"simmons looked wildly out of control the whole time"
yep, out of control defines Simmons. lots of talent, and yes, aggressive, but not much BBIQ
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"simmons looked wildly out of control the whole time"
yep, out of control defines Simmons. lots of talent, and yes, aggressive, but not much BBIQ
Kyle is very hesitant and not wanting to force his shots, waiting for "open" shots (the spurs mantra), and wanting to move the ball. The passing in particular is probably the main reason he was drafted and I think the Spurs want him to keep developing that, but Pop has also been very critical of his shot selection, when precisely one of his best attributes is that he can force his shots against most perimeter players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Did you know about 60% of his attempts are self generated? He can get his shots, that is what is frustrating. Which is also why I wanted Pop to let him struggle out there. He was looking terrible for a few minutes, ok. But he's out of the rotation, and he's been coddled. Pop has brought him along slowly but he's 22, and has to learn. There are things you can't teach in practice, like the pressure of a game like this. Pop isn't going to throw away any game to develop him, but since it was a blowout anyways, why not let him struggle a little bit, let him figure things out. Pop did that to a very large degree with Simmons, but then let Manu out there for too long a time.
-Aldridge pussed out.
-Duncan in the post is not so much about scoring, it's about settling the team down and his ability to survey the defense and make the right pass.
That is why Pop let him there, mistakes be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse
Neither LMA nor Kawhi really has that. But Timmy is an all time great.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
Even Diaw looked out of sorts this game.
The only reason I think Manu was on the court a lot was he was trying to figure out the defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Clearly though, GS offense can overwhelm Spurs conservative defense. What was also interesting is where the GS perimeter defenses were guarding the Spurs players. They had them standing at the 3 point line.
The Spurs cannot win against the Dubs if they attempt only 14 shots vs 26 by the Dubs.
Pop has been working on this experiment of going back to a post up game, but I honestly don't have a lot of faith that it can beat the style of play of GS. Spurs need bigger guards and maybe the fact that Butler has the best +/- is an indicator of what may be needed.
You are right. Very good observation on the defense. Since precisely we have so many mid range shooters this season. It was surprising LMA was forced to take his first shot at the 3 pt line, when he hasn't been shooting 3s and that is not part of his offense that we have seen this season. What a conundrum that they are giving away the 3, to our guys who want to drive (like Simmons) or take midrange shots, like Anderson, while also completely taking Danny out of his game. Butler has played really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
GSW flat out executed what they wanted to do, and we didn't starting with LMA obviously.
My guess is they don't have confidence that Parker/Mills can guard the 3 spot anymore so they tried to keep them on Curry to see what would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Patty is the really the issue here. If he's not hitting a ton of shots, he just can't be out there. I know that Cory couldn't be kept, but it would have been nice to see him out there last night. I don't think he'd've defended Curry much better (he was very streaky defensively when he was in SA), but he could have been able to do more with the ball, and maybe he could have checked Klay or Iggy. Failing to get a legit third-string PG hurt them here. (And no, Spurtacular, Jimmer would have been worse.)
The Spurs also missed a healthy Splitter in this game. There was literally no PnR game last night, and the lack of a seven-footer and defensive-minded player meant the team was relying on their perimeter defenders to prevent penetration, and that's not really what they are used to (though it is what they're coached to do now).
Anderson deserved Simmons' minutes. I have no idea how people came out of that game thinking Simmons deserved the start. He was a hot mess in team D, and his driving is like the last thing you want against GS. Kyle's midrange game, passing, length and instincts, on the other hand, would be very useful.
But unless LMA is going to be better on defense, there's really nothing the Spurs can do. He simply can't be the one who sits in a small-ball lineup. He just freaking can't.
I'm not going to fully judge the defense, since the 32 points off turnovers and abundance of transition opportunities really killed the Spurs' D, but I thought it was very evident that the Warriors were intent on exploiting Parker/Mills in the halfcourt, along with the lack of interior D..Aldridge and West were a disaster, defensively..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
And ya, I agree about Simmons..his team D is Belineli-esque, but masked by his athleticism..
The offense was more of a concern for me..it's tough to play defense and slow the pace down when you're turning the ball over at such a ridiculous rate..
Of course Duncan is a better option than aldridge. TD can actually pass off a post play. I can smell a duncan pass a mile away though. Hell usually try to "attack" further away from the basket to encourage the slight help but nkt far enough to not make.a shot..something a lesser talent lile Aldridge would never understand and do.
Warriors completely dictated the pace, too..
103 pace, which is even higher than the Warriors' average, and way higher than the Spurs usual 94..
Pretty short good list tbh, I defend Parker sometimes but can't after that imo
I cant for the life of understand how anyone who waatched the game last night think simmons is a good defender. He was so poor last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I dont understand why Fans stupidly think "energy" athletic ability makes you a good defender. There are so many fans.who think simmons did a great job defensively. I dont even understand how anyone can come with that conclusion.
Simmons just isn't ready for primetime with those handles and that desire to drive headlong into danger. The other turnovers were Green being completely abandoned by his teammates who cleared out for him for some reason and by the Spurs essentially "playing the play" and allowing the Warriors to jump the predictable passes. In that way, it was like the 2013 Finals. The Spurs just need to calm down and take the extra second to see where the defense is coming from before making the pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
They're also posting up wrong. They should just shoot over Green, not try to back him down. Don't they know physics at all? That's the same reason why Durant kept getting cucked by Green in 2014. Height by itself is a disadvantage in the low post (higher center of gravity making it hard to move things below it), but it's pretty much unstoppable in a face-up mid-post touch. It seemed like only West understood that they needed to start hitting their jumpers before trying to go inside. You'd think the Spurs would be anticipating that after signing two midrange bigs.
I don't think they even tried to get anyone open off screens in this game. Sure, I saw them run the Loop a couple of times, but I didn't like the off-ball movement. Kawhi did well when he was decisive, but he's not going to have long-term success posting the Warriors as the primary option. If he has his man pinned, he just needs to go for it. But a play where he's going to receive a normal entry pass for a clear-out isn't going to work.
I mean, there were times where I was like, "Oh that was a good move." But yeah, he didn't really have it. Especially not to the point that Pop benched Green early in the third for Simmons (I missed the first minute of the second half, so I have no idea what Danny did). I also would have liked to see what McCallum could have done against Curry, since it was essentially a free-for-all after like four minutes of the third.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
I only saw one. That was the play after a time out when the Spurs double picked Green and Curry and Mills knocked down his only shot of the game. But after that, only Boban started setting screens, even then they weren't anything by design, just him arbitrarily doing it. Spurs really didn't run any plays this game which tells me Pop wasn't looking to win it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I really don't know what Green did to get benched, even after re-watching it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
They ran Curry/Draymond p&r with Green defending Thompson on the perimeter..Parker gave up easy penetration, Draymond had the lane, West went to help, which left Bogut as the receiver with the chance for a dunk..Green came over to help, but he wasn't going to successfully block or alter a Bogut dunk..
I guess Pop wanted Danny to give Klay the open 3 instead? :lol
He probably just wanted to get him out of the game for whatever reason, it couldn't have been due to a mistake..
Green actually made the one three he took in relevant minutes and defended pretty well. I'm not going to make another thread on how Pop is being cute again with his danny treatment but he really os overcoaching. There is no reason for simmons and other players to eat a chunk.of his minutes in this kind of matchup when he was clearly playing confident on both ends of the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I just dont get it. Ive accepted the fact that Pop overcoaches and tries to be cute sometimes and that its probably one of his weakness as a great coach.
Oh, Golden State is a great transition team..lets take out an elite transition defender for a low IQ defensive player. Makes perfect sense.
Parker was terrible last night but he hardly called plays for himself. They only run the loop once. He really was overwhelmed. Even when he had the opportunity to run the loop with ezeli down low he just conceded. He got shook.
Made a thread before the game how important it is for him to attack when the situation calls for it but he clealry didnt have the confidencd to attack after getting embarrased by Draymond-Bogut..missed opportunities in the 2nd quarter.
parker hip could be bothering him more but tp talked his way into playing
He looked fine, physically, just struggled the same way everybody else did..hopefully he shows up in the March games, Spurs need him to perform, since Patty is a huge liability against this team..Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
You didn't see the fear in Kyles eyes? He is not ready to play with the big boys on the big stage......yet! He is way to passive for these types of games.
Parker looked pathetic out there last night; I wish Kyle would sack up and play with fire and urgency!!