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solid D, just forgot how to shoot and pass
Eh, OP thinks Jimmer would be better.
Jimmer's corpse would be betterQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He's still good at defense that's why he's still getting minutes.
Green's starting to come along, tbh.
Jimmer would be better, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
danny green's per game shooting averages are almost all lower than his career averages. He's sitting at an 8.5 PER, with similar usage and the highest TO% of his career. His OWS is negative. His Ft rate and W/48 are about half of his career average. 33 games into the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Lets give him the max $, right Chump?
Still a bargain, especially when the cap increases. Plays great team defense, and is growing on the offensive end.
Danny does this every year with his shot as he learns new things, why are people still surprised?
I was going to start a thread on Green of my own, but this one beat me to it. I had noticed what I thought was a certain lack of effort when trying to defend against a high pick and roll, TBH it looked like a lack of balls in fighting through the top of the pick. Ideally, an elite defender should be smart enough and quick enough laterally to meet or beat the offensive player to the spot. At least to give the offensive player some grief. I was watching him on NBA League Pass and the camera isn't always focused on Green.
I see a lot of energy from Patty Mills to do that. I see J. Simmons trying to do that although he's likely to just bulldoze through the pick man and pick up a foul. Although the Parker haters will hate this, I even see Parker trying to take away that P&R by trying to fight through the pick a lot of times this year. But was my take on Green's defense correct?
Over Christmas I came back to SA to visit my kids and took my son to the Denver game. I wanted to focus on Green. On the first five Denver offensive plays they had Will Barton get the ball on the left side and the center come up to the top of the key/3 pt arc for a pick. When Barton took the ball toward the high pick Danny just trailed behind by several yards. He wasn't in any position to fight the pick at all and Barton made the turn to go down the lane. Our defender (D. West started the game) had two guys to defend and either the center or Barton had a layup--While Danny just trailed along behind down the lane. That was the first five play and an easy 10 pts.
On the next Spurs possession Green got trapped on the high right sideline and threw a bad pass which was stolen and Denver went down for another layup. That's 12 points that can be attributed to Danny to start the game. At that point Pop called time out and changed the on-court lineup.
It appears to me that Danny simply doesn't want to have any contact on a pick and roll situation. Either that or he isn't smart enough to figure out they are going to keep calling that number so he should cheat a little in his positioning--or he is even more slow-footed laterally than Anderson. Trailing the play, hoping for a block from behind is NOT elite defense. Folks sometimes give him credit for a block from behind coming down the paint--but they never comment on why he is behind all the time.
I assume his shooting will come back. I'd keep the ball out of his hands as much as possible because of his terrible passing and inability to dribble much beyond the level of a good schoolyard kid--but he's gonna have to show more focus on the defensive end while in the shooting slump.
I like Danny. He's been a big part of our success. And he showed loyalty to the team with his contract. So I hate to criticize him, but he can do better.
Straw man.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
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Originally Posted by tholdren
We had Jimmer's corpse, and it wasn't better.
#streetballtrashQuote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Eh. Kyle Korver has also missed his last 20 three-point shots so.... They'll both get it together at some point.
Just like with Aldridge, if Green gets on track with his offense - look out! This team is pretty damn good already and can get much better.
Danny has always been a chaser on defense. He's a good on ball defender, but he's fragile, and his attitude is not "hard nosed" never has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Plus his contract with Club Rio states he cant have any cosmetic injuries prior to his NNY Eve party there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
toucheQuote:
Originally Posted by gospursgojas
Danny's dropped off a bit in D and a lot on O. He's still one of the best defensive SG's in the league and we know he's capable on O - just needs to get rid of that damn rust.
NBA season almost half over. Rust is not an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neurosis
McCallum - Simmons - Anderson - Bonner - Marjanovic
WE'RE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKED.
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Originally Posted by Uriel
I'll still take Danny's top5 Defense at SG over some low efficiency chucker who barely contributes on defense. As bad as his offense has been, he's still a better player than most other starting SG's in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Yeah so that's a reflection on the lack of depth at the SG position league-wide but you take what you can get.
All we can do is hope Danny can fix his shooting woes, same as with Lamarcus.
Love Danny Green, but hate how he seems to always stop the ball late in the shot clock for some reason and expects to something with it. Just keep moving around the perimeter, and play good defense and he will be fine.
Thanks for sharing such careful observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
To be honest, Danny hasn't been up to last season's standards on both ends, and I agree with you. Like you say, one is reluctant to criticize a guy who is so likeable in personality and who has been such a big part of our teams and a championship. What you point out are just a few examples. I have observed that he still overhelps and doesn't recover on 3 pt. shooters in time, and has gotten beat by backdoor cuts with frequency. Playing with the SL, his defensive numbers should be higher than they are (I mean guys like J.Simms and Anderson are right up there, and Anderson in particular has handled his assignments and team defense better than Danny has managed his and these two guys play in garbage time a lot, in weird lineups (better now that Boban has emerged as a force, but their numbers were skewed by very early pre-dleague assignment Boban and Ray, Bonner. Just in general these two wings have been in very poor defensive lineups with Diaw and Butler as your 5-4, Anderson as a 4, and stuff like that, and they are still doing a good job. Compared to them, Danny should be doing much better but he isn't.)
I wonder if what you notice on the picks is a practice to deal with GSW and how referees call fouls on guys getting too close fighting through a screen, bc you seem to make a very particular observation that I had not payed attention to.
thanks for the props. It takes some concentration away from watching the overall game to focus in on just one player--but once your eyes/mind sees it enough, you begin to see it every time it happens. I don't think it is a strategy that Pop is trying out in anticipation of GSW. After all, every other guard/forward is trying to fight through to the top of the screen. Against GSW you can't go beneath the screen or an undefended Curry or Thompson will kill you with 3s if they have the protection of the high screen man. Curry,especially, only needs a second of time and very little space to fire off a three. You have to stay with them if possible and try to disrupt the PNR by getting between them and the pick man. Not possible every time, but you have to try.
I also picked up on Danny losing his defensive court awareness, creating a vulnerability to his man going backdoor on him in the last few games, but not having really studied it sufficiently, I hesitated to bring it up. Again, once you see it and imprint it on your mind, you start noticing it whenever it happens and then develop some anticipation.
It usually happens, I THINK, when he is sort of isolated on one side with another player and it may be caused by losing his man's location while trying to drift over to help out over at the lane. But he gets caught in no man's land--too far from his man with his back to him and not close enough to the lane to really be effective there. He really needs to focus on his man and stay at home IMO. (But this is my take, and the coaching staff may be encouraging the players to drift off their man for team defensive purposes.)
What was your excuse for Jimmer last season?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
racismQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Below is the order of 3% on SA this year
Tony Parker - leads team (sorry krew)
KL
Bonner
Simmons
Anderson
TEAM AVERAGE .376
Manu
Mills
Diaw
West .333
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Green .301
Butler .286 (great find)
Ray .250 (Starting PG material)
Sidenote - Danny Green is dead last in FG% on SA, tied for last (ray) for dead last TS%.... Last in WS/48
That's why he shot so poorly?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I will still trust him because he showed he works hard and competes. Just feels that last year´s first round exit where he sucked are still on his mind.
I was checking the amount of open looks he is getting and percentage wise is similar than last year. The dropoff could be understandable if it was just his scoring, but is his percentage that is taking a huge hit.
Explain your conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Ball don't lieQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That would mean he just sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
I believe that.
Jf better than rayQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not where it counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Ball sure didn't lie last season -- or do you have an excuse for Jimmer?
Sample sizeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
50 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Lol. Come back when you have minutes played and attemptsQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
509 minutes played.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
166 attempts.
What's the excuse?
Sample sizeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
How many minutes and attampts would he need for sample size to not be your excuse for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
lol
Danny Green 4 for 5 from downtown w 5 mins left in the 1st...how ya love that!
Should trade him right now
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhi m8
OP is a faggot
lol hating on Danny Green.
I could never hate Danny Green even if he never plays good ball ever again.
He brought defense back to the Spurs. Remember that we had given up on it before we made him a mainstay.
Never forget.
All he needed was an elbow in the mouth by Beverly to wake him up.
Just don't piss off Danny Green or he's going to make you pay!
Danny green 1 good game and 40 bad ones. He's been the worst player on sa this year. 30 more games in a row like last night and then delete thread. Until then, he still sucks
Mel, you're the master of not addressing posts. I don't know how you do it honestly. Every time I read something from you, it has taken a turn from any topic at hand. Bravo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
In relevant news
Danny Green still the worst FG% on the team even though his career night last night
Danny Green still shooting worse 3% than everyone but Ray and Butler.... 32%
Only 27 more games in a row of going 6/8 on 3s and he'll be right up there.
Seems like he's back to going more vertical with his jumper instead of drifting forward like 3 feet.
If Danny goes 6/8 for 27 more games, he'd be at 57 percent, which would put him in position to shatter the NBA single-season record. In fact, he'd only need to do that for 13 more games to tie Leonard for first place on the team in three-point percentage, provided Kawhi maintains his current rate. Of course, that's not likely, both due to the percentages and the attempts. But it just goes to show how off base you are thinking that Danny isn't in position to turn it around. If Green averages even 3/7 for the rest of the season, he'd be right at 40 percent for the year. He doesn't have to be great to get back into borderline elite territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
You're using a 1/4 sample size to judge Ray, lol. Then complaining about Jimmer's comparatively huge sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
He's a terrible, horribly biased poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
No, I'm making fun of Chinook and chump. Good catchQuote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
How is it making fun of us?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Jimmer's is the larger sample size.
Why don't you guys both declare victory on the Jimmer thing on this thread? and, if you want to continue your discussion, start another Jimmer thread. For the life of me, I can't see how anyone could think Jimmer is worth another bunch of posts, but go for it if you guys have a testosterone thing going.
Any time criticism of spurs players you like is always defended with sample size retort of some kindQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not always. I certainly never called an entire NBA season lacking as a sample size.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Your tsasa% shows otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Bump for chump
What's so terrible about him in this game?
Or are you just sniffing the boxscore?
BwahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So you're not watching the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Understood.
He's bad - better than the previous 30plus but that's not saying muchQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Danny Green D Outside of his two three-pointers, he was a bone in the Spurs' side once again. Frequently allowed his man to own him on defense, and stunk up the offense for the most part. Botched a three pointer short with literally nobody within 20 feet of him in the 3rd quarter which would have been important for our momentum. Turned the ball over at critical junctures which fueled many of the Pistons' transition opportunities. Absolutely scorched by Caldwell-Pope, and there wasn't a damn thing Green could do about it. Almost as pathetic as that guy he starts with on the perimeter, but not quite given his lower expectations.
Bring back Jimmer and give him Danny's starting spot...
I cannot believe that after 6-7 years of looking, with all the money Manu has left onthe table for others, we are still unable to find a SG that really deserves to start over Manu, even at 38.
He is either great or today´s SG suck.
Relax. 2012-2015 danny was great, dude is in a slump but he still plays his ass off. If manu was starting this team wouldnt be as a potent as it isQuote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
I could shoot a layup or throw it out of bounds.
Danny green owned by Jr smith
Where's chinook and chump with that crow pie?
DG is a pajero.
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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
He played fine in the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Congratulations on finally watching a game though. Looking through the window of someone with basic cable?
He played fine the second half...... lolololololQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He did. Did your neighbor shut his blinds after halftime?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Sorry.
He played fine the second half .. gold brother.... gold
Well he did, sister. I don't see you disputing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
I am - just like I'm disputing his garbage play all year long. Making 10 mil this year. Shooting the worst 2% on the team Shooting the 10th 3% on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
- Last in WS/48
- only spur in NEGATIVE ows
- last in ts%
- Last in per
Give back the money before the club owners get it all.
i dont think anybody is saying green is having a good season by his standards
and it's impossible to "give the money back"
not impossible. spurs saved green's life, green steals from spurs. common courtesy would be to give the money to his teammates, owner, or city.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Coasting!!!!!
ally ooopp!!
here come the kids. rather see an oop than good basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by popdagreat
lol racist
Fuck Danny Green. This useless fucker is stealing so much money. Reggie Williams could be doing the exact same job he is for a fraction of the cost.
Where's Spurtacular with the Jimmer goods?Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Dawgg
PS Butler shooting 27% from 3
Waiting for Chump to admit error is a useless pastime. He'll just fight to get the last word and then declare victory when you realize there's no point arguing. Ignore list is a great place to put him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
4-8 and improving :tu
Danny Green is going to have his hand full guarding Steph Curry. His supposed air tight defense has cracks a mile wide.
The good news tonight was Danny passing the ball before he got into heavy traffic, and stepping into his 3P shots more confidently. Early in the season he was a turnover machine, but lately he's pretty much quit trying to take the ball into the paint. I hope there's some spill-over into the next game, and that Golden State decides he's not a threat and leaves him some open looks.
Agree with you GSH.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
A lot to be happy with Danny. First the scoring, bc we have made such an issue of it. Not hesitant to take his shots. (4-8 from 3 and we needed it, bc Lakers were hot shooting).
Better than that good effort and hustle defensively.
One day at a time. But, dials back the ball handling, and easy peasy, again. Hopefully the increased ball-handling was by design during the early season, in an attempt (failed), to improve his game, and not him just going rogue. And, similarly, as I suggested, they can just dial it back and put him in a more regular Danny role. Regular Danny 3&D is pretty darn good. If he can develop better handles, great, but he doesn't have to. Work on it in the off-season, try again next Nov and Dec. Or, better yet, learn to play guitar, or something else you're more likely to be good at, Danny. But, hopefully they continue to dial back the dribbling by design. Only as necessary, as we all watch and cringe.
When he is dribbling down with no pressure for an in-transition pull up 3, he's pretty deadly, or set in rythm catch and shoot, or anything at the end of the shot clock. Green light. No pun intended.
But, I don't think it's coincidental that his first miss last night comes when he has to put the ball on the floor and readjust his 3 point shot from a defender running at him. He's not Steph Curry. If there were 0-6,7,8? seconds on the shot clock, that's still a good shot for him to take. I am pulling some numbers out of my ass here, but it's probably low to mid 20% shot for him, at best high 20 to low 30. But, that's better than not getting a shot at all before the buzzer, or passing out to get maybe an even more rushed, and lower percentage shot from whomever would bail him out.
But, that first miss last night came when he put the ball on the floor to move around the running defender. When that occurred, the defender was in his face with 11 seconds left on the shot clock. That's quite a bit of time. Hell, when they reset it for a kicked ball you get a 14 second set, only.
He just doesn't need to take that shot, probably. All of his other shots were great looks. Even the three other misses. All seven pretty wide open and in rythm.
That one, if he takes that dribble and passes out of it...maybe a higher percentage shot ensues for another player in the next 11 seconds...or even he gets the ball back himself for a better shot...
But, just minor adjustments like that make him a lot more efficient. He would be 4/7 last night instead of 4/8. Both good, but it adds up over time, of course.
Anyway, time marches on.
I would never put someone on ignore. I think it violates the premise of communication tools. Plus, it's fun to watch him think he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View