Were any of you rooting for the Broncos over the Patriots because of...

...the Spurs? You always see the franchise comparisons of how successful both have been. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Patriots or anything, but most of the time, I see in the media the "Spurs are the Patriots of the NBA". If anything, it should be the other way around. I think the sustained excellence of the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era is greater than the Patriots in the Tom Brady era. What do you think?

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No, I like Manning more than Brady ...

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Having graduated from Alabama and being a Spurs fan I have always hated having my favorite college football and NBA team compared to the Patriots. They all have a long period of dominance that's true but neither the Spurs nor the Crimson Tide languish under a cloud of cheating, distrust and breaking the rules. People don't like it when you win but you don't here people fear that the Spurs or Alabama are actively cheating to do it. That plus I am a Ram's fan (Los Angeles and St Louis) and I will never believe that they didn't cheat to win that Super Bowl against us after the commissioner decided to burn all evidence in the Spygate investigation. (must have been pretty damn bad for a commissioner to do that). I had a anybody but Brady attitude about this playoffs.

Peyton is my fave player, and the way he conducts himself is awfully Tim like. It feels like Spurs/Warriors in the superbowl. Cam is like Curry/GS with all their dancing and celebrations and what not. I hope the Broncos can humble them a bit.

Pats are cheaters, Spurs aren't.

But no, I like Manning, he is very likeable guy where as Brady is an asshole. Manning is one of those guys who is easy to root for even if you aren't a fan of the team he is playing on.

As one of the few lucky enough to be both a Spurs fan and a Patriots fan, I can say I think it's a great comparison. For a while there I'd have put Duncan's Spurs, Brady's Patriots and Brodeur's Devils in the same category, but that franchise cratered out already. Patriots fans have the luxury of knowing how ridiculous people sound when they mention cheating, mostly because the triviality of the things they were accused of is constantly overlooked but understand why the envious cling to the notion that their sustained excellence is ill-gotten. The way they run their organization with a roster-wide team-first winning-is-why-we're-here attitude is very similar to the Spurs. The selflessness with which the franchise defining superstars operate (from the way the play to the way they negotiate) is very similar. The flurry of championships followed by a drought with near misses followed by another championship is obviously similar. Nothing the Patriots have been accused of has ever had any legitimately meaningful impact on the outcome of a play much less the outcome of any game. It's understandable that they're hated and because they're hated those things get overblown, but that irrationality aside, the franchises are like twins in a number of ways and it's been a pretty amazing to ride along with both of them during this stretch.

Think about how you rolled your eyes when people would somehow try to discount the Spurs first 4 championships by calling them "boring". As a Spurs fan you'd be like a) you're wrong and likely poorly informed if you genuinely think that but b) it doesn't matter to me if you know you're wrong or not because I like when they win championships more than I like you agreeing with me. That's a Pats fan when listening to bleatings of "cheaters."

Robert kraft is a bigger asshole. He wants to own football. Imagine the spurs but with Adam silver as the owner. We'd win more than five chips if that were the case.

I hated when bill parcels quit, joined the rival jets, and then the patriots hired his ugly looking assistant.

I hated them for being unable to build the team around Drew Bledsoe and bailing on both him and Pete Carroll due to the owner being unable to deliver a running game to compliment the teams talent.

I hate them for beating the rams. It's like the clippers beating the spurs last year if spurs were still running the beautiful offense. The world wanted more Kurt Warner not more Brady and the world wanted more 2014 spurs.


Really, the analogy ceased to have meaning when the spurs won in 2014 using a totally different style of play. The patriots are Tom Brady with a bunch of motivated scrubs. If you remove Brady (who is likely to be an all time great qb) you have scrubs....If the spurs hadn't recovered from Tim's decline it'd be similar. But I don't see Brady playing into his 40s and I don't see that team ever changing styles. That the spurs were able to move past the decline of their all time great player, means they are a true elite team rather than just a lucky one.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Pats are cheaters, Spurs aren't.

But no, I like Manning, he is very likeable guy where as Brady is an asshole. Manning is one of those guys who is easy to root for even if you aren't a fan of the team he is playing on.

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This. Plus I'm a Dolphins fan and despise the Pats on general principle.

The Patriots had a very different style of offense last year than they did in their earlier dynastic years. Tom Brady was not a statistical marvel when they won their 1st 3 and the offense has pivoted 2nd half of his career and became the team's strong suit. It's actually another way they're the same.

Also, Rob Gronkowski is without question the best tight end of all time, the gap between him and the 2nd best player at the position might wind up being the largest gap of all time in that league by the time he's done. Not exactly a scrub.

Belichick/Brady always reminded me far more of Phil/Kobe than Pop/Duncan.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Pats are cheaters, Spurs aren't.

But no, I like Manning, he is very likeable guy where as Brady is an asshole. Manning is one of those guys who is easy to root for even if you aren't a fan of the team he is playing on.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Belichick/Brady always reminded me far more of Phil/Kobe than Pop/Duncan.

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Originally Posted by K...

The patriots are Tom Brady with a bunch of motivated scrubs. If you remove Brady (who is likely to be an all time great qb) you have scrubs....

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Rob Gronkowski is without question the best tight end of all time, the gap between him and the 2nd best player at the position might wind up being the largest gap of all time in that league by the time he's done. Not exactly a scrub.

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Trust me, it's worse when K... talks about bball.

Taking a 5'10 QB from Kent State in the 7th round and turning him into a Pro Bowl WR as Belichick did with Julian Edelman is another Spurs-esque move similar to say plucking Danny Green out of the D-League and turning him into a championship-level starter or maybe taking Manu in the 2nd round and making him a Hall-of-Famer as a 6th man.

TB/BB is surely also a lot like Phil and Kobe in that both pairs won a championships with with the only constant in the rosters being the player/coach combo. Football being football, the Patriots don't and can't have the kind of continuity the Best Big Three Ever have had.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

Pats are cheaters, Spurs aren't.

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As I say, it's amusing to observe that opinion, especially when I get to be on the winning side for both teams as a fan regardless. I'm certainly not here to argue with fellow Spurs fans. Just adding the unique perspective that I can provide. I can assure you, it's much more rewarding to be a Spurs and Patriots fan than it is to be a Spurs fan and a Patriots hater.

A little bit of that, another bit because Brady is the Kobe of the NFL (he's great but gets overrated because of team success) and because the Patriots are a bunch of dislikeable cheating faggots, tbh.

The comparison has always been ridiculous. I rooted for the Broncos, but it was because of DeMarcus Ware. When the Pats came back, I found myself rooting for overtime.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

A little bit of that, another bit because Brady is the Kobe of the NFL (he's great but gets overrated because of team success) and because the Patriots are a bunch of dislikeable cheating faggots, tbh.

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You can thank Adam Vinatieri for that.

No. I am a Manning fan. Always root for the Broncos when he is playing. Used to live in Colorado and learned to like him a lot.

Because Brady is a faggot .

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Originally Posted by Fireball

No, I like Manning more than Brady ...

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^^^ This.

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Originally Posted by The Human Cow

Also, Rob Gronkowski is without question the best tight end of all time, the gap between him and the 2nd best player at the position might wind up being the largest gap of all time in that league by the time he's done. Not exactly a scrub.

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Before it's said and done he could very well end up the best TE of all times ahead of Gonzales etc. He is a force like the game has never seen and if he stays healthy he will hold a few records IMO. I am not a huge Pats fan but he is a beast.

So... he's the greatest winner in professional football history because it's him and a bunch of scrubs or he's only considered great because the team has had unparalleled success while he just happened to be there? Spurs fans you're disappointing me, I thought we were collectively smarter than this.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

A little bit of that, another bit because Brady is the Kobe of the NFL (he's great but gets overrated because of team success) and because the Patriots are a bunch of dislikeable cheating faggots, tbh.

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This in the context of your post made me LOL! You started out nice, somewhat civil, then BAM!!! Too funny!

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Originally Posted by steeledl

Because Brady is a faggot .

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You guys can't believe how often this kind of idiocy is among the idiocy that idiots put on display when idiots get mad about the Patriots.

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Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Having graduated from Alabama and being a Spurs fan I have always hated having my favorite college football and NBA team compared to the Patriots. They all have a long period of dominance that's true but neither the Spurs nor the Crimson Tide languish under a cloud of cheating, distrust and breaking the rules. People don't like it when you win but you don't here people fear that the Spurs or Alabama are actively cheating to do it. That plus I am a Ram's fan (Los Angeles and St Louis) and I will never believe that they didn't cheat to win that Super Bowl against us after the commissioner decided to burn all evidence in the Spygate investigation. (must have been pretty damn bad for a commissioner to do that). I had a anybody but Brady attitude about this playoffs.

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Same here man. Alabama graduate. How nice would it be to for the Spurs to win it all the same year Bama did? Roll Tide and GSG

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^^^ This.

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Legit opinion. Understandable. It's weird how skewed the view of Tom Brady is out there given what I get to know as a closer observer. I dream of a SportsCenter conversation or something on Real Sports with Brady, Timmy and a competent interviewer because they're the same competitive type and they always put team and winning and winning team culture first and their teammates revere them in the same way for that reason. The fun part is that that both come from the same unlikely space as far as becoming the best players in their generation, even if the swimmer from the V.I. was a #1 pick and the Catcher from California was a 6th round pick.

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Originally Posted by The Human Cow

Taking a 5'10 QB from Kent State in the 7th round and turning him into a Pro Bowl WR as Belichick did with Julian Edelman is another Spurs-esque move similar to say plucking Danny Green out of the D-League and turning him into a championship-level starter or maybe taking Manu in the 2nd round and making him a Hall-of-Famer as a 6th man.

TB/BB is surely also a lot like Phil and Kobe in that both pairs won a championships with with the only constant in the rosters being the player/coach combo. Football being football, the Patriots don't and can't have the kind of continuity the Best Big Three Ever have had.

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So was signing Chad Johnson to be a savior at WR their Richard Jefferson move?

Their most impressive has been turning Brady into an all time great at QB in the sixth round. That said, there are more examples of football players developing out of later rounds throughout the draft, while basketball players are much easier to pin coming into the league. In other words, you're much more likely to find a game changer at the end of the first round in the NFL than in the NBA. Being able to remain dominant despite having ZERO picks inside of #20 since 1997 is unbelievable - will be at least 20 years as they won't be top 19 this year.

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Same here man. Alabama graduate. How nice would it be to for the Spurs to win it all the same year Bama did? Roll Tide and GSG

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If the Spurs win it all this year, I will have to update all of my team gear. Got to get Los Angeles Rams gear, haven't had any for more than 18 years. New National Championship gear for Bama, and of course I would have to get more Spurs gear for 6. :lobt2::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:. Best money ever spent is on stuff to celebrate when your team wins it all, from magazines, hats, banners and clothes.

I respect the Pats success and didn't have a lot invested. I was really happy to see Broncos win. Manning is definitely more likable too.

:flag:Yeah Spurs just pulled away a bit as the most winning team in all sports in the last 15 years!!

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If the Spurs win it all this year, I will have to update all of my team gear. Got to get Los Angeles Rams gear, haven't had any for more than 18 years. New National Championship gear for Bama, and of course I would have to get more Spurs gear for 6. :lobt2::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:. Best money ever spent is on stuff to celebrate when your team wins it all, from magazines, hats, banners and clothes.

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Yea I'm looking to get one of those new black Alabama jackets (the same one Kiffin wore in the national championship). I have a few Spurs shirts but need to update. I did have a Robert Horry Spurs jersey but I have no idea what happened to it.

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So was signing Chad Johnson to be a savior at WR their Richard Jefferson move?

Their most impressive has been turning Brady into an all time great at QB in the sixth round. That said, there are more examples of football players developing out of later rounds throughout the draft, while basketball players are much easier to pin coming into the league. In other words, you're much more likely to find a game changer at the end of the first round in the NFL than in the NBA. Being able to remain dominant despite having ZERO picks inside of #20 since 1997 is unbelievable - will be at least 20 years as they won't be top 19 this year.

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The Chad Johnson signing is more comparable to Tracy McGrady than to RJ. Ocho was never expected to have much of a role beyond being a veteran who might have a mile and a half or two left in the tank and did not last long in Foxboro.

I hope it's clear but can see where it wouldn't be, nobody here respects what the Spurs have done more than I do. It's just closer to the Patriots than your personal feelings about them may allow for you to recognize since you don't pay attention to both equally as closely and I do so I'm here in this thread to give the perspective of a Spurs fan for going on 40 years and a diehard Patriots fan as well. Mostly this is just serving as a fine distraction from the frustration of yesterday and the anticipation for tonight and for that I thank you guys.

So glad to hear all this Patriots jealousy. Being a fan it always puts a smile on my face. Thank you :p:

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The Chad Johnson signing is more comparable to Tracy McGrady than to RJ.

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Truth bomb.

The Eagles signing DeMarco Murray was more comparable to RJ than anything else, tbh...

The comparisons - the reasons for the comparisons - are valid. It's an analogy... they don't have to be identical. If they were identical, they'd be the same team, and it wouldn't be an analogy. Oh, and you can't ignore the fact that both coaches are absolute assholes in interviews. That's a similarity they usually don't say out loud, but you know most people are thinking it.

I still like Peyton Manning more than Brady. I hate his asshole brother Eli, but I like Peyton. And I really, really hope Peyton can pull out one last win and shut Cam Newton up for a while.

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Originally Posted by GSH

The comparisons - the reasons for the comparisons - are valid. It's an analogy... they don't have to be identical. If they were identical, they'd be the same team, and it wouldn't be an analogy. Oh, and you can't ignore the fact that both coaches are absolute assholes in interviews. That's a similarity they usually don't say out loud, but you know most people are thinking it.

I still like Peyton Manning more than Brady. I hate his asshole brother Eli, but I like Peyton. And I really, really hope Peyton can pull out one last win and shut Cam Newton up for a while.

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What's wrong with Eli? I like Eli.

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Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016

Truth bomb.

The Eagles signing DeMarco Murray was more comparable to RJ than anything else, tbh...

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That one hits too close to home as an Eagles fan. At least the Pats have four Super Bowls.

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Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Having graduated from Alabama and being a Spurs fan I have always hated having my favorite college football and NBA team compared to the Patriots. They all have a long period of dominance that's true but neither the Spurs nor the Crimson Tide languish under a cloud of cheating, distrust and breaking the rules. People don't like it when you win but you don't here people fear that the Spurs or Alabama are actively cheating to do it. That plus I am a Ram's fan (Los Angeles and St Louis) and I will never believe that they didn't cheat to win that Super Bowl against us after the commissioner decided to burn all evidence in the Spygate investigation. (must have been pretty damn bad for a commissioner to do that). I had a anybody but Brady attitude about this playoffs.

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that's cool to see others who can't stand the patriots, in the NFL Forum I figure it's mainly just a few of us.

I've always hated the Spurs/pats comparison. What Spurs have accomplished is special imo, whereas pats have built something off of the shadiness and brilliance of Belichick and Ernie Adams. One day more shit about them will be exposed. They're a very successful team, but they've gotten away with a lot imo.

I've been a Manning fan since the early 00's, I just liked that he eschewed those stupid armband cheat sheets and later began calling his own plays to great success. He's not been perfect but he's elevated the game big time, plus is a funny and good person overall.

If nothing else, not having to deal with cheatriots douchebaggery at my SB party is such a great feeling, I really can't complain.
btw was I the only one who thought Brady got away with like 3-4 intentional groundings in that game? :lol

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Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016

What's wrong with Eli? I like Eli.

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LOL... I'm not a fan, but I like him better than Cam Newton.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

that's cool to see others who can't stand the patriots, in the NFL Forum I figure it's mainly just a few of us.

I've always hated the Spurs/pats comparison. What Spurs have accomplished is special imo, whereas pats have built something off of the shadiness and brilliance of Belichick and Ernie Adams. One day more shit about them will be exposed. They're a very successful team, but they've gotten away with a lot imo.

I've been a Manning fan since the early 00's, I just liked that he eschewed those stupid armband cheat sheets and later began calling his own plays to great success. He's not been perfect but he's elevated the game big time, plus is a funny and good person overall.

If nothing else, not having to deal with cheatriots douchebaggery at my SB party is such a great feeling, I really can't complain.
btw was I the only one who thought Brady got away with like 3-4 intentional groundings in that game? :lol

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So a Peyton fan talking about cheating? My bad, those were his wife's PED's

Not really a Pats fan but I was rooting for them just so the haters would get upset.

Spurs/Pats comparisons are legit and I do have to respect what the Patriots have accomplished even though I don't really care one way or another about them.

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That one hits too close to home as an Eagles fan. At least the Pats have four Super Bowls.

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You're stuck with him for what...3 more years? At that salary? :lmao

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Originally Posted by The Human Cow

Also, Rob Gronkowski is without question the best tight end of all time, the gap between him and the 2nd best player at the position might wind up being the largest gap of all time in that league by the time he's done. Not exactly a scrub.

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:lmao This faggot clearly just started watching football in 2001 and doesn't watch unless the Cheatriots are playing. Claiming Gronkowski is the greatest tight end of all time is absurd. I'd take Gonzalez, Sharpe, Mackey, Ditka, Winslow or Gates in their primes easily over Gronk.

Gronk plays in an era where defense isn't allowed and looks like the Hulk compared to any player asked to cover him, yet every time he drops a pass, he throws his hands up and starts screaming at the refs for a call like Harden in the lane. He also has to resort to pushing off on half of his catches. He's a dumb meathead faggot who gets sucked dry by the media because he plays in their beloved Boston.

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Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016

You're stuck with him for what...3 more years? At that salary? :lmao

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Really just one before they can have SOME cap savings cutting him. Most of the mess is guaranteed money next year and not a signing bonus, which is the silver lining.

Thankfully Howie has kept the cap really clean outside of Demarco (I'm actually fine with Maxwell). Nothing like the mess that Dallas managed itself out of and the Saints are deep in.

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Really just one before they can have SOME cap savings cutting him. Most of the mess is guaranteed money next year and not a signing bonus, which is the silver lining.

Thankfully Howie has kept the cap really clean outside of Demarco (I'm actually fine with Maxwell). Nothing like the mess that Dallas managed itself out of and the Saints are deep in.

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Dallas managed itself out of it, in large part due to cutting ties with, first Ware and now Murray. Signing promising, productive young value players to smaller, long-term deals instead of not extending them and waiting for them to shine on their contract year and expecting bigger paydays. Dallas isn't that far off from contender status again next year, they need to shore up just a few positions this offseason (they're well under the cap) and Romo needs to stay healthy of course. A better backup QB signed (say, Griffin) might net them wins instead of losses if, say, Romo misses 1 to 3 games like he did in 2014. I think Dallas takes the East in 2016 barring another big Romo injury.

Eagles are farther away. Aside from addressing quarterback (I don't believe in Bradford at all), the other big elephant is that you need to rebuild your offensive line, which is a painstaking process that usually takes more than one year to solve. Your secondary is somewhat improved over 2014, but you could use help in that area. And your receiving corps is pretty mediocre, too. Add the coaching change in there (which I don't think should have happened) and you've got yourselves probably a down year next year.

Giants are a long ways away now after firing Tom Coughlin. I could definitely see a down year or a, say, 6 win year if they're (un)lucky only due to the Eli-Beckham tandem being able to pull out a few games on its own. Their offensive line is average at best, Reuben Randle is gone... but that's only the offense. As for defense, their defense is probably the worst if not one of the worst in the NFL. No more pass rushers, have to make a decision on the guy with 3 fingers left on his strong hand, secondary is terrible, linebacking corps is terrible... should I go on? I see them probably last place in the East in 2016, but you never know in the NFL.

Redskins won the division in essence by default last year, but don't exactly have much of a recent history of repeating their success. Kirk Cousins is an average to slightly above average QB with a good receiving corps... unfortunately for Washington, Cousins is going to get paid this offseason and they're going to have to make some sacrifices. Their run defense isn't very good, they're prone to getting tired and beat out, nobody sticks out as a great player and enforcer on that side of the ball... offense tends to be inconsistent in big games... etc. I see them finishing second place in the East as of now.

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Legit opinion. Understandable. It's weird how skewed the view of Tom Brady is out there given what I get to know as a closer observer. I dream of a SportsCenter conversation or something on Real Sports with Brady, Timmy and a competent interviewer because they're the same competitive type and they always put team and winning and winning team culture first and their teammates revere them in the same way for that reason. The fun part is that that both come from the same unlikely space as far as becoming the best players in their generation, even if the swimmer from the V.I. was a #1 pick and the Catcher from California was a 6th round pick.

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Not a Brady Hater at all though and respect his edge and motivation. He is easily up there all times and a fierce competitor.

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:lmao This faggot clearly just started watching football in 2001 and doesn't watch unless the Cheatriots are playing. Claiming Gronkowski is the greatest tight end of all time is absurd. I'd take Gonzalez, Sharpe, Mackey, Ditka, Winslow or Gates in their primes easily over Gronk.

Gronk plays in an era where defense isn't allowed and looks like the Hulk compared to any player asked to cover him, yet every time he drops a pass, he throws his hands up and starts screaming at the refs for a call like Harden in the lane. He also has to resort to pushing off on half of his catches. He's a dumb meathead faggot who gets sucked dry by the media because he plays in their beloved Boston.

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My parents did a better job than your parents.

Oh and your opinion is wrong.

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Originally Posted by james evans

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according to the site the Rams aren't that bad at cheating, just dinged on steroid players and stuff that applies to every team in the league, but I am dubious of a site that has the Patriots at slightly lower than average when it comes to cheating. :nope

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Originally Posted by lefty

I think almond milk is a scam

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It's not