Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The CoM and CoG battle lines run deep after six years.

To answer your question, Nono, if Martin is playing well and Green isn't, you give Kevin the minutes. Simple as that. There are going to be games were that happens, and there's nothing wrong with it. The only thing that matter is that if Green is playing well in a big moment, that Pop doesn't keep Martin in there instead.

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This. You use him just like Beli to see what he has. Especially in games where DG just can't get it going, you throw him in to see if he can spark. But it will be very case by case and the flow of the game and play of DG will dictate that.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

but but but elite defender, but but but when his shot isn't falling he plays hard on defense.....

same crap you guys cried about splitter.

both soft

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Great post

Danny Green being a high level defender is a pretending! cause he so too cute with no killer instinct... That last position was pathetic defense on Ellis, just like the game winner of CP3 on us last playoff... Most overrated player in the league!

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Originally Posted by kobyz

Danny Green being a high level defender is a pretending! cause he so too cute with no killer instinct... That last position was pathetic defense on Ellis, just like the game winner of CP3 on us last playoff... Most overrated player in the league!

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You're overrated. Fatso. Dont ever post in my messageboard rver again

Moved.

If he is worth a fuck and pop isn't stubborn he will eat into both green and ginobilis minutes.....

We shall see. Has to show us he's better than those two to begin with.

Hopefully he comes through when we need him. Having to waive someone we like and who's helped us through the season is not easy and Spurs must believe he's a definite game changer whether he rakes some SG or SF minutes (mean Anderson there of course). Whatever he does, has to be better than those guys. We shall see. Games like yesterdays I definitely could have seen him get burn fir both Manu and Green.

It's interesting that out of Martin's 17 minutes, so far, 9.5 of them have been with Green on the floor with him..

Obviously that's due to Manu getting a little rest during the RS, but I'll be interested to see how Pop manages the minutes, as we have only seen 1 instance of Martin playing with the starters ahead of Green, so far..

Pop has been fucking with a lot of Kawhi-Green + Martin/Anderson lineups, lately..that Warriors prep:lol

Martin should be a situational guy that gets in when we aren't making shots, tbh.

Tonight was a good night to play him against the Clips bench, tbh, there's a couple guys you can hide him on defense. He's going to play based on stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Tonight was a good night to play him against the Clips bench, tbh, there's a couple guys you can hide him on defense. He's going to play based on stuff like that.

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What do you expect Manu's playoff MPG to be around?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

What do you expect Manu's playoff MPG to be around?

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I think it depends on how he recovers from his injury and gets back in shape... if he's at a 16 PER like last playoffs, probably 15-20... if a bit better, maybe up to 25...

But I also think things like being able to hide KMart on defense against certain teams might open up some minutes from Manu to him..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It's interesting that out of Martin's 17 minutes, so far, 9.5 of them have been with Green on the floor with him..

Obviously that's due to Manu getting a little rest during the RS, but I'll be interested to see how Pop manages the minutes, as we have only seen 1 instance of Martin playing with the starters ahead of Green, so far..

Pop has been fucking with a lot of Kawhi-Green + Martin/Anderson lineups, lately..that Warriors prep:lol

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Ya - that DG/Kawhi/Martin/Diaw/West line up was strange.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

What do you expect Manu's playoff MPG to be around?

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I think first round pretty low, we won't need him so 10-15.

2nd round his role will increase, 15-20.

If he's effective I could see him getting 25-27 mpg against the Dubs. That's a big if though.

With Pop saying that this late in the season they don't do shoot around it doesn't surprise me to see Kmart thrown in different lineups, since these guys haven't played together and he needs some reps. He's probably very situational as others have pointed out and more likely a bench player bc the SL has the two consistent scorers. Mills and Manu being inconsistent and the whole committee leaves open the possibility of minutes for Kmart in the bench bc that was the area where Marco pitched in when others didn't have it going and that is not an Anderson strength at this point.

Plus there is always injury insurance.

He got minutes in manu/mills/Tony area and guarded the same guy they usually do in rivers. Rivers didn't score on him, and Martin's good plus minus was the equivalent of last game, being that it was mostly on the surrounding players. Pretty much what I said he would be. Pop getting him minutes with such big games will be definitive towards his role in the playoffs considering he hardly knows the system. He has been working him in, which makes me believe he will have a definite role in the playoffs. Pop kept pulling him aside and talking with him. Seems to be pushing his development with the team.

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Originally Posted by Mnky

He got minutes in manu/mills/Tony area and guarded the same guy they usually do in rivers. Rivers didn't score on him, and Martin's good plus minus was the equivalent of last game, being that it was mostly on the surrounding players. Pretty much what I said he would be. Pop getting him minutes with such big games will be definitive towards his role in the playoffs considering he hardly knows the system. He has been working him in, which makes me believe he will have a definite role in the playoffs. Pop kept pulling him aside and talking with him. Seems to be pushing his development with the team.

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That I do agree with. He really got minutes at SG almost exclusively. There are not bound to be many minutes at SF available anways and my impression s that whenever Kawhi is sitting Pop will have either Danny or Anderson at SF to help in transition defense, rebounding and overall defense, not areas of Kmart strength. He's been subbed for Manu the most with Danny next to him and against OKC he was subbed for Danny with Kawhi next to him.

Definitely no SF minutes.

Maybe occasionally, if he catches fire and there's an obvious hiding place for him.

More importantly, it's time him and Diaw combined to take all of Anderson's (meaningful) minutes.

They've struggled all season offensively against elite teams, yet for the second straight Saturday, minutes are being wasted on Anderson. I don't care about his knowledge or lack thereof, of the system. He's a veteran player, who knows how to play. Besides, they don't have much time to work him in and he's not going to magically pick everything up by the playoffs anyway.

If they don't want to play him with the bench much because it would further weaken their defense/rebounding, then Green can sub back in for Leonard late-end 1st and 3rd and he can sub in for Ginobili at roughly the 10 minute mark, 1st and 3rd.

He's not a great fit with Manu. He might even be a worse one than Anderson since he doesn't have elite size. That and the fact that he's a worse defender than Kyle has been keeping him out of the rotation. I haven't hated Martin as a Spur, but I don't think he has a clear role that fits his skill-set. And yes, that freaking matters.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

He's not a great fit with Manu. He might even be a worse one than Anderson since he doesn't have elite size. That and the fact that he's a worse defender than Kyle has been keeping him out of the rotation. I haven't hated Martin as a Spur, but I don't think he has a clear role that fits his skill-set. And yes, that freaking matters.

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Maybe not, but if that's true, they can do what I said, rotation wise, to avoid that.

Anderson doesn't check any box (sure, he's a better defender than Martin, but it's not as if he's a lock down one) and essentially has no role. Diaw and Leonard are obviously better small ball power forward options and now that they have another wing shooter, it makes it easier to utilize the latter in that role.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Maybe not, but if that's true, they can do what I said, rotation wise, to avoid that.

Anderson doesn't check any box (sure, he's a better defender than Martin, but it's not as if he's a lock down one) and essentially has no role. Diaw and Leonard are obviously better small ball power forward options and now that they have another wing shooter, it makes it easier to utilize the latter in that role.

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The reason I haven't hated Martin with the Spurs is because Pop hasn't been trying to use him as a shooter. He's been letting him play his game, which is cuts and rubs and drives. Things can obviously still get better for him as there are packages Pop can run to get Martin threes and better touches, but he's not more productive than Anderson in any way yet. He's not the passer, rebounder or defender Kyle is. He return to being a better scorer, but that's not going to get consistent minutes in the current rotation.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Maybe not, but if that's true, they can do what I said, rotation wise, to avoid that.

Anderson doesn't check any box (sure, he's a better defender than Martin, but it's not as if he's a lock down one) and essentially has no role. Diaw and Leonard are obviously better small ball power forward options and now that they have another wing shooter, it makes it easier to utilize the latter in that role.

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We have an elite record with Anderson carrying a spot in the regular rotation. I had a debate with you long ago that I doubt we would have had this record with Marco taking Anderson's minutes. defense matters and its the identity of this team. Since then Anderson's versatility allowed this team to keep up winning streaks and records that last season would have likely meant a loosing skid ( when Kawhi, Manu and Tim are injured and all you have is Marco there hypothetically).

I am quite neutral on Martn TBH, but the minutes for the 4th wing are so short anyways that Anderson has the ability to impact the game more in a short period with all the intangibles he does, help defense switching g, a contested rebounds d he gets that enss a defensive possession, a nice pass to someone. Sure he could do more if he was scoring but he's the last option in the bench and likely so would Martin, and doesn't do anything else, of the other blue collar stuff. The guy he could replace e in the rotation is Manu quite honestly, maybe Mills and those are guys Pop is unlikely to sit unless there is foul trouble... but technically both guys have the heAviest offensive burden and Martin being an offensive player, those are like the guys he would ideally sub in for.

Edit had to add that the bench will struggle when Manu does and you have Diaw starting. You are too biased against the few minutes Anderson saw to pin their struggles on him.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The reason I haven't hated Martin with the Spurs is because Pop hasn't been trying to use him as a shooter. He's been letting him play his game, which is cuts and rubs and drives.

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K-Mart is better suited playing w/ a lineup of Patty/Kawhi/West/LMA. Have Kawhi run PnP w/ LMA while Patty/West spread the floor & K-Mart cuts. He can also cut when Kawhi or LMA are posting up while the rest spread the floor. This can only be done against a mediocre backcourt such as OKC when they bench WestBrick (Foye/Waiters) & have KD running the offense.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I think he's an ideal guy to have out there when you can hide two players on defense... he's a guy that can shoot the 3 and also very good at driving and flopping for freebies...

Obviously, this is besides being Manu insurance if he gets in foul trouble or hurt...

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Do you give him a blue light or a green light to shoot the 3

I'd like to see him inserted to help draw fouls for sure, and to generate offense at some point, but he needs to learn what a Spurs shot is and what a Timberwolves shot is. He's taken a few of the latter, which troubles me.