2011 SPURS' Draft from an Indiana Pacers Fans Perspective

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Originally Posted by BillMc

For the first couple years this was always cited as an example of a "win-win" trade i.e both teams benefited. But as the Pacers have fallen back into the pack and Kawhi ascended to an MVP candidate it is becoming more of a joke and obvious that RC fleeced Larry Legend.

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It's easy to look at trades 4+ years down the road, though. So many things happened in the meanwhile (playoffs experience, team chemistry, player development, injuries, playing time opportunities...) that it's almost meaningless, except to gloat.

PG made Kawhi redundant for them and they needed a player who could contribute immediately, not a project, so yes it was a win-win trade. It could easily have gone the other way. And I remember that not everybody here was pleased to see GHill go for a shy, goofy rookie forward.

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

I agree. Makes me wonder if the Spurs selected someone like Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter or Tristan Thomas how much different their games would be.

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I dont know, but what I know is that Tim and Pop will still have only 4 rings today.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

If you redid that draft today who is your Top 5?

1. Kawhi
2. Kyrie
3. Butler
4. Klay
5. A lot guys could go here, but I'll be a homer and go with Cory. Probably should be Tristan Thompson though.

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I'd say Vucevic, easily, he's a 15 & 10 center shooting better than 50%.

Vucevic > Thompson > Faried > Kemba >>> CoJo.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

If you redid that draft today who is your Top 5?

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1. Kawhi
2. Kyrie
3. Butler
4. Klay
5. Vucevic/Tobias/Thompson/Isaiah/Parsons/Kemba/Faried

I remember back then, this draft class was considered weak and the only safe future star pick was Irving. 'Experts' were also high on Vesely because he was an athletic European player :lol .

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Originally Posted by BillMc

If you redid that draft today who is your Top 5?

1. Kawhi
2. Kyrie
3. Butler
4. Klay
5. A lot guys could go here, but I'll be a homer and go with Cory. Probably should be Tristan Thompson though.

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Man you are a homer! :lol
I like Cory, but there's a few I would put in front of him. Thompson, Faried, Harris, Mirotić, before they got injured, Motiejūnas and Shumpert to name a few from the first round. Like someone mentioned, Chandler Parsons and Isaiah Thomas also were picked in the second round.

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

I agree. Makes me wonder if the Spurs selected someone like Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter or Tristan Thomas how much different their games would be.

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enes kanter is not a good character, lazy, muppet show, no defense. he cant be fixed. pop would kick his ass asap i think.

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

I agree. Makes me wonder if the Spurs selected someone like Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter or Tristan Thomas how much different their games would be.

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I can talk about Williams, but I dont know his work ethic. In college he was freak athlete, but a tweener, without proven jump shot. If he`d put same amout of work as Kawhi, well who knows.

2011 draft by WS:

1) Kawhi Leonard
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Isaiah Thomas
4) Kyrie Irving
5) Kenneth Faried
6) Klay Thompson
7) Chandler Parsons
8) Tristan Thompson
9) Jonas Valanciunas
10) Nikola Vucevic
11) Kemba Walker
12) Reggie Jackson
13) Enes Kanter
14) Tobias Harris
15) Markieff Morris
16) Marcus Morris
17) Bismack Biyombo
18) Derrick Williams
19) Cory Joseph
20) Lavoy Allen
21) Brandon Knight
22) Kyle Singler
23) Iman Shumpert
24) Alec Burks
25) Niloka Mirotic (with a bullet)
26) Jon Leuer
27) Donatas Montiejunas
28) Shelvin Mack
29) E'Tuan Moore
30) Jan Vesely

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Originally Posted by Drom John

2011 draft by WS:

1) Kawhi Leonard
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Isaiah Thomas
4) Kyrie Irving
5) Kenneth Faried
6) Klay Thompson
7) Chandler Parsons
8) Tristan Thompson
9) Jonas Valanciunas
10) Nikola Vucevic
11) Kemba Walker
12) Reggie Jackson
13) Enes Kanter
14) Tobias Harris
15) Markieff Morris
16) Marcus Morris
17) Bismack Biyombo
18) Derrick Williams
19) Cory Joseph
20) Lavoy Allen
21) Brandon Knight
22) Kyle Singler
23) Iman Shumpert
24) Alec Burks
25) Niloka Mirotic (with a bullet)
26) Jon Leuer
27) Donatas Montiejunas
28) Shelvin Mack
29) E'Tuan Moore
30) Jan Vesely

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:lol

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

Man, what would happen if we draft Jimmy Butler instead of Cory.

Butler at SG and Kawhi at SF. Wow

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Is that the worst mistake that PATFO made?

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Originally Posted by turkish spurs fan

if kawhi were in indiana roster (or play for another nba team), he would not be kawhi leonard today.

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Of course Pop/Spurs maximized his potential, but that doesn't mean he would be a scrub on another team. He is the only player the Spurs traded up in the draft to get which means that they knew he's talented.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

If you redid that draft today who is your Top 5?

1. Kawhi
2. Kyrie
3. Butler
4. Klay
5. A lot guys could go here, but I'll be a homer and go with Cory. Probably should be Tristan Thompson though.

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Kyrie, IMO, is the one of the most overrated players. His only value is getting to the basket. His defense is awful and he is pretty stupid for a PG.
Cory will always be one of my favourite players. He doesn't do anything spectacular but he always does the right thing and plays within his limits. That is a rare thing, especially with a young PG.
Like the list, but Butler should go second and Klay third. Cory 5-10.

It's too bad that Lorbek's knee injury killed his career. He was playing quite well before that. His lack of defense was always going to limit his usefulness but he could score in a variety of ways.

Did you compile that entire list tbh? :lol

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Originally Posted by TheMulletMan3000

Is that the worst mistake that PATFO made?

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There'd be no LMA right now, so I don't see it as much of a mistake. Plus, if Butler and Rose can't seem to share the ball, how could Butler, Parker and Kawhi do so? You already have people PMSing about Kawhi not getting enough touches as it is.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

There'd be no LMA right now, so I don't see it as much of a mistake. Plus, if Butler and Rose can't seem to share the ball, how could Butler, Parker and Kawhi do so? You already have people PMSing about Kawhi not getting enough touches as it is.

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:lol Don't know, but Butler seems to me like the perfect Spur. It's important that the players aren't PMSing about the number of touches.

I'd love to see a similar post of comments from this site about the trade for Kwahi. As I recall, a lot of us were mystified by the FO trading a proven player to get an unknown defensive guy with not much offense.

One of the funniest lines went like this: If San Antonio comes to you with a trade, say no. You're gonna get fleeced.

But another guy went one better. "Good night. My wife wants to “snuggle”…so I guess I’m goint to go up stairs and get “San Antonio’d” by the wifey."