Quick Notes..

Doesn't matter if Simmons is poor defensively now, someone will have to step up to play because Mills should be benched against this team, and most teams.

Whether it's Simmons or Anderson or Butler, the spurs should just go big in the backcourt and keep Mills out.

Lineups with Diaw as the center and Kawhi as the 4 must be in play.

Parker I guess deserves a chance to see if he can be hidden on Barnes otherwise there just isn't room for him or Patty against Warriors best lineups and it must be Manu-Green-Simmons or Kyle-Kawhi-Diaw (LMA if he proves himself).

Parker will give us nothing on D against the Dubs and it looks like LMA won't either. If they can't drop 20 a piece againat the dubs then the Spurs are fucked. Sure our D has been great all season but sometimes great D isn't enough. Especially against a historic offense like the Dubs.

biggest issue is turnovers imo. no matter what you ain't beating anyone on the road with 26 (or more?) turnovers especially the defending champs. that's your game right there

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

- Parker and Mills aren't going to become 6'3" by May

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This.

I actually think Parker and Mills tried their best. But, they looked like high school kids against grown men. Not their fault...it is what it is.

GS not only attacked TP but LMA as well. It seemed pretty deliberate to me. LMA has to be better on both ends. Kawhi too. The fact is SA went all in with those two & I'm confident they have enough support on both ends in a series but Kawhi/LMA are the Spurs advantage. If they don't perform SA will not win. There's a lot more too it than that (meaning the "how" of putting LMA/Kawhi in spots to be successful) but that's the truth.

Also, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that was a real defensive game plan. Not for anytime and definitely not for the Warriors. Spurs, even w Duncan, don't have the players to play some bs scramble mode defense. Especially not vs GS. It was quite ridiculous to begin with and looked like 4 year olds on a soccer field just swarming to the ball. No defense can sustain doubles at the frequency the Spurs used last night. It not only causes breakdowns but tires you out.

Spurs will definitely & should play more straight up. Curry gets one man with maybe some weighted shade to his side of the court but it's imperative you shut everyone else down. Again more to it, but last night was a damn joke & was really embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

GS not only attacked TP but LMA as well. It seemed pretty deliberate to me. LMA has to be better on both ends. Kawhi too. The fact is SA went all in with those two & I'm confident they have enough support on both ends in a series but Kawhi/LMA are the Spurs advantage. If they don't perform SA will not win. There's a lot more too it than that (meaning the "how" of putting LMA/Kawhi in spots to be successful) but that's the truth.

Also, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that was a real defensive game plan. Not for anytime and definitely not for the Warriors. Spurs, even w Duncan, don't have the players to play some bs scramble mode defense. Especially not vs GS. It was quite ridiculous to begin with and looked like 4 year olds on a soccer field just swarming to the ball. No defense can sustain doubles at the frequency the Spurs used last night. It not only causes breakdowns but tires you out.

Spurs will definitely & should play more straight up. Curry gets one man with maybe some weighted shade to his side of the court but it's imperative you shut everyone else down. Again more to it, but last night was a damn joke & was really embarrassing.

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Basically this. Spurs might lose a potential series vs GS but last night was in no way indicative of how it'll go.

There were some bad doubles. Like there was one where Kawhi doubled Iggy and left Klay open under the basket. Sean was crying about no one helping Leonard, but I have no idea why Kawhi helped in the first place. Who cares if Iggy is trying to back down Parker in the short corner (12 feet from the rim)? That's like the best-case scenario. It's even worse because Leonard wasn't even affecting the play. He just lost Thompson after taking a couple of steps toward Iggy.

Leonard did some weird doubles that led to easy baskets. Any other night and Leonard is on the bench for it. The fact he did it a few times with no reaction from Pop makes me think it was deliberate.

The Spurs were being manhandled and didn't have a response to the hyper-aggressive defense by the Warriors. Parker and Ginobili often looked like it was just all too quick and too much for them. LMA has to play better than this if the Spurs want to have a chance at beating GS - but his teammates also have to do a better job at getting him involved offensively.
Draymond Green was the best playmaker on the floor, with Curry being the best ballhandler and (obviously) the best shooter out there.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Warriors completely dictated the pace, too..

103 pace, which is even higher than the Warriors' average, and way higher than the Spurs usual 94..

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This was the biggest surprise, it wasn't even like they dictated the pace, we just played right into their hands. We gave them 85 shots and 25 FTs while they still had 21 turnovers :lol

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Originally Posted by Splits

This was the biggest surprise, it wasn't even like they dictated the pace, we just played right into their hands. We gave them 85 shots and 25 FTs while they still had 21 turnovers :lol

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Double or nothing on the 20.00 for tonight's Lakers?

Usual bet. Kobe 40% on min. 10 shots. I got the over.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Double or nothing on the 20.00 for tonight's Lakers?

Usual bet. Kobe 40% on min. 10 shots. I got the over.

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Aren't we even after last night?

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Originally Posted by Splits

Aren't we even after last night?

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I broke even with you on the last bet actually.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

I broke even with you on the last bet actually.

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Alright, I'll do 10 for tonight.

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Originally Posted by Splits

Alright, I'll do 10 for tonight.

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:tu

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Originally Posted by Splits

Aren't we even after last night?

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Just to let you know I'm not trying to pull a fast one like Luva:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8324049

I was 20.00 down, and then 10.00 down after Kirbs came through for me in that game http://www.basketball-reference.com/...512150LAL.html.

And I broke even with this one:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8355043

You gave me 24 and the Shitshow actually covered.

Admins, I've been banned for over a year from making threads. Please forgive, this is absurd and ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

And I broke even with this one:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8355043

You gave me 24 and the Shitshow actually covered.

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That's where I was confused. I thought I gave you 8: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8355061

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Originally Posted by testies

Admins, I've been banned for over a year from making threads. Please forgive, this is absurd and ridiculous.

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Bend over, I'll show you absurd and ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Splits

That's where I was confused. I thought I gave you 8: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8355061

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Oh shit :lol

I thought you were referring to Kobe's old school number or something and read it as an abbreviated Number 8 rather than No. 8.

I would've never made that bet only getting 8 points. But it's cool. My mistake for not asking you to clarify.

We'll go into tonight even.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Oh shit :lol

I thought you were referring to Kobe's old school number or something and read it as an abbreviated Number 8 rather than No. 8.

I would've never made that bet only getting 8 points. But it's cool. My mistake for not asking you to clarify.

We'll go into tonight even.

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:lol there was a thread that day about the Lakers retiring both #24 and #8 so I was (attempting to) play off of that.

Let's just cancel that one, split the difference? You're down $10 and we go double or nothing on that $10 tonight?

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Originally Posted by Splits

:lol there was a thread that day about the Lakers retiring both #24 and #8 so I was (attempting to) play off of that.

Let's just cancel that one, split the difference? You're down $10 and we go double or nothing on that $10 tonight?

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Wouldn't I'd be up 10.00 after winning last night's 20.00 bet? (I was 20.00 into you before the Bucks game where Kirbs covered and got me down to 10.00).

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Patty is the really the issue here. If he's not hitting a ton of shots, he just can't be out there. I know that Cory couldn't be kept, but it would have been nice to see him out there last night. I don't think he'd've defended Curry much better (he was very streaky defensively when he was in SA), but he could have been able to do more with the ball, and maybe he could have checked Klay or Iggy. Failing to get a legit third-string PG hurt them here. (And no, Spurtacular, Jimmer would have been worse.)

The Spurs also missed a healthy Splitter in this game. There was literally no PnR game last night, and the lack of a seven-footer and defensive-minded player meant the team was relying on their perimeter defenders to prevent penetration, and that's not really what they are used to (though it is what they're coached to do now).

Anderson deserved Simmons' minutes. I have no idea how people came out of that game thinking Simmons deserved the start. He was a hot mess in team D, and his driving is like the last thing you want against GS. Kyle's midrange game, passing, length and instincts, on the other hand, would be very useful.

But unless LMA is going to be better on defense, there's really nothing the Spurs can do. He simply can't be the one who sits in a small-ball lineup. He just freaking can't.

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We completely see eye to eye. I loved Anderson at the 4, against Draymond. When he was there, he switched adequately as needed and communicated on defense. The minutes he played, the defensive situation was improved, except that GSW attacked Tony relentlessly with whoever was on him, and there was nothing we could do about Tony being a problem defensively.

I didn't think he played poorly. He forced some shots, but listen, Pop already wanted ppl to show balls, and LMA and Tony had really not shown up. So I can live with an Anderson forced up shot, that really he was fouled on, but it wasn't called. Meanwhile on the other end they were calling the stupidest stuff on Danny.

I am glad Simmons played bc he needs the experience, but so does Anderson and it is my one gripe and whine with Pop. I have a suspicion Anderson will be one of those guys we don't use much this season. Then next season he's a difference maker and everyone will be like "ahh, why didn't Pop use that guy b4"

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Wouldn't I'd be up 10.00 after winning last night's 20.00 bet? (I was 20.00 into you before the Bucks game where Kirbs covered and got me down to 10.00).

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Yes, you're right, my bad.