you want to be treated."

Now tell me how that behavior endorses me being a slave owner. It doesn't.

NOW show me how modern-day slavery, and all of its abuses are inclusive of both of those statements.

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I don't really care about your personal interpretation of other verses that don't deal specifically with slavery. There are so many interpretations out there. That is a human construct.

I want to read it myself to see the Word of God.

Show me where God decided "slavery is evil" was as important as "mixed fabrics is bad". I'm sure Jesus thought not being evil was important. He talked about all sorts of things required to be a righteous person.

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Originally Posted by Jesus NIV

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Jesus wants all those old testament laws in place.

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Given: Slavery is evil. I assume we can all agree on that much, at least.

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Originally Posted by clambake

ok...fine. are there any specific pentagram dimensions?

draw this pentagram with what?

should i cut off someones head and use their skull as an inkwell?

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Only if the room suddenly drops in temperature 30 degrees

What day exactly did the newcovenant take place over the old one?

Serious question

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

GOD is not bound to the natural laws. He doesn't need to be created.

Everything else is bound to natural laws. Therefore, it needs to be created.

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Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception. [1][2]

The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight (e.g., a reference to common sense) or an application of a double standard.

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unexplained claims of exemption from principles commonly thought relevant to the subject matter

Example: I'm not relying on faith in small probabilities here. These are slot machines, not roulette wheels. They are different.
claims to data that are inherently unverifiable, perhaps because too remote or impossible to define clearly

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a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive.

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Originally Posted by Blake

So you're saying God realized that slavery was wrong and amended it.

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GOD created Adam and it was PERFECT.

Sin entered the world and corrupted creation. Sin amended GOD's creation.

GOD wove the fabric of a Covenant with Abraham.

GOD then sealed the Covenant through JESUS CHRIST. JESUS was very much needed because the old covenant would have condemned us all.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Except if he blocks himself from knowing something he is no longer omniscient. You can't have it both ways.

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How is knowing every possible permutation an infringement of His omniscience.

As it pertains to our eternal destination, why do you think the "Book of Life" exists...? Why do you think it is sealed?

Again you want to draw you framework outside of the context of Scriptures and then criticize your strawman.

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Originally Posted by Blake

What day exactly did the newcovenant take place over the old one?

Serious question

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The crucifixion/resurrection was an event that covers Adam --> the last man on earth. IT was a redemptive act for all time. The Book of Hebrews covers that issue.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

GOD created Adam and it was PERFECT.

Sin entered the world and corrupted creation. Sin amended GOD's creation.

GOD wove the fabric of a Covenant with Abraham.

GOD then sealed the Covenant through JESUS CHRIST. JESUS was very much needed because the old covenant would have condemned us all.

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GOD chose to create a universe that could be corrupted by sin? God's choice, if one assumes he had a choice. Maybe he didn't? Which is it?

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

LOL

The thing is you think I don't understand any of your statements. The truth is my thesis dissertation for my degree in Physics was applying Lorentz transformations to several mathematical constructs taking a Euclidean approach to quantum gravity.

The problem is that nothing you've stated is relevant to the origins paradoxes. The amount of energy involved (inherently all the mass) blows up most equations. All of those equations are asymptotic by definition.

Again.

Prior to t=0, nothing existed.

After t=0, everything existed.

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Claiming unprovable degrees and whatnot is a waste of time. I don't believe you are who you say you are. You've shown no aptitude in this regard at all with your simpleton topologies.

Fact is that we have no idea what happened then and your wishful thinking for first cause doesn't change that. Just because you see time =0 doesn't mean that there isn't a time = -1 or t = i.

Your limitations are glaring.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

I don't really care about your personal interpretation of other verses that don't deal specifically with slavery. There are so many interpretations out there. That is a human construct.

I want to read it myself to see the Word of God.

Show me where God decided "slavery is evil" was as important as "mixed fabrics is bad". I'm sure Jesus thought not being evil was important. He talked about all sorts of things required to be a righteous person.

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JESUS never talked about pornography.

And yet He said, "anyone who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery." Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse pornography.

JESUS never talked about the IRS.

And yet He said, "render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to GOD what is GOD's." [when asked about taxes] Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse tax evasion (evasion of responsibility).

JESUS never talked about racism.

And yet the Gospel gives three examples where Samaritans (people the Jewish nation treated like dogs) were the 'hero' of a parable. Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse the poor treatment of others (despite their 'nationality'/'ethnicity').

JESUS never talked about sexism.

And yet JESUS was always talking with women, and some women even fiscally supported His ministry (despite the objections from his disciples). Context is provided to suggest He doesn't endorse the subjugation of women.

Unfortunately JESUS isn't recorded explicitly addressing the social political caste systems in place at the time of his ministry.

Your assumption THEN that He didn't explicitly address slavery is moot. To me more than enough context is provided to suggest it isn't endorsed.

You quoting cut and paste objections from other websites doesn't change anything because (of course) the context of the Covenants are fully ignored.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus wants all those old testament laws in place.

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Given: Slavery is evil. I assume we can all agree on that much, at least.

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I've told you this before.

Sin (as revealed by the law) will definitely condemn anyone who isn't covered by JESUS' grace. The law must therefore exist for judgment to be enacted.

Jesus summarized ALL the laws of the OT with:

1) Love the LORD GOD with all your heart, soul and mind.

2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Laws of goats or fabric are irrelevant (where not applicable) as they were unique to the Hebrew nation. The New Covenant supplants them (kind of like Federal Laws superseding City Laws). Unless you want to be dense for the sake of being dense.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Claiming unprovable degrees and whatnot is a waste of time. I don't believe you are who you say you are. You've shown no aptitude in this regard at all with your simpleton topologies.

Fact is that we have no idea what happened then and your wishful thinking for first cause doesn't change that. Just because you see time =0 doesn't mean that there isn't a time = -1 or t = i.

Your limitations are glaring.

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If you want to work with t=i go right ahead... :lmao :lmao It just proves the relentlessness with which you run away from the ramifications of the origins paradox. There's a reason why I didn't include you in the list of the 'official position' creed I attempted to write above. Because you of all people still press to try and suggest that denying GOD's existence is supported by your particular brand of science...

BTW people have evaluated t=-1 (or t<0) when suggesting the 'big crunch'. Unfortunately the expansion of our universe is accelerating away from the 'big bang epicenter' leaving no room for belief in a cyclical big bang --> big crunch never-ending series.

And I don't care if you believe my academic acumen or not. No matter what I believe, your inference of my intellectual capabilities is already set by your exclusivity of divine belief... e.g. your belief that somehow my belief in GOD makes me "stupid and ignorant". That sort of irrationality is foolish. Science isn't equipped to answer everything.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

GOD chose to create a universe that could be corrupted by sin? God's choice, if one assumes he had a choice. Maybe he didn't? Which is it?

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The risk of gifting man free-will was that sin would corrupt mankind.

The risk of not gifting man free-will was that sin would never be defeated.

JESUS defeated sin by becoming human Himself and subjecting Himself to all the temptations, sufferings and fragilities of our corporal form. If humanity had never been gifted free-will, this outcome would not be possible.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Where else in our universe exists a being that has always existed?

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He transcends our universe. You keep wanting to tie GOD down to the laws that govern our natural universe. He is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

GOD created Adam and it was PERFECT.

Sin entered the world and corrupted creation. Sin amended GOD's creation.

GOD wove the fabric of a Covenant with Abraham.

GOD then sealed the Covenant through JESUS CHRIST. JESUS was very much needed because the old covenant would have condemned us all.

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But God okay ed slavery

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

He transcends our universe. You keep wanting to tie GOD down to the laws that govern our natural universe. He is Supernatural and supersedes the natural realm.

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Oh. So does Santa Claus.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Oh. So does Santa Claus.

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ummmmm ok...

I didn't realize Santa Claus was credited with the creation of the universe.

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Originally Posted by Blake

But God okay ed slavery

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He also relented and gave Israel an earthly king. He didn't want to. The people wanted it.