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Honestly they're in a tough situation
Gasol about to opt out and likely gone. Noah is 30 y/o, has showed signs to be declining and wants his last fat big contract. Gibson never really had the chance to be a starting PF in CHI but he is already 30 y/o.
Not really sure if there's something they could do to compete with the Cavs as long as they have that albatross contract of D-Rose.
No one we would want to trade for these guys would match cap numbers.
Gasol at $7.5M is pretty good value for a win-now team.Quote:
Originally Posted by steeledl
Edit: you said "we"'as in the Spurs. I mistook your post as saying that nobody would be willing to trade for one of those three at their cap numbers. Noah would be a salary dump if nothing else.
Dallas should really make a move for Gasol to at least give Nowitzki the best shot for post season. Pachulia + Powell should be enough for that trade.
Did you read the article? They are looking for wings tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Their interior defense would be nonexistent in that scenario tbh. Gasolin Dallas would be a nightmare though provided they got someone to defend the paint at some point; would propel them to a dark horse contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Dallas ready to give up on Parsons? They can shed his deal and Noah coming off the bench and finishing games with Dirk would be pretty fucking scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ndunyep
:lol they were ready to give up on him when he signed that contract. Cuban only offered it to try to fuck over Morey. If they flipped Parsons and spare parts for Noah and Gasol (and found an above average defensive wing) I'd shit my pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Somebody bump that 100+ page Gasol thread. :lol
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Would be awesome for Mavs if they pulled that off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
As for the Bulls, Parsons is a white Dunleavy that can sometimes put it on the floor.
Bonmer for Gasol.
McBuckets is better than Dunleavy & Parson isn't going to move the needle. They should have jumped on Batum or Lamb over the summer considering they were given away for peanuts. They should inquiring about Markieff Morris who is basically being dangled for any takers (Taj work), they would have to start McBuckets at the wing & become an all-out offensive juggernut.Quote:
Originally Posted by gospursgojas
An interesting trade would be shipping out Rose (Eric Gordon was his AAU teammate & Davis is from Chicago) for Tyreke/Jrue Holiday (Jrue starts at PG/Tyreke plays 6th man while McBuckets starts) since both teams have nothing to lose if it doesn't workout (all of them have 2 yrs remaining on their deals): http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jgfb7yw
Who the hell is going to start at the wing for the Mavs? JJ Barea:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Not straight up 2 teams deal i mean, i think Utah & Minnesota have some up & coming perimeter players and they might be open for a trade, especially if given incentive like a pick or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
The Spurs are too stacked at the 4/5 to make much use of a Gasol rental and Noah's career is in free fall. Gibson is a nice player but Diaw just makes so many great plays I can't envision giving Gibson his minutes.
We could offer Bonner, Mccallum, and West for him.
Just for shits and giggles, I pulled off a successful 3 team trade via espn's trade machine with the Bulls, Hawks and Spurs where we get Sefolosha and Tavares, Hawks get Gasol, Kyle Anderson, and Rasual Butler (this would only work after the 27th), and the Bulls get Bazemore, then Boban and McCallum. We'd get a decent and young big with upside along with another wing with length who can defend and we can throw at the Dubs. The Hawks get a reliable big who isn't fragile like Tiago, a young wing who Bud can groom into their Diaw and a vet wing who knows the system. The Bulls get a solid wing they've been looking for, a giant freak of nature, and another pg they can use when Rose breaks down again. Humor me with this for a bit...
Joakim Noah is a large expiring contract ($11.3 mil) ... Spurs could trade Green and Anderson for him and have that money next summer to sign a quality player. Do it Mitch
Don't see how anyone has the time to do pointless shit like that :lol
Parsons has been coming off the bench. Mavs have been running three guards with Williams/Felton/Matthews pretty much all season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Lol, it only took 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by lil'mo
who are the bulls targeting?
Spurs are already stacked in the bigs department with 4 quality guys in Duncan/LMA/Diaw/West. Really no point in going after any other bigs, especially if it involves giving up a valuable asset (which would likely be the case).
Trying to win a championship with Kyle Anderson or Jonathon fucking Simmons as your starting SG or playing Manu 35MPG and ending up with no SG :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Holy shit that's fucking stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Correct, they could not even beat the Cavs with a few stars out last year so that team as is is NEVER going to beat an LBJ lead team, period. They are in a tough situation as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemento
Are you retarded? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
I think Gibson would fit in nicely, but as mentioned earlier we simply don't have room for Noah or Gasol imo
Please no, Anderson stays here come hell or highwaterQuote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
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Originally Posted by Mr. Body
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Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
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Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
The Spurs are not trading for any of these guys. They're rolling with what they've got, and that's a good thing, as there is no realistic scenario in which we improve our team in a trade with Chicago. We have the 2nd best team in the league right now and we still haven't even fully gelled on offense. The Mavs and a Wiz are probably the most likely "contending" trading partners if it's going to happen.
The only position I could see the Spurs filling now is an upgrade at back up PG or a ball handling combo guard.
This. The Spurs are rolling with what they got and the current team can be pretty historic. A trade would only make sense if we started out like the 2013 Lakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
I'm pretty sure that is going to cut it in the playoffs.:lol Parsons has been coming off the bench b/c of rehab/minute restriction. Basically, Carlisle wants him to finish the game rather than FelOn:lol. Their record doesn't standout in a mediocre bottom 4 western conference for a reason (Hint: it's not b/c of their center play).Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
the penalty for this suggestion is that Matty B. plays 15min on average the next ten games ...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Okay.... Gasol and Noah for Aldridge.
Apparently it does:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hsurn44
+3 wins for Spurs.
Looks like it'll burn Spurs future after 2016-17. However, do Spurs really have a future with Aldridge?
Spurs dump Noah and pick up Serge Ibaka.
If they're both expiring, could that make us a player in the Durant sweepstakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Not a guru, but if Gasol can get dumped then YES.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
I say, go for it! Aldridge is looking pretty one dimensional these days and Gasol isn't that bad a replacement short term.
Wonder if that would give us enough room (after the cap increase) to be serious players for Durant in the offseason?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
- Duncan (if he stays one more year) / Boban / vet
- Aldridge/Diaw/West (?)
- Durant/Butler (?) or another vet / Simmons
- Leonard/Simmons/vet/ Manu if he stays another year?
- Parker/Mills/Mccallum/vet
I'd rather get rid of Green than LMA though. :( I like LMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bones
LMA has been a disappointment for a max player. If he weren't a max player, I would say that he's doing very well. But he's a max player and I expect a lot better play from him. Right now, the way he's playing, Gasol would be just as good a player. Not great, but good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Gasol is a player option.... so Spurs can be on Durant sweepstakes only if Gasol opts out.
One way players with pedestrian stats like Anus Cancer or Tristan Thompson are getting (almost) max money, what do you expect Aldridge contract should have been in the first place ? Great teams with loaded roster like the Spurs will render individual player stats quite underwhelming, it's just a common sense. Aldridge has been better than advertised defensively, and offensively he is getting more & more integrated & acclimated, what do you want more from him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
I expect him to be exceeding expectations. This is the Spurs, not Thunder and not the Cavaliers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Honestly, I want to see him working his butt out when he's on the court. Just watch him, he's coasting and taking it easy.
If that rumor about Pop being exasperated with him is true, then he should be traded pronto.
Let's see how Aldridge plays against the Rockets... if he doesn't deliver then this trade should be a good option.
#ceperezQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
sounds dumb from the bulls
I'm not sure exactly who they are targeting since these contracts seem to be expiring between 1 to 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Noah appears to be injured and Gasol appears to be opting out. So they are trying to get something before they have nothing left to trade. Still.... it is like 20million in salaries.
Very intriguing though.... Noah is 2014 DPOY. Both Noah and Gasol are known to be very good passing bigs.
Just read this: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...rts/151229468/ So Bulls want to get rid of both Gasol and Noah, leaders in the locker room? They want Butler to take the reigns of the franchise? Is this what is going on?
:lol...probably my favorite shtick right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Spurs are not going to trade West after he took a huge discount to sign with them that is something weasels like Cuban or Tom Rivers does. Not "the Spurs way". They are not trading for any of these guys.
I forget exactly who you are.... oh... now I recall... the guy who said Jonathon Simmons would amount to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
I think West is getting the hang of thing. Plus, his salary is next to nothing. So I don't expect him being traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dverde
So many shitty takes in the last page :lol
How about Noah???
anyone wants him in us???
Noah in the second unit of the Spurs would be awesome
uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Putting aside the fact that I never said that, it's pretty hilarious you would call out someone on a take when you fingered your own asshole repeatedly after we signed Jimmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Your lack of faith, in Jonathon Simmons, I've always found disturbing. Hope to see you making your confessions the next time you visit the vicarage.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
:lol he was also all over Austin Daye's nuts too iirc. He must have a fetish for 15th men/D League scrubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
You're really the last guy who wants to have past bad takes serve as some sort of disqualifier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
I think for the long run, and considering he will finish his contract with us for sure. Pau Gasol for Boris Diaw will make a lot of sense, mainly because he gives us a real C to play in all situations.
For me if itīs doable itīs a no brainer, while he is no Diaw, Pau is a good passer, good post player, able defender and has proved to be worth even at his age.
While Diaw at 7.5 million 3 years is a good contract that may turn out not so great, Pau at 7.5 for 2 years is a great one.
You don't trade the most clutch playoff shooter on the team who also happens to be the best passing bigman on the team and a heck of an offensive post presence, for Soft Gasol who would rather take a contested fadeaway than back his man in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
Pau will opt out this summer and could very well get a multi-year deal starting at 12M+. Diaw's contract is less than 50% guaranteed next year and completely unguaranteed in the last year. Whatever arguments you may make for a Diaw/Pau swap, their respective contracts do not support those arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I don't honestly believe that the Spurs would do West like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by james evans
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Pretty much this. Junk in, junk out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
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Originally Posted by ceperez
You really want to hinge your entire offseason on IF Durant comes to SA. :lol We already have a top 3 SF in the game already, and after a year in the system, LMA will most likely look like his normal self (or very close to it). Thank God you're not making decisions for the Spurs.
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Originally Posted by timtonymanu
All of his takes are just god awful. We have by far and away the 2nd best team in the league, Aldridge has been way better than advertised as a defender, he's getting more comfortable on the offensive end (just dropped 26 & 13 on Griffin), and this retard wants to get rid of him in year 1, pick up the corpses of Gasol and Noah (Duncan would have too much responsibility on D, which would make him less effective), and hinge these moves entirely on the HOPE that Durant signs with us, which will never happen since we already have Kawhi who will only get better.
Diaw is arguable the best playmaker in the entire team. Sure, he takes a break too often in the regular season, but his contributions are vital.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I wouldn't want to pull that kind of a trade.
1. You're not guaranteed Pau for 2 years. He has an opt out, so you should really pick your player return as if he were a partial season rental.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
2. He's no more fond of playing center that Aldridge is.
LMA has a lot of promise when he was signed. Yet, we don't know if he can take it to the next level. The verdict is still out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursBig3s
Just saying this is an intriguing option Gasol and Noah (2014 DPOY) for a max player that may not (*speculation*) play to expectations. LMA is playing so poorly that he's doing worse than Gasol. LMA numbers just show that he's not delivering as advertised.
Pau Per is 20.56
Noah Per is 15.03
Aldridge Per is 19.77
West Per is 15.86
Number say that Pau and Aldridge are about the same this season. So just saying that a Pau/Noah vs Aldridge trade may not be so ludicrous after all.
Aldridge is 30. Gasoft is 35. Only one of them can be a cornerstone going forward, and it ain't Gasoft. Consider Noah a burnt out corpse from too many years of high minutes in the Thibs system. He's done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Except PERs don't factor in defense, Pau is a liability on PnRs like Tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Why in the hell would the Bulls make this deal? They could get Markeiff for peanuts if they were seeking a smallball PF/C. Pau isn't a salay dump player, he has value.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
Not sure about Gibson or Noah. But gasol on the spurs would be insane. But it won't happen unfortunately.
Sports Illustrated Rumors: http://www.si.com/nba/2015/12/24/chi...oah-taj-gibsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Likely to be true.
Speculation is they get nothing for Noah at the end of the season. They also might get nothing for Gasol if he opts out.
So they are leaking out to the press that they are looking for a trade. Beggars aren't going to be choosers.
Well if Spurs offer up LMA then it might be enough for Bulls to give away both Noah and Gasol. It could be the Bulls want to move to small ball play and are offering their bigs up for a trade. Gasol is a great play maker and Noah is the 2014 DPOY so there's still value in this deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bic50
The rare voice of reason. I'm not sure why this thread continued after this exclamation mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
2016 Free agency includes Durant. 2017 Free agency is ridiculously rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
So if Gasol is available for 1-2 years, it gives maximum flexibility for the Spurs without a drop off in performance (with Gasol replacing LMA for 1-2 years).
2017 flexibility is important. Probably more important than the $20m/year LMA contract.
Again why would they want Bobo when they have Taj/Niko under contractQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Are legitimately low functioning? Serious question. Just need to know if I should feel bad for making fun of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Durant is not a "Spur" nor will he ever join the Spurs. This team has a shot at a championship this season while LMA and Tim are both playing very good basketball. I would not be willing to throw that away for some pie in the sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Bobo? Don't think Bulls would be interested in Bobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
BTW, Taj is also rumored to be on trading block.
It is hard to tell where Durant will be going. However, if the Spurs destroy the Thunder this year, he could be so fed up with his team and pack his bags to go elsewhere. Where? Who knows!?Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
Bobby Portis is going to get Taj's minutes if he's traded. What the hell is Boris going to do in the Bulls.isolation offense? Who's going to protect the rim or grab defensive rebounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
He's going to re-sign b/c he's a loyal servant & OKC controls the local media (he's very sensitive)Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
:lol lma for noah + soft gasol
:lol spurstalk.com
Gasol was a sexy option in his Laker years, and maybe even before he went to Chicago. Noah's a walking tombstone.
Any talk of blowing up the existing system 30 games in just for an outside shot at a one legged horse in Durant and maybe some 2017 versions of the 2015 parts we got this year is ridiculous. I get it - the Spurs spent too many offseasons being the bridesmaid, never the bride. Time to drop that mentality.
Bulls want to unload big contracts to go smaller. Portis may have a lot more upside than Gibson. So that's why Taj is on the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Lots of team all going small this season.
Let me get this straight. You want to entice a former Longhorn MAX FA by trading a former Longhorn MAX FA only months after signing him? I wouldn't be too jazzed to sign with a team that would dump a prized FA with no substance, legal, or overt attitude problems that quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
The Bulls apparently are dumping Gasol. Which makes you wonder since Gasol is playing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
LMA should be dumped if he's not meeting expectations. I want to see him though play against the strong teams and see how he delivers. If he lays an egg, then this discussion has merit. So far Spurs have played enough strong teams to make any good evaluation as to whether LMA is worth it.
LMA definitely has talent. I'm just concerned about his mindset.
Again trading for Boris doesn't make sense since they are loaded with forwards like the Spurs. It doesn't make sense to trade Boris for Taj as far as the Spurs are concerned either. If the Bulls want to play small ball then Markeiff is available for peanutsQuote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
I agree, it doesn't make sense. Some other poster brought that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
I really don't care for Taj. He can't shoot and will get exposed come playoff time.
I would like Gasol as a one year rental , but we have to start thinking of the fact that Duncan , Diaw, Manu , Butler, Bonner and West might be gone next year if we win it all.
So grabbing Gasol might make sense as to keep him from other teams and our Cupboard won't be so bare.
I agree. The Spurs will not be trading West after what he gave up to join the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
If you want Gasol going forward, sign him next summer as a FA. No need to give up anything now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSpur
I don't think there will be any cap room. It'll be the same problem as the last time Spurs tried to get Gasol.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
He'll be two years older, and we were barely outbid last time. I think the market for 36 YO PFs probably won't exceed the MLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
At some point, it would be nice for the Spurs to invest in a young big rather than constantly going for the retreads. Perhaps that is an investment we make in 2017. Or perhaps Cady fills the bill in a year or two...Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
To address SilverSpur, I expect Boris to return next season. Tbh, I expect Boris to play as long as his compatriot, Tony, plays, and possibly longer. As for Duncan, Manu and DWest, they will all probably retire if we win a championship this season. However, I would not be surprised to see Duncan return, and I would be even less so to see DWest return. If we fail to win the 'ship this season, the odds that Tim and/or DWest returns increase. Butler will be gone, and Bonner will do whatever Pop wants. There is no way we want to make a trade for Gasol this season, disrupting the team even more by getting rid of Diaw. No matter how similar the two skill sets appear, system and teammate familiarity and chemistry are important. This isn't a fantasy league.
Next year we might want to rent Gasol, but our situation is too fluid to predict. Besides, didn't Gasol state something to the effect that he preferred a city that had more in the way of "culture" than San Antonio has to offer?