Bulls looking to trade Gasol, Noah, and/or Gibson

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Durant is not a "Spur" nor will he ever join the Spurs. This team has a shot at a championship this season while LMA and Tim are both playing very good basketball. I would not be willing to throw that away for some pie in the sky.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Aldridge is 30. Gasoft is 35. Only one of them can be a cornerstone going forward, and it ain't Gasoft. Consider Noah a burnt out corpse from too many years of high minutes in the Thibs system. He's done.

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^^^^ What they said ^^^^^

We are not trading Aldridge. Spurs don't roll like that. The first star free agent in his prime that signs here and we are going to trade him? No! Specially when we are in a historic franchise start, with a historic defense.

We are also not trading West. He's been playing really well for us and has improved with each game. He also signed for peanuts to win now.

We are also not trading 1st round picks. We need them to reload in the future, since its unpredictable what will happen to the team when the legend HOF players retire and you can't take for granted some older guys we have. We will need to replenish with young talent.

Finally, all speculation regarding Anderson is fine and all, but he's also not getting traded. He won't get a big haul with his small salary and Pop is engaged coaching him and giving him opportunities. There is potential there that he can harvest and I suspect Pop will want to see him through.

I just can't envision a scenario where any of our bigs are traded to go after any of Chicago's bigs.

#ceperez

I am border line had it with LMA. The guy despite having size and talent, chooses to settle for the most inefficient shot in basketball. The contested mid-range jumper. Even when he's wide open he even manages to miss shots by a wide margin. He barely plays any help defense and its like a wide open lane when players drive into the lane.

Gasol may have a reputation as soft, but I tell you now, LMA is much softer. At least Gasol has enough length to block shots, LMA not only can barely jump, but rarely contests shots.

Noah is 2014 DPOY, yes he's got a ton of injury's, but a defensive presence in the 2nd unit will plug a major hole.

Spurs should trade LMA for Gasol/Noah!!! 1/3rd a season is enough to realize that LMA is a problem when playing elite teams.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

I am border line had it with LMA. The guy despite having size and talent, chooses to settle for the most inefficient shot in basketball. The contested mid-range jumper. Even when he's wide open he even manages to miss shots by a wide margin. He barely plays any help defense and its like a wide open lane when players drive into the lane.

Gasol may have a reputation as soft, but I tell you now, LMA is much softer. At least Gasol has enough length to block shots, LMA not only can barely jump, but rarely contests shots.

Noah is 2014 DPOY, yes he's got a ton of injury's, but a defensive presence in the 2nd unit will plug a major hole.

Spurs should trade LMA for Gasol/Noah!!! 1/3rd a season is enough to realize that LMA is a problem when playing elite teams.

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You you need to take a break. Your takes are consistently atrocious and your advocating dumping LMA for Noah and Gasol

as other posters have repeatedly said in many different ways, that would be borderline retarded

What about Danny green, David west, and the rights to deshaun Thomas

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joakim Noah and Tony snell

green is is the money that evens the trade. We need to do something about the combo of West and Diaw. They are bad together on that second unit. Diaw and Noah Areca much better fit. Coming off the bench with lower minutes and a coach that can manage his minutes better might be good for Noah. Thomas gives them the second wing player in this trade. And his shooting could come in handy for Chicago.

Snell is shooting 39% from 3 this year. He has improved and would improve even more with chip England. He is long and athletic and we wouldn't lose anything defensively. And gain a kid that can handle the ball and drive and finish.


PG- Parker, mills, mccallum
SG- Snell, ginobli, simmons
SF- Leonard, anderson, butler
PF- Aldridge, Diaw, Bonner
C- Duncan, Noah, Boban

I get what many here says, that the Bulls won´t pull the trigger.

But Gasol is a very good player, producing PER around 20 for many years now.

Boris is a good passer and a good defender on switches, but not a rim protector and clearly not getting any younger.

If Gasol accepts and the Bulls accept this trade for us should be a no brainer. Even if it disrupts our second unit playmaking, which i think i don´t because Gasol is very used to playing with playmakers ala Ginobili and has been assist leader on his national team from time to time.

A good deal is there for us to make an offer, we would be dumb not to.

Then the Bulls can reject, but you have to try it because it makes you better.

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Originally Posted by kaji157

I get what many here says, that the Bulls won´t pull the trigger.

But Gasol is a very good player, producing PER around 20 for many years now.

Boris is a good passer and a good defender on switches, but not a rim protector and clearly not getting any younger.

If Gasol accepts and the Bulls accept this trade for us should be a no brainer. Even if it disrupts our second unit playmaking, which i think i don´t because Gasol is very used to playing with playmakers ala Ginobili and has been assist leader on his national team from time to time.

A good deal is there for us to make an offer, we would be dumb not to.

Then the Bulls can reject, but you have to try it because it makes you better.

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Viable trade, but Boris is 'damaged goods' for most other teams. They don' know if he's going to put in the effort.

Here's my proposal.

Trade LMA for Noah and Gasol.

Leaves cap room in 2016 for some interesting possible acquisitions: http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/10/nba-...e-top-players/

Potential targets: Durant, Harrison Barnes, Batum, Ezeli, Afflalo, Fournier

I honestly don't believe that LMA is any better in the next two years than Pau Gasol. Noah is just extra reserve that may be good for a one year rental but certainly will help fix defensive hole for 2nd unit.

Pau and Noah are good passing big men and certainly will help the stagnant offense of the Spurs starting lineup.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Okay.... Gasol and Noah for Aldridge.

Apparently it does:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hsurn44

+3 wins for Spurs.

Looks like it'll burn Spurs future after 2016-17. However, do Spurs really have a future with Aldridge?

Spurs dump Noah and pick up Serge Ibaka.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Here's my proposal.

Trade LMA for Noah and Gasol.

Leaves cap room in 2016 for some interesting possible acquisitions: http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/10/nba-...e-top-players/

Potential targets: Durant, Harrison Barnes, Batum, Ezeli, Afflalo, Fournier

I honestly don't believe that LMA is any better in the next two years than Pau Gasol. Noah is just extra reserve that may be good for a one year rental but certainly will help fix defensive hole for 2nd unit.

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Posting the same thing two days later doesn't make it any better.

#ceperez

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Posting the same thing two days later doesn't make it any better.

#ceperez

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Well I dread the realization that LMA could become "Richard Jefferson 2.0".

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Well I dread the realization that LMA could become "Richard Jefferson 2.0".

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All kidding aside, you show so much faith in PATFO in other threads that you may want to at least give LMA a full season as there's zero chance that the Spurs trade him during this season.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

All kidding aside, you show so much faith in PATFO in other threads that you may want to at least give LMA a full season as there's zero chance that the Spurs trade him during this season.

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R.J. 2.0 is rearing its ugly head. LMA indeed has the talent, unfortunately I have yet to see the commitment or even the basketball IQ. The excuses that he needs time to learn the system is beginning to look suspect as evidenced as to how much David West has made progress.

The PATFO owes Duncan and Ginobili much more than whatever commitments they've made to LMA. LMA also owes PATFO at least the consistent effort which he has yet to show. Either he hasn't made the effort or that he's incapable of figuring it out. I think it is partially the first, but more of the second. If that's the case and if the Bulls are willing to ditch their bigs, then the PATFO should make the trade despite how bad the optics may look.

R.J. 1.0 was a horrible affair, let's hope Spurs don't have to go through another debacle like it.

Gasol for Aldridge or whatever package is dumb. Have any of you seen Gasol in PnR defensive situations? :lmao

Gasol is probably a better offensive fit. But my God is he awful on D

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Originally Posted by ceperez

R.J. 2.0 is rearing its ugly head. LMA indeed has the talent, unfortunately I have yet to see the commitment or even the basketball IQ. The excuses that he needs time to learn the system is beginning to look suspect as evidenced as to how much David West has made progress.

The PATFO owes Duncan and Ginobili much more than whatever commitments they've made to LMA. LMA also owes PATFO at least the consistent effort which he has yet to show. Either he hasn't made the effort or that he's incapable of figuring it out. I think it is partially the first, but more of the second. If that's the case and if the Bulls are willing to ditch their bigs, then the PATFO should make the trade despite how bad the optics may look.

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I am quite certain that PATFO has an entirely different view of Aldridge.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Gasol for Aldridge or whatever package is dumb. Have any of you seen Gasol in PnR defensive situations? :lmao

Gasol is probably a better offensive fit. But my God is he awful on D

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If Spurs have to beg, then beggars aren't going to be choosers.

Noah, 2014 DPOY if healthy, may be a better PNR defender. Of course, with zero offense.

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Originally Posted by elemento

Honestly they're in a tough situation

Gasol about to opt out and likely gone. Noah is 30 y/o, has showed signs to be declining and wants his last fat big contract. Gibson never really had the chance to be a starting PF in CHI but he is already 30 y/o.

Not really sure if there's something they could do to compete with the Cavs as long as they have that albatross contract of D-Rose.

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And Rose is thinking about all that money going around. Preparing for Free agency and all.. :lol:lol

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Originally Posted by elemento

Honestly they're in a tough situation

Gasol about to opt out and likely gone. Noah is 30 y/o, has showed signs to be declining and wants his last fat big contract. Gibson never really had the chance to be a starting PF in CHI but he is already 30 y/o.

Not really sure if there's something they could do to compete with the Cavs as long as they have that albatross contract of D-Rose.

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Spurs have a potential albatross in LMA's contract. So two desperate teams may agree on taking a path that is less painful.

Damn, this escalated quickly. The team is 26-6 with 50 left to play in the regular season. Even with Aldridge not reaching his potential yet, the Spurs are putting up historically great numbers on defense. We knew there was going to be a transition and there is still plenty of time to get better. I imagine the coaching staff will tweak the offense or lineups to make Aldridge more comfortable if that's what it takes. You don't just give up and start trading major investments before mid-season.

Aldridge is veteran and will get better with time. I expect him to raise his play to another level when the playoffs start too.

What tmt said^

:lol at some of the ridiculous and borderline retarded trade ideas in this thread

"Lma might not reach expectation"

Risks the future for a
Gasoft that can opt out and a declining noah :lol

LMA is much better than Richard Jefferson ever was for the Spurs, and this is a completely different situation. I think he needs more time. He is a better overall player. He just needs to up his aggressiveness and be more aggressive around the rim against all opponents.

The team also signed Aldridge as a FA. They didn't trade for him. That would not be a good thing to try and get rid of him this soon. The backlash from other free agents around the league wouldn't be good.

So folks.... what do you think of LMA performance agains the t-wolves? If it weren't for some good assists, LMA could have laid an egg.

The writing is on the wall... LMA may not even be worth a trade for Gasol and Noah.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

LMA is much better than Richard Jefferson ever was for the Spurs, and this is a completely different situation. I think he needs more time. He is a better overall player. He just needs to up his aggressiveness and be more aggressive around the rim against all opponents.

The team also signed Aldridge as a FA. They didn't trade for him. That would not be a good thing to try and get rid of him this soon. The backlash from other free agents around the league wouldn't be good.

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PATFO owes the Duncan and Manu and every other Spurs player that made a sacrifice a *quality* player. LMA is not delivering on that *quality* so honestly if he gets canned and Spurs still win a championship then it would not matter. It gives notice to everyone else who signs with the Spurs that it isn't a walk in the park to play here. Dump LMA pronto!

No wonder Pop went ballistic last night. LMA made a bad pass to Manu that led to a layup by the wolves. He just lost it and took it out on the refs so he would get thrown out.

Honestly, a trade is likely in the works. Pop has completely had it with the bum.

(c) copyrighted #ceperez

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Parker/Mills
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson/Butler
Gasol/Diaw/West/Bonner
Duncan/Boban/Noah

Boban at center

kawhi and simmons as athletics wings

noah and diaw as point forwards