Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
The reason I haven't hated Martin with the Spurs is because Pop hasn't been trying to use him as a shooter. He's been letting him play his game, which is cuts and rubs and drives. Things can obviously still get better for him as there are packages Pop can run to get Martin threes and better touches, but he's not more productive than Anderson in any way yet. He's not the passer, rebounder or defender Kyle is. He return to being a better scorer, but that's not going to get consistent minutes in the current rotation.
It's not about who the more well rounded player is; it's about who fits best or at least has the potential to. The things Anderson does well, they don't have a current need for. The things Martin does well, they clearly have a current need for.
You can analyze Martin's shooting until you're blue in the face, but no matter how you slice it, he's clearly a superior range shooter to Anderson.
Maybe you like laboring to score and having virtually no margin for error against elite teams. Me, I'd prefer some breathing room one of these games.
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
We have an elite record with Anderson carrying a spot in the regular rotation. I had a debate with you long ago that I doubt we would have had this record with Marco taking Anderson's minutes. defense matters and its the identity of this team. Since then Anderson's versatility allowed this team to keep up winning streaks and records that last season would have likely meant a loosing skid ( when Kawhi, Manu and Tim are injured and all you have is Marco there hypothetically).
I am quite neutral on Martn TBH, but the minutes for the 4th wing are so short anyways that Anderson has the ability to impact the game more in a short period with all the intangibles he does, help defense switching g, a contested rebounds d he gets that enss a defensive possession, a nice pass to someone. Sure he could do more if he was scoring but he's the last option in the bench and likely so would Martin, and doesn't do anything else, of the other blue collar stuff. The guy he could replace e in the rotation is Manu quite honestly, maybe Mills and those are guys Pop is unlikely to sit unless there is foul trouble... but technically both guys have the heAviest offensive burden and Martin being an offensive player, those are like the guys he would ideally sub in for.
Edit had to add that the bench will struggle when Manu does and you have Diaw starting. You are too biased against the few minutes Anderson saw to pin their struggles on him.
Damn near any competent NBA wing could have played the role Anderson/Simmons have and the team would still have roughly, if not exactly, the same record.
You're so protective of Anderson that you can't see that I'd have no reason to be biased against him and that I'm just telling it like it is.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
We have an elite record with Anderson carrying a spot in the regular rotation. I had a debate with you long ago that I doubt we would have had this record with Marco taking Anderson's minutes. defense matters and its the identity of this team. Since then Anderson's versatility allowed this team to keep up winning streaks and records that last season would have likely meant a loosing skid ( when Kawhi, Manu and Tim are injured and all you have is Marco there hypothetically).
I am quite neutral on Martn TBH, but the minutes for the 4th wing are so short anyways that Anderson has the ability to impact the game more in a short period with all the intangibles he does, help defense switching g, a contested rebounds d he gets that enss a defensive possession, a nice pass to someone. Sure he could do more if he was scoring but he's the last option in the bench and likely so would Martin, and doesn't do anything else, of the other blue collar stuff. The guy he could replace e in the rotation is Manu quite honestly, maybe Mills and those are guys Pop is unlikely to sit unless there is foul trouble... but technically both guys have the heAviest offensive burden and Martin being an offensive player, those are like the guys he would ideally sub in for.
Edit had to add that the bench will struggle when Manu does and you have Diaw starting. You are too biased against the few minutes Anderson saw to pin their struggles on him.
Is this a fucking joke? :lmao
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
4 extra minutes per game than last year isn't what makes us great.
Kawhi LMA.
Not a player that plays blowout minutes. :lmao
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
TD 21
It's not about who the more well rounded player is; it's about who fits best or at least has the potential to. The things Anderson does well, they don't have a current need for. The things Martin does well, they clearly have a current need for.
You can analyze Martin's shooting until you're blue in the face, but no matter how you slice it, he's clearly a superior range shooter to Anderson.
Maybe you like laboring to score and having virtually no margin for error against elite teams. Me, I'd prefer some breathing room one of these games.
Damn near any competent NBA wing could have played the role Anderson/Simmons have and the team would still have roughly, if not exactly, the same record.
You're so protective of Anderson that you can't see that I'd have no reason to be biased against him and that I'm just telling it like it is.
No it's not that. I understand you point correctly but I disagree that others in the bench bring what he brings. The passing they don't need but that unit struggles defending and rebounding too, and KA recent minutes have come as a sort of stretch 4. That is kind of a niche role. He got some minutes at the 3 when Kawhi sat but he was defending Draymond with LMA on Livingston. He was there for obvious defensive assignments to switch onto Curry. It's likely the few minutes Kawhi sits either Danny or KA will see time at SF again bc of the blue collar stuff. It's going to be a few minutes. Manu used to take on the toughest defensive assignments in the bench and maybe this particular case is unique bc the switching schemes means you can't really hide anyone's defensive deficiencies. But it seemed clear to me that KA was there for reasons other than scoring the basketball. He didn't pass up shots he should have taken.
That may not be the case in all series, so I think Martin can have a niche role as well, but if you wanted to sub him in the game for guys whose role is to score the ball then that would be Manu and Mills.
The point is that Pop plays Kawhi a lot of minutes anyways, and Danny is the more superior defender and shooter when Kawhi is not in the game, as it is there are very few minutes at the 3 when Kawhi is not in the game and its a trade-off in what you want for those 5-8 minutes in a player that neither him or Danny are subbed in at the SF spot. It's likely Martin would only get a shot or two in such a short period of time, meantime you give up on everything else.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
No it's not that. I understand you point correctly but I disagree that others in the bench bring what he brings. The passing they don't need but that unit struggles defending and rebounding too, and KA recent minutes have come as a sort of stretch 4. That is kind of a niche role. He got some minutes at the 3 when Kawhi sat but he was defending Draymond with LMA on Livingston. He was there for obvious defensive assignments to switch onto Curry. It's likely the few minutes Kawhi sits either Danny or KA will see time at SF again bc of the blue collar stuff. It's going to be a few minutes. Manu used to take on the toughest defensive assignments in the bench and maybe this particular case is unique bc the switching schemes means you can't really hide anyone's defensive deficiencies. But it seemed clear to me that KA was there for reasons other than scoring the basketball. He didn't pass up shots he should have taken.
That may not be the case in all series, so I think Martin can have a niche role as well, but if you wanted to sub him in the game for guys whose role is to score the ball then that would be Manu and Mills.
The point is that Pop plays Kawhi a lot of minutes anyways, and Danny is the more superior defender and shooter when Kawhi is not in the game, as it is there are very few minutes at the 3 when Kawhi is not in the game and its a trade-off in what you want for those 5-8 minutes in a player that neither him or Danny are subbed in at the SF spot. It's likely Martin would only get a shot or two in such a short period of time, meantime you give up on everything else.
They don't need what he brings and some of what he does, he can't even showcase in his current role. You saw it again tonight. The bench continued their malaise and instead of Martin playing with them in an attempt to stave off the predictable (after the massive early lead, against a solid team that has had slow starts recently) collapse, more minutes were being wasted on Anderson.
The scenario you're describing, I explained a solution to. Green can come back in for Leonard late 1st/3rd - start 2nd/4th and Martin can come in for Ginobili around 10, 2nd/4th.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
anderson is worse than miller
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
TD 21
They don't need what he brings and some of what he does, he can't even showcase in his current role. You saw it again tonight. The bench continued their malaise and instead of Martin playing with them in an attempt to stave off the predictable (after the massive early lead, against a solid team that has had slow starts recently) collapse, more minutes were being wasted on Anderson.
The scenario you're describing, I explained a solution to. Green can come back in for Leonard late 1st/3rd - start 2nd/4th and Martin can come in for Ginobili around 10, 2nd/4th.
This right here is pure speculation bc he played in the first half and they held a huge lead still when he sat (despite dwest fouling a 3 pts shooter for a 4 pts play and Anderson giving up a couple of transition baskets off a blocked shot on MAnu and a TO.) Outside of that that unit was stout and did not give up a huge lead.
The groupoup that gave up the huge lead included Kmart and played in the second half. That was the big time collapse that KA was not a part of. It wasn't even on Kmart either as he did his thing well enough. It was actually the other guys in the bench, TO and bad transition defense that did them in. I think if you swap Kmart and Anderson it was going to be a wash though as neither guy was the reason for the meltdown IMO. In fact Pop probably played Kmart too long as Kawhi only played 30 minutes and he's been playing between 36-38.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
I would prefer Danny Green hit his fucking shots.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
This right here is pure speculation bc he played in the first half and they held a huge lead still when he sat (despite dwest fouling a 3 pts shooter for a 4 pts play and Anderson giving up a couple of transition baskets off a blocked shot on MAnu and a TO.) Outside of that that unit was stout and did not give up a huge lead.
The groupoup that gave up the huge lead included Kmart and played in the second half. That was the big time collapse that KA was not a part of. It wasn't even on Kmart either as he did his thing well enough. It was actually the other guys in the bench, TO and bad transition defense that did them in. I think if you swap Kmart and Anderson it was going to be a wash though as neither guy was the reason for the meltdown IMO. In fact Pop probably played Kmart too long as Kawhi only played 30 minutes and he's been playing between 36-38.
It was dwindling while he was in. It was also a bad match-up for him, since Leonard and Green are the obvious Batum defenders, they don't really have another healthy small forward and the Spurs stayed big throughout.
I'm not blaming him, but it's yet another example of him not being a current fit. Sure, the Hornets were going to make at least somewhat of a run at some point and Martin did play the final five something of the half. But, if he's in with that unit, maybe the lead gets pushed from 23 to 28 before the inevitable run and they hold on at the end.
Either way, the closing schedule is too difficult to continue wasting minutes on a player who doesn't contribute in a specific area of need.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
kevin martin needs to play more. he was picked up because of the lack of scoring. martin sat on the bench while spurs couldn't score. seems like a waste to me. danny green sure as hell can't score
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
tholdren
kevin martin needs to play more. he was picked up because of the lack of scoring. martin sat on the bench while spurs couldn't score. seems like a waste to me. danny green sure as hell can't score
The sad part is that when he's in the game, he's been effective. Hitting shots an getting to the line.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
I think Pop was onto this when he had Kmart play with the SL and a mix of bench lineups. Pop is still figuring out where he will be able to fit in the best. I think the bench lacks an alpha right this seconds e has too many guys that pass up scoring opportunities and it goes beyond KA, bc they were not scoring well as a unit and Boris passed up shots, as did West and Manu, who I think doesn't have his confidence back, therefore he defers too much and gets into a playmaking/facilitator role among a group of other guys who are the same, right down to dwest.
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
I think Pop was onto this when he had Kmart play with the SL and a mix of bench lineups. Pop is still figuring out where he will be able to fit in the best. I think the bench lacks an alpha right this seconds e has too many guys that pass up scoring opportunities and it goes beyond KA, bc they were not scoring well as a unit and Boris passed up shots, as did West and Manu, who I think doesn't have his confidence back, therefore he defers too much and gets into a playmaking/facilitator role among a group of other guys who are the same, right down to dwest.
no kidding. this is why Spurs brought in martin
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
Where is all this alleged great shooting by KMart?
The last 5 years he hasn't cracked 50% true shooting percentage once.
43 the last couple years.
Why the hell was he such an urgent pick up? :downspin:
Re: Should KMart get some Green minutes when we need more offense, tbh?
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Originally Posted by
MultiTroll
Where is all this alleged great shooting by KMart?
The last 5 years he hasn't cracked 50% true shooting percentage once.
43 the last couple years.
Why the hell was he such an urgent pick up? :downspin:
can get to the line - better shooter than green. need someone to hold on to scoring/pace (ft line) when spurs inevitably go on a drought!
