Ettore Messina coached a good game tbh

I disagree that Messina coached a good game. I don't think that he 'coached' at all.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

I disagree that Messina coached a good game. I don't think that he 'coached' at all.

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Agree to disagree :toast

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Originally Posted by barakz21

Wait, what happened to pop??? Missed the game or got thrown out???

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Out to tend to family medical situation. Will miss Minny game as well.

I don't think he should have played Manu down the stretch. As much as I am a fan, he just got back from injury. His first game back was an adrenaline game. They need to take it a little slower.

Poorly called game on both sides of the ball. Kawhi was getting frustrated. Even so, he needs to get back to being quiet Kawhi, seems to be complaining a lot lately.

I also think there was a little cloud hanging over this game knowing one of your friends won't be there for the next game.

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Originally Posted by Old School 44

I don't think he should have played Manu down the stretch. As much as I am a fan, he just got back from injury. His first game back was an adrenaline game. They need to take it a little slower.

Poorly called game on both sides of the ball. Kawhi was getting frustrated. Even so, he needs to get back to being quite Kawhi, seems to be complaining a lot lately.

I also think there was a little cloud hanging over this game knowing one of your friends won't be there for the next game.

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Solid takes.

He overplayed our players. Especially with 5 games in 7 nights.

He should have mixed it up with the refs a little. Pop would have had a technical last night with the amount of contact the Pacers were giving to Leonard.

He called a bad timeout when the Spurs had an inbounds fast break and a Pacer player was under the basket whinning about a foul. See if you can take advantage of the numbers before you call a timeout.

Obviously the Spurs not being able to score a basket in the first half and missing about 8 point blank layups and about 8 wide open threes played a major part in the loss.

Absolutely not a fan of his conservative lineups..... ever since he got on board the spurs have gone conservative.

you don't win championships being conservative... you need to roll the dice and exhausting your starters in the regular season it total CYA.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

Out to tend to family medical situation. Will miss Minny game as well.

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I see, thanks for bud!

Pretty sure Messina didn't make the team miss 19/39 shots at the rim and 21/24 threes. It may not have been a perfectly coached game, but it definitely was not the reason we lost.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Pretty sure Messina didn't make the team miss 19/39 shots at the rim and 21/24 threes. It may not have been a perfectly coached game, but it definitely was not the reason we lost.

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You can say that about any loss. Hell, or any win. Pop goes on and on about how the players do everything and he just tries to push it along. Then he collects eight figures a year.

The team came out flat mentally last night. I'm not saying that it's his fault they didn't really ever turn it on, but he certainly wasn't an inspiration for them. And to me, that's a lot worse than just not being perfect.

lol no

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Originally Posted by Dex

Pretty sure Messina didn't make the team miss 19/39 shots at the rim and 21/24 threes. It may not have been a perfectly coached game, but it definitely was not the reason we lost.

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Pop also has nothing to do when Kawhi and LMA go apeshit on teams. But that's not the point is it

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You can say that about any loss. Hell, or any win. Pop goes on and on about how the players do everything and he just tries to push it along. Then he collects eight figures a year.

The team came out flat mentally last night. I'm not saying that it's his fault they didn't really ever turn it on, but he certainly wasn't an inspiration for them. And to me, that's a lot worse than just not being perfect.

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The damn problem is that he was not keen enough to put someone with motivation on the court.

I mean, seeing how they played in the 1st quarter, he should have just thrown in a lot of scrubs to make them win the game. Rather, he sticks with his uninspired vets and it still got nowhere.

I am absolutely sure if he had Simmons and Boban play, they would play with a lot more fire than the guys who were on the court most of the game..

Fail!

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Originally Posted by EVAY

I disagree that Messina coached a good game. I don't think that he 'coached' at all.

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Wasn't his job to coach that night, but to manage minutes. How do you coach a team for one day at this point in the season... THAT team?

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Originally Posted by DMC

Wasn't his job to coach that night, but to manage minutes. How do you coach a team for one day at this point in the season... THAT team?

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That's all well and good, but then the premise of this thread is negated. Messina was a substitute teacher last night. That's fine, but it certainly wasn't "good".

I was at the game. The players were all extremely happy in the shootaround. The ball just didn't go in. Bill Keneddy and the girl reffing gave the players and Messina no respect. As always a scrub had a fluke game against us (Stuckey in the 1st half). That was the ball game right there. When they tried in the 2nd half it was too late.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

He was pretty much a substitute teacher. He didn't lose the game, but he also did almost nothing to win it. I'm not willing to close the book on him because of this game, but it didn't mitigate my reluctance about him, either.

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I am starting to be more skeptical of him bc of this game, bc while he had nothing to do with guys missing shots he didn't have any adjustments to change the dynamics either and went away from guys that were playing fairly well (Kyle 2ndt Q to stick with Manu too long) I would have like to have seen Boban for a little bit maybe even try to get Turner in foul trouble. He could have also given Simmons and Anderson a try together as well and just tell Simmons to stick to his strengths.

It was a poor coaching job to stick with your good players when they are struggling and not adding any wrinkle to the plan to stop the bleeding.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Wasn't his job to coach that night, but to manage minutes. How do you coach a team for one day at this point in the season... THAT team?

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MANAGE MINUTES...! Good trolling! :lol

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I am starting to be more skeptical of him bc of this game, bc while he had nothing to do with guys missing shots he didn't have any adjustments to change the dynamics either and went away from guys that were playing fairly well (Kyle 2ndt Q to stick with Manu too long) I would have like to have seen Boban for a little bit maybe even try to get Turner in foul trouble. He could have also given Simmons and Anderson a try together as well and just tell Simmons to stick to his strengths.

It was a poor coaching job to stick with your good players when they are struggling and not adding any wrinkle to the plan to stop the bleeding.

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Sure our core guys shot an abysmal percentage, but why stick with them? Decisions were NOT NBA caliber. (Shades of Thibs, tbh.) Spending all your veteran currency on the first night of a B2B is something Pop never would have done - ESPECIALLY when they were playing TURRIBLE for whatever reason. Messina did nothing more than anybody on ST could have done last night - probably worse than some, tbh. On the heels of last night's debacle, tonight will be very interesting from a coaching perspective.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Sure our core guys shot an abysmal percentage, but why stick with them? Decisions were NOT NBA caliber. (Shades of Thibs, tbh.) Spending all your veteran currency on the first night of a B2B is something Pop never would have done - ESPECIALLY when they were playing TURRIBLE for whatever reason. Messina did nothing more than anybody on ST could have done last night - probably worse than some, tbh. On the heels of last night's debacle, tonight will be very interesting from a coaching perspective.

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Thibodeau is precisely who he reminded me off, running the good players to the ground even when they are struggling and not throwing any wrinkles or energy guys there when energy was perhaps needed. Not a very creative coach.

Messina definitely has that old-school rigidity about him..Nothing against him, and it is only one game, but i would rather see young blood take over from Pop once that day comes..Ime and Becky, in a lead assistant role, would be my choice as of today (Who knows, maybe Bud/Brett Brown are going to be avaiable in few years)..But, in general, i prefer guys who can relate better with nowadays players...that generational divide has to be addressed at some point in the Spurs..not every 55-60 yo coach can be as malleabe as Pop and it is going to be even more tricky for him when he can't flash the rings..

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Originally Posted by spursistan

Messina definitely has that old-school rigidity about him..Nothing against him, and it is only one game, but i would rather see young blood take over from Pop once that day comes..Ime and Becky, in a lead assistant role, would be my choice as of today (Who knows, maybe Bud/Brett Brown are going to be avaiable in few years)..But, in general, i prefer guys who can relate better with nowadays players...that generational divide has to be addressed at some point in the Spurs..not every 55-60 yo coach can be as malleabe as Pop and it is going to be even more tricky for him when he can't flash the rings..

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Exactly. Don't really know what Messina's value is - maybe Xs and Os? Certainly not decision-making on the bench. My choice/hope for the future would be Bud.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Exactly. Don't really know what Messina's value is - maybe Xs and Os? Certainly not decision-making on the bench. My choice/hope for the future would be Bud.

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Mine would be Becky.

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Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Mine would be Becky.

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She was excellent in SL, but she is too short on real experience at this point. Jury is still out. Much depends on how many more seasons Pop chooses to coach.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

She was excellent in SL, but she is too short on real experience at this point. Jury is still out. Much depends on how many more seasons Pop chooses to coach.

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Accurate take.