Should Tony come off the bench...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'm happier seeing Patty playing well, and making timely shots, in case we need another 2014 cameo from him. But, obviously, I rather have Tony healthy, tbh...

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:lol come on

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Originally Posted by ElNono

10-15 mins a game against weak competition, no back to backs... enough time to get some shots off, etc. No bruising, running through screens, etc.

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and for these 5-10 mn you put the mess in the starting five and the bench... not worth it... at all

if you believe he needs rest, your stance should be don't play him at all for a stretch of games

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because Tony never said he was injured, and he went to play for France as soon as the season was over. If I have to decide based on what he did, he wasn't "injured", just burned out. But here plenty of peeps dropped the "injured" cop out. I don't want to hear cop outs again. Two playoffs in a row now.

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just when we thought you were being serious...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He's a guy that might need to get shut down for a while. It's concerning, because unlike Parker, he's played about the same minutes as Tim and West this season, and he looks worn out.

IMO, Bobo really is somebody we can't afford to struggle, he's a huge part of the bench play.

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I can't agree more but if you shut bobo down he can take 10 pounds in a heartbeat... so not sure whats the plan there but yes he is worn out

:wakeup

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

Has parker ever benefitted from rest? He got time off last year and didn't help. Took summer off in 2014 and it didn't help. I'd rather let him play out of the funk and stay in shape

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I actually read an interesting short article the other day where Tim Grover (Jordan's former trainer) doesn't really believe sitting out players for rest is a good thing.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-tr...181702486.html

I'm curious what you guys think about it. I actually agreed with a lot of what Grover said. It's actually what I've been saying for years around here. I think that if you want to rest players then you can limit their minutes instead of having them sit out whole games. Maybe some older players might need the game off, but young players not so much IMO. Also, sleep and proper rest is key. Like Grover said, if the player sits out the game but goes out clubbing and doesn't get much sleep, then that is not quality rest. If the player sits on the bench for 2 hours, but then stays up playing Xbox and texting, then that is not proper rest either.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

and for these 5-10 mn you put the mess in the starting five and the bench... not worth it... at all

if you believe he needs rest, your stance should be don't play him at all for a stretch of games

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We can afford that "mess" right now... big picture. If he's not 100% when it matters, what's the point?

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Originally Posted by Brazil

just when we thought you were being serious...

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What do you mean? He was definitely hurt in 2014 (thankfully Gino was healthy), and then some playerfans here claimed he was "hurt" last season too.

I don't wanna hear how he's hurt again. Rest him now, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

I can't agree more but if you shut bobo down he can take 10 pounds in a heartbeat... so not sure whats the plan there but yes he is worn out

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Best coach ever should be able to figure it out, tbh

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Originally Posted by ElNono

We can afford that "mess" right now... big picture. If he's not 100% when it matters, what's the point?




What do you mean? He was definitely hurt in 2014 (thankfully Gino was healthy), and then some playerfans here claimed he was "hurt" last season too.

I don't wanna hear how he's hurt again. Rest him now, IMO.




Best coach ever should be able to figure it out, tbh

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when you can achieve same effect without the mess, why would you not to ?

He had a fine PO run in 13-14... it was not 12-13 but he played more than 700 mn with same usage rate than last 7 years 31 mpg... not sure what you are talking about... during those 23 games he had some ups and downs and some games where he was not ok but same can be said about healthy manu who had an amazing PO run but had also very forgettable games...

now if your subtle is oh he was then healthy enough so he has no excuses to have played like crap and the usual subtles about game 6, I've better things to do mate and not in the mood

I don't know what we should do but I really hope that he is at least close to his early season form after next week.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

when you can achieve same effect without the mess, why would you not to ?

He had a fine PO run in 13-14... it was not 12-13 but he played more than 700 mn with same usage rate than last 7 years 31 mpg... not sure what you are talking about... during those 23 games he had some ups and downs and some games where he was not ok but same can be said about healthy manu who had an amazing PO run but had also very forgettable games...

now if your subtle is oh he was then healthy enough so he has no excuses to have played like crap and the usual subtles about game 6, I've better things to do mate and not in the mood

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:rolleyes

He couldn't even play in 2nd halves of two series-clinching games, including the WCF... thank god for Manu and Patty.

I get that Calderon, Devin Harris and CP3 are bad matchups for him, but if on top of that he's tired, it' just not helping.

And I totally agree with Manu (and Tim) also getting some rest. Manu was forced to rest this last month, and we'll see what he looks like when he gets back, but Tim and his knee situation is concerning also.

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

patty is faster, can shoot better, and has better court vision than parker. he also doesn't need the ball in his hands to still operate and be effective: patty makes better cuts and can set up behind the three like parker never could.

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and this season patty's steal percentage is higher than tony, patty's turnover percentage is lower than tony's... patty's offensive box +/- and box +/- is twice as high as parker's.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

:rolleyes

He couldn't even play in 2nd halves of two series-clinching games, including the WCF... thank god for Manu and Patty.

I get that Calderon, Devin Harris and CP3 are bad matchups for him, but if on top of that he's tired, it' just not helping.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

[..] and the usual subtles about game 6, I've better things to do mate and not in the mood

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Originally Posted by ElNono

And I totally agree with Manu (and Tim) also getting some rest. Manu was forced to rest this last month, and we'll see what he looks like when he gets back, but Tim and his knee situation is concerning also.

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Pop should be extra cautious with the big 3 that's probably one of last opportunity to have them as healthy as possible entering in the POs...

Tony should remain a starter for this season atleast. Out of respect and to keep that confidence intact.

Saying that, i hope Pop keeps a tight leash like he did last night. The benching early in the first and 5mins to go in the 4th absolutely paid off for the spurs.

ElNono threads always deliver.

Pop just needs to take him out when he's playing like shit. It's pretty simple. No matter where you put him, if he's playing like shit, he's going to kill the offense and play crap defense. A minutes reduction would be best for everyone involved.

To answer the OP: Yes, he's eventually going to have to come off the bench in order to go back home.

ugh, tbh, please Pop rest him...

Has looked turrible really..couldn't even breakdown the shitty Kings defense..I would excuse him from next two game trip and have him stay in SA to get ready for the brutal homsetand..

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255957

so yes. patty is better than parker. except when it comes to sleeping with a teammate's wife.

Parker may be done. Period. Full stop.

We need to find the PG of the future next year. Let Parker take over bench duty.

I would be for it if Cojo was still on the team. Parker is going to be a gaping hole against Westbrook and Curry. The Spurs might be able to hide Parker on Roberson against the Thunder but there is no way the Spurs can hide Parker on Thompson or Harrison Barnes against the Warriors.

However, the Spurs don't have a good defensive back up PG anymore so... the Spurs are kind of stuck with him in the starting lineup.

Niggas in here don't know coasting when you see it.

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Originally Posted by T Park

you don't bench a borderline All Star point guard.

Delete your account.

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:lol