Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?

yes. cuz green wants to sit at that damn 3 pont line for open 3's all game. Green is fucking horrible this season. wtf man. His defense sucks this year and he can't hit an open jump shot consistently . What use is there for him against golden state??

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Yeah, as I told Brazil, I'm totally in favor of the team using Martin that way. The dude is much more of a scorer than he is a spot-up shooter. And there are going to be nights where the team needs that, ESPECIALLY when Kawhi sits. And having him on the team gives the Spurs yet another small-ball guy to throw at GS. And he should have the name-recognition to draw more attention than Butler or Anderson would.

My only concern now is figuring out who is going to be inactive most games. If Bonner is cut, then I assume Simmons is mostly inactive. But who else? Boban? I think that'd be risky. Anderson? Seems almost sacrilegious at this point. Miller? Should be, but Pop usually likes to keep three PGs active, and Miller might feel slighted after just signing on.

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Should be Simmons, but it could be Boban too. I don't see either playing in the postseason anyways and Pop has not been shy playing 2 PG together. Although I am not a fan of those lineups. You don't need Simmons as a backup SG at this point. Defensively is where he could have made his mark and Pop has gone away from him for that. He probably needs further development but we are out of time.

Anderson is versatile. The number of positions he can play and the number of lineups he's seen makes him a guy you want dressed just in case, anyone 2-4 is in foul trouble or stinking up the joint, even just in case Martin is terrible. He's also a good candidate to see minutes when shit hits the fan and Pop throws guys out to the fire bc at least he could use that experience. Maybe he finds cojones like Cojo!!!

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Yeah, as I told Brazil, I'm totally in favor of the team using Martin that way. The dude is much more of a scorer than he is a spot-up shooter. And there are going to be nights where the team needs that, ESPECIALLY when Kawhi sits. And having him on the team gives the Spurs yet another small-ball guy to throw at GS. And he should have the name-recognition to draw more attention than Butler or Anderson would.

My only concern now is figuring out who is going to be inactive most games. If Bonner is cut, then I assume Simmons is mostly inactive. But who else? Boban? I think that'd be risky. Anderson? Seems almost sacrilegious at this point. Miller? Should be, but Pop usually likes to keep three PGs active, and Miller might feel slighted after just signing on.

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One scenario I think it's plausible, is that as soon as we have the #2 seed locked up, and if we lose 1 or 2 of the games left against GSW, Pop is just going to shut down Tony, Manu and Tim. Not completely, but big bouts of rest. During that time, all of Miller, KMart and Boban are going to have plenty of minutes to show what they have, get acclimated, and allow Pop to make decisions as far as who to count with for a shorter playoff rotation.

Frankly, I don't think Simms, Kyle or Boban have shown they can be thrown into the fire in the playoffs this season, tbh. In that sense, depending how he looks, Martin makes a lot of sense as the backup wing TD21 was talking about all season long. Miller I think it's more like insurance in case Tony or Manu get dinged up (especially the latter, depending on how he looks from here until the playoffs).

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One scenario I think it's plausible, is that as soon as we have the #2 seed locked up, and if we lose 1 or 2 of the games left against GSW, Pop is just going to shut down Tony, Manu and Tim. Not completely, but big bouts of rest. During that time, all of Miller, KMart and Boban are going to have plenty of minutes to show what they have, get acclimated, and allow Pop to make decisions as far as who to count with for a shorter playoff rotation.

Frankly, I don't think Simms, Kyle or Boban have shown they can be thrown into the fire in the playoffs this season, tbh. In that sense, depending how he looks, Martin makes a lot of sense as the backup wing TD21 was talking about all season long. Miller I think it's more like insurance in case Tony or Manu get dinged up (especially the latter, depending on how he looks from here until the playoffs).

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You and I disagree on Kyle. That he's already helped win close games we were undermanned in escapes you. I think his defensive versatility will be needed but maybe if we need him per se we are at the point of lost cause. The league is increasingly perimeter based and our bigs except Lma are slumbering and slow much more than Kyle who is deceptive bc he's deliberate on what he does. When was the last time you saw any of those guys on the floor after a loose ball? Probably never. D.west doesnt even box out consistently or grabs a loose ball or rebound that is not in his immediate vecinity. These are all things Kyle has done recently and plays that win you games.

The most alarming decline is Diaw. Don't be a fool to think we would have this record without Kyle. He's not by far the most responsible for it, but on the road to it you needed guys to do very blue collar low usage stuff that ppl take for granted. Get Marco on this team instead of Kyle and I guarantee you we don't have this record.

In fact I am sure a few Teletovichs and Ryan Anderson's of the world already would have dealt us a couple losses without Kyle this season, the kind that made us say WTF last season! and Ryan Anderson did deal us one early in the season where Pop stuck to his bigs and Ryan Anderson killed Boris and every other big. Kyle's development as a perimeter defender option and of mobile "bigs" has allowed us to go 12-1 in the absence of Manu, Tim and Kawhi. Kyle has bailed Boris out defensively a whole lot. Do not think Pop is just being nice Pop and playing him out of charity. Like Manu says Pop is not being nice playing him. He's earned it. The Boris situation should be more alarming to others that take him for granted and if Butler is released with more certainty I assure you Kyle will play. Kyle's role might be more significant in certain scenarios than your 4th wing bc the 4th wing impact is smaller and we have had a winning record with different guys in that role

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If Pop is all about winning this season as he's shown he will play the guys that will lead us to a win no matter who it is.

The bad aspect of this signing so late in the season is that now Pop will have to play him to give him a chance to earn the spot, gel and see if he still has the stroke and we are already nearing a tough part of the season. Normally all this testing would be done earlier.

It could even affect Manu getting his own rhythm back bc now it's not just Miller but Martin changing dynamics. New teammates this late in the season alter chemistry a lot.

Tbh I have a bad feeling about this one. Specially if we waive Butler and this guy starts playing Marco level defense and getting away with it.

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Manu makes everyone better. He's a pg in a sg body. Martin will thrive next to him as a cutting option and spot up 3. His defense is better than Kyle or Parker, whose minutes I seek him taking as they're both to inept to guard bigs or legitimate offensive threats. I feel Martin and green may switch areas as pop has played green With the second unit a lot lately.
All n all he's a great pickup for the min. It's a steal to get that talent this late and just adds another dimension. He's a vet, not a young player and has experience coming off the bench and being a spark.

He struggled to leave Minnesota, but decided to for a reason. He wants a ring. He's in the right mindset. He has played very sparingly in Minnesota after starting early with an Injury. He's not going to get intimidated by the big moment like half the spurs team does when they have to create on their own.

Yes.

Come playoffs time, Simmons and Anderson will be out of the rotation. Martin will come in handy esp in a small ball line up...

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Manu makes everyone better. He's a pg in a sg body. Martin will thrive next to him as a cutting option and spot up 3. His defense is better than Kyle or Parker, whose minutes I seek him taking as they're both to inept to guard bigs or legitimate offensive threats. I feel Martin and green may switch areas as pop has played green With the second unit a lot lately.
All n all he's a great pickup for the min. It's a steal to get that talent this late and just adds another dimension. He's a vet, not a young player and has experience coming off the bench and being a spark.

He struggled to leave Minnesota, but decided to for a reason. He wants a ring. He's in the right mindset. He has played very sparingly in Minnesota after starting early with an Injury. He's not going to get intimidated by the big moment like half the spurs team does when they have to create on their own.

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I think you are highly overrating him. Has only made the playoffs twice in 11 years and has been noted a choker bc his penchant for always looking for the foul call dries up in the postseason. You also highly overrate l him defensively and putting Tony and Kyle in the same sentence on defense is laughable.

you are really trolling on this one.

Ouch. Dude is basically a scrub

http://twitter.com/winston3453/statu...96366246694912

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Ouch. Dude is basically a scrub

http://twitter.com/winston3453/statu...96366246694912

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Already feel like I am going to puke^^^

He's basically insurance with that stat.

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I think you are highly overrating him. Has only made the playoffs twice in 11 years and has been noted a choker bc his penchant for always looking for the foul call dries up in the postseason. You also highly overrate l him defensively and putting Tony and Kyle in the same sentence on defense is laughable.

you are really trolling on this one.

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Not trolling at all. What is over rated? For the min, he's a good deal. How is he not? He's not going to carry a team.. he's going to score off the bench. Maybe start if pop is playing match-up. In hindsight.. anyone who didn't win the championship on a contender is a choker. Think that argument is just silly. Martin moves well off the ball, much like reddick does through screens and backdoor plays. It'll give the spurs someone to run around a defender. Who do you put ahead of him offensively from the spurs bench on the wing TBH?

Maybe I watched the wrong games when it came to defense. His ability to move his feet put him ahead of Kyle and Tony, I could be wrong there. Kyle gets one steal for every 3 open looks he hand's over. Won't win many games that way. I'm one of Kyle's supporters here, but he hurts the team defense huge at times. Against contenders, he won't be able to hide as much. And Tony..well anyone he guards seems like they can't miss .

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Already feel like I am going to puke^^^

He's basically insurance with that stat.

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Before you cliff jump - investigate who and where stat came from, then you should probably research the teams that Martin played for. After that, you may want to understand why Spurs went after him. Probably the same reason Spurs went after patty and marco and gary.... Defense.

think twice before clicking "post quick reply"

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Not trolling at all. What is over rated? For the min, he's a good deal. How is he not? He's not going to carry a team.. he's going to score off the bench. Maybe start if pop is playing match-up. In hindsight.. anyone who didn't win the championship on a contender is a choker. Think that argument is just silly. Martin moves well off the ball, much like reddick does through screens and backdoor plays. It'll give the spurs someone to run around a defender. Who do you put ahead of him offensively from the spurs bench on the wing TBH?

Maybe I watched the wrong games when it came to defense. His ability to move his feet put him ahead of Kyle and Tony, I could be wrong there. Kyle gets one steal for every 3 open looks he hand's over. Won't win many games that way. I'm one of Kyle's supporters here, but he hurts the team defense huge at times. Against contenders, he won't be able to hide as much. And Tony..well anyone he guards seems like they can't miss .

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one of Kyle's best aspects is team defense, you haven't really been paying attention. Martin is one of the worst SG in the league this season. The absolute worst is Marco.

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Before you cliff jump - investigate who and where stat came from, then you should probably research the teams that Martin played for. After that, you may want to understand why Spurs went after him. Probably the same reason Spurs went after patty and marco and gary.... Defense.

think twice before clicking "post quick reply"

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It's a career stat. It's not a single season stat. Over 11 yrs of the Lord's work he's made his teammates 8 points worse than if he was on the bench. Yikes!

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It's a career stat. It's not a single season stat. Over 11 yrs of the Lord's work he's made his teammates 8 points worse than if he was on the bench. Yikes!

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Look at the teams

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one of Kyle's best aspects is team defense, you haven't really been paying attention. Martin is one of the worst SG in the league this season. The absolute worst is Marco.

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Whoa. You're favoring that dude way too much. Kyle has the ability to get the job done.. he chooses not to, which is the issue. He's twice as fast on offense as he is on defense. Maybe he's not comfortable yet with the d aide. Not sure, but he definitely has the most break downs on a regular rotation player. And my argument isn't that Martin is going to be good on defensee.. but more so, how bad can you get when you already give up easy baskets where he will be?

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Whoa. You're favoring that dude way too much. Kyle has the ability to get the job done.. he chooses not to, which is the issue. He's twice as fast on offense as he is on defense. Maybe he's not comfortable yet with the d aide. Not sure, but he definitely has the most break downs on a regular rotation player. And my argument isn't that Martin is going to be good on defensee.. but more so, how bad can you get when you already give up easy baskets where he will be?

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POP played him a lot tonight not bc of his scoring at all obviously since he's a developing player and offensively doesn't have range to the 3. He was there for defense, git blocks, steals, knocked a lot of balls loose, was good on PnR, was on Marco for a good chunk, played the most of anyone in the bench bc of defense and rebounding. We didn't have Danny who makes a lot if hustle plays and had no rim protection except Boban. Kawhi and Kyle together forced a lot of mistakes on the kings. If you can't see the defensive impact he had I can't argue with you. Defense has been his best aspect bc offensively he's still hesitant. POP was nit being nice to him playing him 27 minutes.

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POP played him a lot tonight not bc of his scoring at all obviously since he's a developing player and offensively doesn't have range to the 3. He was there for defense, git blocks, steals, knocked a lot of balls loose, was good on PnR, was on Marco for a good chunk, played the most of anyone in the bench bc of defense and rebounding. We didn't have Danny who makes a lot if hustle plays and had no rim protection except Boban. Kawhi and Kyle together forced a lot of mistakes on the kings. If you can't see the defensive impact he had I can't argue with you. Defense has been his best aspect bc offensively he's still hesitant. POP was nit being nice to him playing him 27 minutes.

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I'm not looking to argue. I like Kyle.

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POP played him a lot tonight not bc of his scoring at all obviously since he's a developing player and offensively doesn't have range to the 3. He was there for defense, git blocks, steals, knocked a lot of balls loose, was good on PnR, was on Marco for a good chunk, played the most of anyone in the bench bc of defense and rebounding. We didn't have Danny who makes a lot if hustle plays and had no rim protection except Boban. Kawhi and Kyle together forced a lot of mistakes on the kings. If you can't see the defensive impact he had I can't argue with you. Defense has been his best aspect bc offensively he's still hesitant. POP was nit being nice to him playing him 27 minutes.

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I'm probably gonna get called a "hater" or that I have some "agenda" for saying this, but I didn't like his game tonight. I thought he had some pretty bad defensive lapses (I did like his rebounding though), and don't think his offense is really anything other teams should be concerned about. IMO, he needs to stand out more if he's to earn a spot in the playoff rotation. I know it's tough because he's so young and surrounded of vets that already made a name for themselves, but that's my general feeling.
I'm not going to say KMart has that shit on lock without looking at him playing in our team, but I do think he has some advantage to be higher in a potential playoff pecking order (although matchups can dictate that too).

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I'm not looking to argue. I like Kyle.

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I'm probably gonna get called a "hater" or that I have some "agenda" for saying this, but I didn't like his game tonight. I thought he had some pretty bad defensive lapses (I did like his rebounding though), and don't think his offense is really anything other teams should be concerned about. IMO, he needs to stand out more if he's to earn a spot in the playoff rotation. I know it's tough because he's so young and surrounded of vets that already made a name for themselves, but that's my general feeling.
I'm not going to say KMart has that shit on lock without looking at him playing in our team, but I do think he has some advantage to be higher in a potential playoff pecking order (although matchups can dictate that too).

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Nah I don't consider that a hater. Haters usually have no objective reason that they even care to articulate.

Every team has to have the low usage guy who is willing to do the dirty work. Danny and now Tim are that for the SL. Which is why ppl getting so hard on Danny sometimes forget what his most valuable contributions are to the SL and that Kmart does none if those things. You don't want or need a high usage guy there at that spot, but you do need someone who is going to play tough as nails and make all the hustle plays, take the open shot and move the ball, etc. Danny has been making some nice passes no one credits him for either bc they are not spectacular. They don't need to be.

Sure Danny has flaws but what he brings is more needed there than what Kmart could bring to the SL IMO. That was the initial subject of the thread and bc even good shooters go through dry spells, what you give up defensively doesn't make up for the scoring when the SL already has 3 other scorers and smarts use would be limited.

The bench is more fluid, and its live and die by Manu. When he's playing well he can carry any dleaguer when he's off you maybe have other guys there who can help. I don't see Kmart as being high usage in the bench. I actually see him as situational in the playoffs as Marco was at times precisely bc of his defensive lapses.

Also, rarely will you see a perfect defensive game even from experienced players. I have seen them in the playoffs, but in the RS even Kawhi or Danny get blown by or miss an assignment. The overall game Kyle had was a positive though and he got stops.

Your personal preference is your own and I am not going to change that.

if we need more offense? NO SHIT.

why is this a thread?

This was an ideal night for that, tbh... Monta just flat out schools Danny for some reason and Danny is just sleepwalking out there...

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This was an ideal night for that, tbh... Monta just flat out schools Danny for some reason and Danny is just sleepwalking out there...

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but but but elite defender, but but but when his shot isn't falling he plays hard on defense.....

same crap you guys cried about splitter.

both soft

He made Monta work at the end, and Monta is a handful for anyone. If you have Kawhi on him he would not have the energy for offense, and frankly Kawhi is not the best on him. If anything it wasn't a night to bench Danny, but to bring Kmrt off the bench bc Manu was off and out there for too long, and no one got it going. Maybe Kmart can be a spart and I guess that is why he's joining us. Hope he comes through.