Article: Kawhi would be the #1 pick if the 2011 draft were redone today...

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

The point is, if that draft were held today, 100% of GMs would pick Kawhi Leonard first.

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I think there's a good 60% who would pick Irving still :lmao

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Originally Posted by DAF86

If he would have been the number 1 pick he wouldn't have waited 3 years to get to the league and would have played above 30 minutes per game. And no, nobody would pick Ron Artest nor shawn fucking Marion over Manu knowing what they know now.

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I'd say you overestimate Manu's capacity to play > 30mpg (and I don't remember what was his contract situation in Europe), and that you underestimate Shawn Marion, who was a 20 & 10 player in his prime. Marion played 50% more minutes than Manu over the course of his career...

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Clicking through to the article will usually answer dumb questions like this.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/xKy2w6LehxxHa/giphy.gif

I wonder who the first person (a scout, I presume) in the Spurs' organization was to say to RC that Kawhi was someone to keep an eye on?

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Why am I not surprised that that specific faggot is the one who doesnt get the point...







yet again

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One interesting take, comparing the Suns & Spurs: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...-nba/26476681/

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

Why am I not surprised that that specific faggot is the one who doesnt get the point...







yet again

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:lol

K... genuinely thinks that Morris, Jimmer, Vesely, Biyombo...are way better players than Kawhi. :lol

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Originally Posted by Tully365

One interesting take, comparing the Suns & Spurs: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...-nba/26476681/

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"They had the culture ready to groom Leonard into a star with Duncan, Parker and Ginobili putting a ring, or rings, to selfless play"
This is nice coming from AZCentral.

"Not pick Leonard because of an overabundance of rotation small forwards on the roster — Grant Hill, Jared Dudley and Josh Childress"
19-years-old Kawhi was a better defender than Dudley/Childress in their whole careers...

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

Actually I don't think that it's quite as clear cut as for Kawhi: Manu would have a strong case for being picked #1, but depending on each team's situation I could see some going for Shawn Marion or Metta World Peace instead, or even AK47.

Not every team could afford waiting 3 years for their #1 pick to arrive and then play him below 30mpg.

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If this is just a mental exercise, all things being equal, then the delay isn't a factor. I'd imagine that Manu's no worse than second on virtually every GM's list.

Although we got a huge steal on Kawhi it does make me a bit sad that we could of had Jimmy Buckets instead of Cojo. Could of had the two best players in the draft :wow

idk tbh

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

If this is just a mental exercise, all things being equal, then the delay isn't a factor. I'd imagine that Manu's no worse than second on virtually every GM's list.

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Well, one player's career in the NBA is potentially 3y shorter than the other, and Manu already wasn't that young when he was drafted. I'd definitely draft Manu first, don't get me wrong, but I could see some GMs pick Marion first because it would work better for them.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

Well, one player's career in the NBA is potentially 3y shorter than the other, and Manu already wasn't that young when he was drafted. I'd definitely draft Manu first, don't get me wrong, but I could see some GMs pick Marion first because it would work better for them.

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Manu didn't sign with Kinder Bologna until after the draft. His age might be a factor, but the Spurs could have had him for the 1999/2000 season.

Holy shit, that deserves its own thread.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The league is full of ex-Spur players who couldn't crack the rotation here. We face them all the time. Anderson could easily be one of those.

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Anderson wont be. I think he'll be a bonafide star and place top 10 on all time Spurs list when its all said and done. hes just taking a while to get to his max potential, naturally LOL

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

I'd say you overestimate Manu's capacity to play > 30mpg (and I don't remember what was his contract situation in Europe), and that you underestimate Shawn Marion, who was a 20 & 10 player in his prime. Marion played 50% more minutes than Manu over the course of his career...

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I've seen him play over 30 minutes per game in all kinds of formats. So no, I don't think I overestimate his capacity to play over 30 mpg. I think you underestimate it.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The point that Kawhi was a lot better than the #15 position, where he got drafted? Yes, that point totally escaped me. Glad someone wrote an article about it.


Why am I not surprised that you don't get that it's a stupid, unnecessary fluff-piece written by a guy who normally writes articles like, "What to do with an English degree" and "The 25 Best Women's Colleges"?
https://author-profiles.graphiq.com/l/8/Nick-Selbe
I knew, without looking, that the person who wrote that article is some dumbshit who recently graduated college, and knows jack shit about basketball. I wonder why you didn't?

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What? I wasnt talking bout the article bruh :lol

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

Kyrie Irving

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Would pick Irving over Leonard, but Leonard definitely top 5 for sure.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Manu didn't sign with Kinder Bologna until after the draft. His age might be a factor, but the Spurs could have had him for the 1999/2000 season.

Holy shit, that deserves its own thread.

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Biggest "what if" in the history of the Spurs if PATFO had indeed full control over when he could come...

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

Biggest "what if" in the history of the Spurs if PATFO had indeed full control over when he could come...

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Yeah, 2000 was a lost season, but Manu instead of Derek Anderson to take over for Mario Elie and Jaren Jackson. Holy shit.

Seems like years ago folks on this site used to take a lot of shots at the FO and Pop for their draft choices. "Sure," they said, "they got lucky with Timmy, Ginobilli, and Parker, but luck isn't good drafting skills." You don't hear a lot of that these days.

Are Spurs Talk fans maturing? Nah, probably not. Just bandwagoneers.