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See ya Ray.
CJ? Another Portland player biting the dust.
CJ or Ray :lol
Of course they hang on to Bonner! :lol
Well he only played like the last 2 minutes tonight with a heavy heart knowing he wasn't going to make it to midnight, so it's a good think Pop didn't let him play much and screw the pooch.
Ray. Too much booze. Saturday night, etc etc. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
:lmao FkLA
:lmao Ray >>>> Rique
:lmao figured it was worth getting banned just to spam that
With you on that. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Wish him the best. Tough to lose a second round pick though but we should be fine.
damn. my nigga Ray Ray.
hopefully McCallum gets a shot somewhere else or back with the Spurs.
Pop bringing in another TOSB? you aren't beating the warriors with 100 year old Miller :bang
Wait and see who gets cut after the Martin thing is finalized. They still haven't bought him out yet, but they will inevitably... and from there we have to choose between Anderson/Simmons/Bonner/Butler to sacrifice. I would sacrifice Anderson, honestly, because I see potential in Simmons, and Butler is solid on defense... but Butler might be the most redundant with Martin, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
From CoJo to McCallum to Andre Miller. Holy shit, did we downgrade from last season. :lol
Good luck to him. Class act the whole time he was here, he'll get another chance on another team.
Yea it was a low-risk, low-reward move trading a 2nd rounder for Ray. Didn't work out but I think it's the right move tbh. Best of luck to him in his future.
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Originally Posted by HI-FI
Yeah, no complaints with him. He came into the game ready when called. Just gotta suck to be a youngster waived for a 40 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
as I've said before... 2nd round picks aren't in the NBA what they are in the NFL. For the Spurs this is even more true as we usually draft eurotrash with our 2nds that ends up remaining over there long term or forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Why the fuck are posting this here..Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Damn, I'll miss Black Ollie throwing half footers over the rim.
Happens all the time in the real world of business. Rookie financial analysts get axed all the time in favor of someone who just left another company and is bringing 17 years of experience to the table. Sucks, but it's a shitty world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darius Bieber
Why would you keep Ray over Bonner? He's the fourth PG vs. This guy was no more valuable than Austin Spurs Daye
can't look at that in a vacuum.. we also got LMA for Shitter who's been injured all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
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Originally Posted by BatManu20
Is he able to sign with the Austin Spurs if he clears waivers ? I'm pretty sure someone might offer him something but hopefully the Spurs offer him a guaranteed contract next season if he signs.
He said "Ray Ray". I reminisced.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Spurs never should've made that trade. Ray wasn't better than the players they could pick up on the market, like Jimmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
He has video evidence of Pop starring in a German shit fetish flick and will leak it if they ever get rid of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
bonner will be let go of soon for martinQuote:
Originally Posted by cjw
I don't think fans have enough data to really evaluate him. I liked what I saw, but Pop saw him every day in practice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
The way Butler payed tonight, don't be so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
A D-League team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Darn, hate to see Butty go... would rather get rid of Andershit, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
total idiot post.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
WTF is Butty? I done gave this dude two nicknames. Corpse and Black Ollie. Fucking use one; don't be pulling some random shit out of your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
awesome. just what i wanted. i suggested the spurs waive him and sign miller minutes before that news broke.
now let's waive bonner and sign martin.
how did bonner play tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
oh wait he hasn't played since february 5 (3 minutes in that game)
TBF, he may have thought he was signed into another apa account.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Touché! :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Reg season, that could pay some dividends. But I'd rather have an extra big than a non rotation guard who can't play defense come the playoffs. I guess he could hit FTs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
Butler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
I thought McCallum was Black Ollie...
He also suggested Manu getting cut earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Wtf? nope. Anderson sucks and it's plainly obvious to see. He won't even shoot a wide open corner 3, he always dribbles in slowly and has to pass it back out or take a poor midrange shot because of his own bashfulness. And we he does take the corner 3... it bounces off the side of the backboard. And he's a below average defender. Don't like him at all. Most people on here don't, either, except maybe one female poster on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Hope for the best for Ray. He's a good dude tbh. Surely a shitty team like PHX can use his services ?
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I wasn't the first to bring it up. Someone else said Ginobili was done and might be a candidate to get cut if Pop would only open his eyes. I don't think it's a realistic possibility but if he's out for the season there's no use carrying dead weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fathead is a decent rotation player / play maker. It's not that what you say doesn't have truth to it; but when I look at where he was drafted, the Spurs made the right pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
This made Jimmertacular's night I'm sure.
Oh, I didn't know you were talking about Ralph. Butty makes sense.....Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
I hope he ends signing with the Knicks and Jimmer ends up getting cut :lol
He's a bone in our offense and doesn't really make up for it on defense, either. Rather have Luke Richard Mbah-a-Moute if we're going to have someone like that who stinks up our offense. At least that dude makes corner 3s at a decent clip (only corner 3s though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Not really, tbh. I make fun of Black Ollie out of obligation. In neither case did he deserve the spot over Jimmer. But he can be a serviceable NBA player. I wish him well.Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
:lol where do you get these dumb nicknames from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Philly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
And Black Ollie was good for contrasting what the Spurs could've had in Jimmer. Now, it'll be more abstract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Why does Jimmer even deserve an NBA spot at all? He's basically Dan Dickau 2.0. 5'10" (generously) and all he really can do with any effectiveness is shoot 3s. Tends to struggle with dribbling inside every other time he tries to penetrate, decent passer, too short/unathletic to finish near the rim in the NBA with any consistency. A sieve on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
I just figured someone so bland wasn't worthy of a made up name; even if it is a shitty name. I could call him Butt if you want. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Where do you derive "Ralph" from "Rasual" or "Butler"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
good luck ray
That's not true; he's a great play maker. He's not a great open court dribbler; but that dissipates in the half court when overplaying him leads to a lot of easy twos.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
Dan Dickau 2.0 :lol
I don't know if that guy got the short end of the stick or not, ultimately. I thought he was a good player though.
And what could Ray do that was so important?
Who are you referring to in the bolded part? Fredette or Dickau?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
&& McCallum was a decent defender. Having Jimmer in the game = a hole in your defense every time down the court.
Dickau. I think he played before the multi media exploded. I got the feeling he could've made it in the right situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
McCallum wasn't any better of a defender than Jimmer was. They were virtually the same. It's just easy for people to assume that the white guy who isn't a good defender is total sh** more than the next guy.
look, I'm white, (5'10") and am probably worse than him because I'm not an amazing shooter but I'm good at pulling 3s out of my ass, making hustle plays, communication on defense, and very good at rotating to prevent open shots. Do you want me on your NBA team? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Bottom line is I don't think either one really fits except in garbage time. Not even the Steve Kerr role, nothing. Steve Kerr, at least, was a legit 6'2"-6'3".
I think you're delusional to be comparing yourself to Jimmer or any NBA player, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
The reason anyone has a hard time filling the Kerr role is that Kerr did one thing; and he did it probably better than anyone in NBA history; made wide open threes. He looked to make a couple in fifteen to twenty minutes; and he was allowed to do that consistently. That's pretty rare, tbh.
"Bbbbut who are they gonna waive gaiz?"
No disrespect but I rather keep Ray.
Ray sucked. He rarely suited up. I don't get the disappointment. He wasn't good enough to let Parker rest.
Miller's game has aged well because he was never over relying on athleticism in the first place. I think he fits the Spurs well. He knows how to keep the ball moving and can post in a pinch. This was not the undersized McCallum.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurtech09
That's true. I hadn't even thought about it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
:lol Andre Miller is extremely ball-dominant..he doesn't know how to keep the ball moving..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Getting assists doesn't = moving the ball in a team setting
Ball dominant? He's always been a pass first PG. He'll bring something to the table. We just don't know exactly how well he'll fit in. But if he is asked to play a wing role, then his bad three shooting could be his downfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Do you understand what ball-dominant means...? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
CP3 and Rondo are two of the most ball-dominant players in the NBA, and both of them are pass-first PGs.
In a sense dribble, dribble, dribble is keeping the ball moving. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
This will be a kind of glimpse of our offense with Tony 3 years down the road. :lol
Yea, I didn't exactly address his claim. I don't think Miller is near anywhere that ball dominant. Unlike them, he plays well off the ball and can be a guy who makes the swing pass. I just don't know if his lack of shooting prowess won't be his real undoing in the Spurs system.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
That's because I just told you the good about me. The bad: I can't guard anyone in the post more than 30 pounds heavier for shit, and I weigh 130-135 pounds. I can only stop dribble penetration by quick guys if they're under 6'3" and under 170. Best I can do there is foul or flop. I do foul a lot to stop easy buckets. I often lose the ball on offensive penetrations when anyone competent and remotely quick guards me. When I do get inside, I have to rely on floaters because I'm certainly not tall or strong enough to muscle shots at the basket over tall defenders. I tend to have major troubles bringing the ball up the court against fullcourt pressure. Needless to say, I wouldn't last 5 minutes in the D-League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
But, even I would have been competent enough to guard against the open 3 from the guy who lost his shoe.
& you're correct on Kerr. That, and he wasn't completely horrid on defense, though not great by any means he did make some hustle plays and his BBIQ was pretty good.
I'd rather bring back Jacque Vaughn.
Slow- fat PG who can't shoot, can't move, can't defend makes no sense unless RC/ Pop are intrigued with what his brain can offer pregame and post game.
We already have a ball dominant pg, so nothing chAnges on that end, except some of those minutes we will now have someone who can take advantage of all our cutting and huddling down the court. He will eat Tony's minutes, not mills.
Wow sorry for Ray. Specially bc Bonner is injured and hasn't really helped in any regular game all season but he's all about being a good teammate and continuity with the core.
I suspect Pop would have wanted to rest Tony more through the season than he has bc he doesn't trust Ray. Tony has strictly missed a few injured games all season and with Manu now injured and Simmons basically unplayable against play-off teams, needing further development or at least a more limited role, we really needed someone to soak up some time for Tony to give him a rest. I liked Ray well enough for that TBH, but Pop didn't and they probably didn't feel like they were going to resign Ray in the summer or they would have kept him.
He's in a contract year maybe he himself wanted out bc he has a possible team that will pick him up. Good luck to him.
Ray couldn't penetrate vs. the starters of good teams; thus Pop didn't trust him. I didn't think he played bad. On a lesser team, what Ray brought to the table may have been enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Nets (Donald Sloan), Sixers (Ish Smith), or Suns (Ronnie Price) will claim Ray. I mean look at their starting PG's :lol
If he's lucky the Jazz (Shelvin Mack) will also take a look. They have a shot at the playoffs.
Good luck Ray
Dre is the original Rondo when it comes to dominating the ball & had beef with Brandon Roy b/c of it.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
This reminds me of the Mavs signing Avery after the Spurs cut him loose.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
At this point, Spurs are playing with house money. With the Warriors looking so dominant and being such heavy favorites to win it all, the Spurs can pretty much do whatever they want and you can't really blame them if it doesn't pan out.
Neither Miller nor Martin are going to be the difference between us winning it all this year or not, so bitching about it really means nothing. Hopefully they bring a little something to the table (if Martin does indeed wind up here), but if not, whatever. No real loss. Let's just see how it plays out.
Andre Miller task list:
- bring the ball up the court without fumbling
- reach the 3-pt line and pass the ball to just about anybody
- don't commit a turnover when trapped
That's sadly light years ahead of what Ray can do.
I think having a tall guard against the Warriors could pay some dividends. That's what I'm guessing this is about. It's not like Ray has played so poorly that he deserves this, otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
I was trying to tell people that Ray doesn't do anything especially well; but they wanted to drool over some alleged value for only a second round pick. It's sad getting swindled by the Kings of all organizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
Yes I liked him well enough. Early in the season though he didn't look like he knew the sets and would muck things,up being out of position cutting into someone trying to establish post up position etc. Knowing the sets is important bc if you have a limited role at least don't get in the way of someone making a play. I actually liked him more lately than Simmons bc Ray was unlikely to make the Simmons,mistakes of late like careless TO, fouling, etc. I actually think the Miller signing has more to do with mentoring for Anderson who is a kind of tall post up PG at his core and Miller at this stage of his career from what I saw in highlight relies on tricky post moves and guile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
lol "swindled" for a second rounder. So dramatic.
The real swindle was made by Corpse Jimmer's agent.
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
If it was CJ we stand pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
And DannyQuote:
Originally Posted by will_spurs
And Patty
recently
Yeah but I didn't want to pile up and they aren't back-up PGs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Well good luck to Ray, if no one picks him up maybe he'll get another shot with the Spurs next season.
Good luck, didnt see that one coming, tbh.
And Alopecia, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Of course ray gets waived for andre miller. Any fucking Spurs fan knew this. Or else they are fucking retarded. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
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Originally Posted by sasaint
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Originally Posted by dabom
I can assure you that Anderson is going nowhere, as he is continually developing, and creates match up problems for other teams. The Spurs are more than happy with his continued development...Bonner goes to the front office, and Martin signs. Done deal.
After all the talk of RC regarding the signing of Ray I am really surprised that they give up on him ...
I still laugh that people thought McCallum was a steal and would somehow be equivalent to Corey Joseph on the open market.