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He hates the spurs anyway.
The hope was that he and Anderson would carry over synergy from summer league and replace manu via a compare contrast type mating.
I think he can be a nice energy player off the bench for a team..the league has a lot of available spots:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Like I said at the time, though, people are way too quick to crown a player..going from a D-league guy to a legit starter is extremely rare..apparently there's the belief that it's common, because Danny Green did it:lol..there's a reason these niggas aren't already in the league, it's very rare to find one that finds a nice niche, let alone a starter on a title team..
There are worse Spur prospects that are starting for teams, though..Alonzo Gee and Jamaychal Green weren't as good as Simmons has been with the Spurs, and both of those guys are currently starting for a team IIRC..so although I've never been a fan of his, I could definitely see him finding a bench role in the league as an energy/transition guy..
Simmons is too scared to shoot the ball. He passes up shots all the time and I just can't accept that anymore. It's really pissing me off.
Also, he needs to play a lot better defense. Ever since I read that article a few weeks ago where he said he's hanging his hat on his defense and it's all about effort, he's been pure shit on that end of the court. It's like he somehow got it in his head that good defense is only about effort and nothing else. I'm sorry Simms, but you need a wake up call if that is all you think good/great defense is about. There is a lot more to it than just "effort".
:lol agreed, half the league is tanking, there's always room for a relatively young talent on a cheap contract, tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
The thing with being on the Spurs is that he could've developed into a niche without the pressure packed situations he'll find himself in other teams...
But then again, he's "Pop's product" and has been on the "Spurs system" and that always seem to interest other GMs, coaches for some reason... wouldn't be surprising at all if Tom Rivers picks him up, for example :lol
Pretty much agreed. He's just not that good.
People talk about his driving, but he's only good at hitting a lane. He's actually pretty slow at changing directions. Lateral quickness isn't his thing.
He also has absolutely no midrange game whatsoever and is too dependent on driving to will himself to shoot threes
No doubt in my mind the spurs could get something for him at the draft if they have fallen out of love with his potential. Maybe only a second, but it's an asset.
And I think he can be more than a hustle player. Most hustle players can't pass like he can. Just compared to James White it's like night and day. Both older guys when they came in, and both getting notice for dunks, but even though White tooled around a little in the league, he never came close to matching the playmaking or the shooting of Simmons. Or the defense, which Simmons is still terrible at screens but remains better than White ever was.
Simmons is no Rodney Hood when it comes to young wings, but he's an NBA level player.
I'm sure he has worked hard in his time here. It's been a dream come true, I'm sure. If he gets waived for Martin I'm guessing his work here will help land him another job. If not he made hundreds of thousands of dollars and will have plenty of money for his kid's college funds. I know people here are talking about his drop off, but I think he 's gotten better at NBA ball since he got here.
In a nutshell, he's another Malik Hairston. He might get a few more chances, but the odds of him improving much beyond what he already is are slim to none. He's already past his physical prime and he's 3-4 years away from his NBA prime (if he can last that long). However, by the time his NBA prime catches up with his physical prime, he'll already be losing some of his athleticism. He can't shoot consistently and he doesn't play defense so when he loses his athleticism, he's done. If he wants to carve out a professional career, his bet bet is China where the competition isn't quite as cut throat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
On another team he'll be on his own to hire a trainer and try to improve his game. He won't have Chip or Chad to work with him, no Tim or Manu or Tony to point in in the right direction, and no system to hide in. There will be athletic, money hungry bubble dwellers who went undrafted trying to kill each other for a spot, and he might not be able to exist in that environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yeah, thinking long term, being a project for the Spurs probably makes more sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Physically he's fine for the NBA... he actually is probably above average athletically... he does need to improve, and I don't buy that players can't improve, especially guys that just got to the league and are experiencing for the first time that kind of competition. Even relatively seasoned players from Europe take a season or two to adapt and adjust... I do think if after 2-3 years you don't see marked improvement, then it's difficult it's going to happen for them... you can work in new aspects of your game as the years go by, but that mean you've already mastered the previous steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
He's obviously never going to be a "superstar" or anything like that, but I think he can be serviceable in this league if he does show some signs of improvement in the next couple of years. I mean, the league is littered with shitty talent, tbh, especially at the SG position. You have Harden, Klay Thompson, maybe JJ Reddick (which is really unidimensional) and then it pretty much drops to ancient guys like Wade, Manu or ISO Joe. It would be strange a guy athletically gifted like him wouldn't be able to make it, but he does need to find his niche at this level of competition in the next season or two. IMO, that's easier to do in a team like the Spurs, while winning and being a "project" than being thrown into the fire in Phila and end up going the way of Tony Wroten...
I think Simmons can be a solid player in the NBA. Right now, he's pressing. I think he's suffering from the old cliche of "not letting the game come to him". His athleticism is what gets him noticed, but he sometimes over does it. He always want to do the spectacular...wanting to jump through the roof on both offense and defense, when the simple play will do. I think he will be fine once he figures this out.
James White was never an NBA-caliber player, though..Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
When I say energy player, I'm not really insulting him..you can be an energy guy and be a productive part of an NBA rotation..
Somebody like Corey Brewer, for example..Simmons plays nothing like Brewer(Brewer doesn't really have any notable basketball skills, he's essentially a track athlete that plays basketball), at all, other than transition, but I'm just using him as an example of a guy that has had a productive career as a bench energy player..
Needs to work on his jumper and defense.....
I thought Brewer was touted as being a really good defender coming into the NBA. I thought that was his main skill, or am I remembering incorrectly?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Brewer is an interesting comparison because he's a player who was stupidly cut by a team and went on to have a very nice 10+ year career and career earnings over $50 million.
Simmons is probably too late to have a 10 year career, but he will be in the league.
James White in that dunk contest though.. Holy shit. Did he ever show his face around the NBA after that?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
It would be a HUGE mistake for the Spurs to give up on Simmons..he's inexperienced and you can't expect to see a huge jump in his game until this offseason. He's shown flashes this season but also shows his weakness that needs work. Attack those weaknesses and comeback next year (contract year) and see what the kid can do.
He may have lost playing time this season..but to expect Simmons to be a rotation player on a championship caliber team is a lot to ask for coming from the D-League..
Simmons is a perfect example of a guy with the physical tools to play the game, but whose game is not refined enough to survive in the league.
When he can get out in transition or finds a wide open lane to the rim, he looks like a NBA caliber player. But once teams have learned to pressure his poor dribbling and take a step back to take away the drive, he's been neutered. Suddenly he becomes turnover prone, isn't able to take the pull-up to keep his defender honest, and becomes just a space-filler on the floor.
Simmons is just in a funk. Spurs aren't cutting him. He is only going to be making 700k next year. Guy shows what he is capable of. He just needs to develop a pull up J as teams are playing off of him now, which negates his drives to the basket. If he does this, he will be deadly offensively. The fact that Chip took one of the worst shooting PG and made him highly efficient off his pull up J's, I have no doubt Simmons will improve over this working with Chip.
The guy is a rookie and honestly has exceeded his expectations for the year. Needs more time to develop his game further, which I think he is capable of.
Doubt Pop saw his Vine or whatever of him dissing the Spurs when they lost in the PO a few years back.
I dont see see him really turning the corner but props if he does. Maybe the off season he gets one the gym like Kawhi did and works on his all around game
Nigga starting eating good bread, grew over confident, minute sense of entitlement "started from da bottom now we..." Etc
Next thing you'll see is Simmons grows out his hair+beard, tatted up, sleeves...it's become cliché in the league. See: deandre Jordan, shumpert, baynes, Mills, Griffin, mcbob, etc
Or he's probably just going through a lengthy slump.