LMAO
Bruce Bowen would be a scrub today
He was only a good defender because he was allowed to hack his opponents without calls and his offense wouldnt work today
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Bruce Bowen would be a scrub today
He was only a good defender because he was allowed to hack his opponents without calls and his offense wouldnt work today
Do you really want to get into this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
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Originally Posted by Benoit
Please elaborate with details why this is the case?
Look up how other NBA forums feel about Bruce Bowen
Most fans think he was a limited scrub that was allowed to get away with murder
He couldnt do anything on offense but shoot from the corners in an era where teams hadnt figured out to cut off corner 3s yetQuote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Bowen would be a better PG option than Parker
Spur fans obsessed with thinking Bruce Bowen could stop Steph :rollin
Ive never heard anybody even mention Bruce Bowen outside of this forum
Not if you admit that was poor reasoning on your original take.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
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Originally Posted by Benoit
Sorry man I don't live on the Internet trolling forum to forum..
Which is what again? Are you discrediting All-NBA selections?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, Bruce definitely couldn't guard Steph. Rather have Bruce on Thompson, Danny on Steph and Kawhi playing strong safety.
Because internet forums are where all the experts are?! :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
Bowen could legit guard 1-5. He had to guard guys like Rip Hamilton, D. Wade, and Kobe. He also had to guard bigger guys like LeBron and Melo and even 7 footers Dirk. AND he could also guard PGs like AI, Nash, and Billups. Bowen was the man, no matter what the big bad internet forums have to say about it.
Yeah shit like that gets you All-NBA 5x First team 3x Second teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
bruce has become criminally underrated here by the youngins
You wanted to assert that contract size was an indicator of a player's skill level. Admit it was a poor argument, and I'll never bring it up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
When it comes to a minimum contract that says a lot about your skill level in this day and age of the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
respectfully disagree. maybe i'm just remembering one or 2 games, bu dirk destroyed bowen when pop would move bowen onto him late in games. i remember screaming at the TV for pop to quit crossmatching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
So basically an ideal golden state warrior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Yeah it does. Especially when you're not ring chasing like Rasual ButlerQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
and the youngins would say the old chaps are overrating him a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Truth is probably in the midle... old chaps like me absolutely loved the ugly, slow paced Spurs BB (does not mean that old chaps don't like the high paced team), winning rings by shutting down elite offensive teams like 00's suns was priceless tbh... in this system Bruce was absolutely key to do the dirty work, to harass opponent best players, to get under opponent's skins.
The youngins do love the advanced stats, metrics and let's be honest those metrics are not doing Bruce a favor and totally underrate him as a defender, some of the metrics rely quite significantly on rebound rate for instance or number of shots missed with defender near 4 feet or steals... Bruce job was not to rebound the ball but was to stay on his guy, he was chasing around PGs, SGs, SFs to funnel them into bigs on defense, at one point Pop hated players gambling passing lanes to get steals... so yeah any metrics using a bit of that will underrate Bruce.
Now I can tell you that when Bruce was off the floor in close games against Suns, Lakers and some others we were all shitting our pants and yelling at Pop to put Bruce back... that's how good Bruce was... With this 00s team, Bruce offense was just fine... dat corner 3 was more than enough.
TLDR: Bruce would be pretty much useless in today's games but was a beast in Spurs 00s BB.
See? This is why it's hard to rely on the "Well if you were old enough, you'd know." Pop put Bowen on those guys, but they literally had their average numbers and efficiency against him. Is it impressive that Bowen held a much bigger player to his average? By itself yes. Then you recall that Stephen Jackson pretty much erased Dirk the very next post-season, and you start to see why people's memories are fuzzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
Bowen should get credit for being a great defender at a time when the team really needed one to compliment the Big Three. But his objective rating is inflated. There were other guys who could do what he did on defender. If you took away all of Kawhi's offensive skill except for a three-pointer and replace him with Bowen, and the Spurs are even better.
Also nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Bowen would be put on Klay and he would be completely shut down. I don't think he could shut down Green or Curry. He would probably slow them down but not totally contain. Klay would be fucked though imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
so much to say about this post... some of it being on my previous post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Not sure what "they literally had their average numbers and efficiency against him" mean for a start... their shooting is about the same when defended one on one by Bruce vs. career ? probably but then again Bruce was asked mostly to funnel those dudes to Duncan and chase them around so that offense don't get comfortable setting their plays... you won't see this in the stats tho.
Steph Jax when dialed was a tough defender with same kind of poisonous defense than Bruce tbh... there is nothing bad to be compared on S Jax best defensive stretch except Bruce was doing it not only during 5/6 games but all season long.
Objective rating is inflated ? what rating ? metrics ? Bruce metrics are shit tbh... never averaged a PER above 10 I thinks, in 5 seasons Kawhi has more ws, dws, drating, vorp than Bruce in his whole career. Does that mean Kawhi is a superior defender ? yes. Does that reflect the magnitude of the gap ? no
In the 00s what other guys ? o_O you make it sound there were a lot of players capable to do what Bruce was doing which is puzzling...
Last sentence is fine but then again, Bruce was never asked to do anything else that this corner 3, why would he ? Manu, TP and Tim on their prime... For the record and because youngins don't know everything, Bruce was a solid offensive player overseas, it's not like he was uncapable to do more than what Spurs wanted him to do.