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Originally Posted by tmtcsc
And then he said John Salley LMFAO HAHAHA
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HAHAHAHHAQuote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
And then he said John Salley LMFAO HAHAHA
That's all it would take. You could start Luc Longley against Bogut but Salley was better at running the floor. Bulls bring Steve Kerr, Ron Harper and Buechler off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
Are you a teenager or in your 20's? I mean, I get it. If you never saw them play or just saw snippets of them in highlights, I understand why you think the Warriors could hang. You probably just look at the stats and make up your mind. The NBA this season is abysmal and the Spurs and Warriors' records are beneficiaries.
This Warriors team is going to eventually melt down and lose. The Spurs will put them away if it doesn't happen before they meet.
The Sixers and Lakers are the equivalent of what the Griz and Raps were back then. They are the 6 easy wins today. Throw in Nets and Suns and it becomes 12 easy wins if your the Warriors or Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
There were other bad teams in '95. And not many good teams in the East or West. And teams could only protect their top 7 players, I believe, so many good teams lost quality bench guys making even those teams weaker. Today's NBA is deeper with teams scouting talent all over the world. In 1995, the global market for players had barely been tapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
The expansion draft did not weaken the talent of the league. Back then they were only 12 official guys on the roster and you could only protect 8. The 4 players who weren't protected tended to be shitty granted there was at times 1 good role player out of the 4 available. The best player out of that expansion draft was Doug Christie and the rest tended to be guys who were old vets or just scrubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NBA_Expansion_Draft
They were good teams back in '95 and yes the global market hadn't been tapped but at the same time the college players that came out back then were infinitely better back then versus today. Here is how the NBA looked back then records wise http://www.landofbasketball.com/year..._standings.htm
The league is much more athletic today, so I don't know that skill of 90s beats today's athleticism. But take 9th best player off the Spurs and it would impact us.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Don't buy the athletic argument. David Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Shaq ,Hakeem,Alonzo, Larry Johnson,Ewing,Mutumbo were athletic freaks back then and would have still been today. I have hard time believing Karl Malone wouldn't be effective in today's league. Kevin Johnson,Grant Hill,Scottie Pippen, Penny Hardaway,Clyde Drexler,Dominique Wilkins, Eddie Jones,Sprewell,JR Rider would have still been athletic today. I could name others but you see what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Kids now adays dont even know about hoops in the mid/late 90's.
Yes, but I have little doubt that Lillard, LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, etc. would do well in the 90s. But the overall athleticism is better today than it was in the 90s, no question.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Lillard is an awful chucker under handchecking he would be rendered useless considering he currently shoots a pathetic 41 percent under these perimeter friendly rules. Also whose to say that guys like Tim Hardaway,Gary Payton,Kevin Johnson would not have been even better players in this current era where perimeter players are protected. I think Kawhi would be even a better defender during the 90's because he would be allowed to hand check plus his post game is even more suited for the 90's. Lebron would still be a great player during that era because of his size but I do think it would be harder for him to win since he doesn't like physical play.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Again I don't buy your argument about the overall athleticism being better. Look at the current Spurs I would say Simmons is the only super athlete on the team. Kawhi and Green have above average athleticism but aren't out of this world. The rest of the team is composed of guys who have great fundamentals and basketball IQ that's why they win a lot of games. On my home team the Hornets the only super athlete is Michael Kidd-Gillchrist. Kemba and Batum have above average athletic abilities but after that the rest team is just average. I'm sure if you break down all the teams in the league they have similar compositions with a few teams out there being the exceptions.
Don't bother arguing with old, bitter NBA fans, bro:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cd98
There's nothing saltier than a 90s NBA fan, I've never seen anything like it, tbh..
:( we love watching ugly, slow-paced basketball with goons and mid-range jump shots that are only worth 2 points :(
:lol Right and watching guys jack up 3's on every possession along with getting touch fouls is very exciting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Probably true, though I am a fan from the 90s. I’m just realistic.If Mark Price could be as great as he was in the 90s, why not Curry and Lillard.There were some flawed teams in the 90s, just like today.For example, the Spurs regularly won 50 games in the 90s, but if you watched at the time, you knew those rosters were pretty much David Robinson and a bunch of average players. Same with the Rockets and Hakeem.There weren’t a lot of power teams.Just a lot of one team superstars.And Chicago was one of the few teams with several good players.So the idea that Chicago, as good a team as they were, are leaps and bounds better than the Spurs and the GSW of today is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
It was great to see those Knicks/Heat games that were 72 to 68. Please take us back to those days.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
I like older fans(35+) that appreciate every era of basketball and recognize the pros/cons of each individual generation, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Most fans of previous eras don't behave that way, though..
Who's bitter or old? Just stating facts. Do you really think a healthy and young Shaq would be at a disadvantage if he played in today's league? Hell, Tim played in the 90's too. Do you think a young Tim Duncan or Hakeem Olajuwon would have trouble dominating in today's league? That's just ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
The Houston Rockets dominated the Orlando Magic with an inside out game. Hakeem killed em down low while Cassell, Drexler, Elie and Horry nailed 3's.
The star players of the 90's had athleticism AND skill. Many of today's players have off the chart athleticism but are as dumb as rocks when it comes to playing the game. Young players are coming out of college at a higher rate and they are unprepared to play the game. They lack skill and BB IQ.
It’s funny because when Shaq played for the Suns, he spent all his time running from free throw line to free throw line because he couldn’t keep up with the pace. I do agree that the big man is lost in today’s game, but mostly because if you are not an extraordinary talent, like prime Shaq or Robinson or Hakeem, then you can’t make an NBA roster (say Donaldson or many of the other starting centers in the 90s that weren’t superstars).Yes, there were great players that played in Jordan’s era (though Shaq was in his prime about two years after Jordan retired), but there are equally great players today.I doubt LeBron would have any trouble dominating in the 90s given his size and speed. And some NBA bigs of the 90s would have trouble getting minutes in an era where all 5 players can shoot the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Jack Sikma, Arvydas Sabonis, Chris Webber, Shawn Kemp, Rasheed Wallace, Sam Perkins and Bill Laimbeer all shot 3's as part of their game. They just didn't do it as much as bigs in today's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
As for Lebron, he could have played in any era but he is a true superstar. I question his will to win at any cost like a Kobe or MJ but he's no doubt one of the best of all time.
When Shaq played with Orlando and LA, he went coast to coast with the ball. You can't compare old Shaq with young Shaq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b866hh4apUI
Check this out just for fun: Highlights of DRob vs Shaq:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XivZd3mRVw
Anthony Davis, Boogie Cousins....LOL
On a side note, can you imagine a pre back surgery David from this video and a 2003 Tim Duncan starting together?
any player perimeter of "ERA hand-checking" would be easier in today's game, any current perimeter player would have more difficulty in 90s. Talking about the Bulls96 playing today, good luck using screens against Harper, Rodman, Jordan and Pippen. Then trying to stop Jordan without hand-checking (he would probably have 20 free throws per game)
How is doubting previous stars any more ignorant than doubting today's stars? That's as hypocritical as you can get, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
The 90s had plenty of skilled players, but it also had a ton of goons that only made the league because they were 7-foot stiffs in a time where a post game was the standard for the league..
Also, I don't know why older people act like shooting 3-pointers isn't a skill:lol
Hand-checking is not real basketball, tbh..it rewards a lack of athleticism and promotes ugly basketball..Quote:
Originally Posted by r0drig0lac
Damn, I hadn't realized we were that close to not getting it for some reason. I'm sure the Dubs won't get it either for what it's worth.
I can understand why you think that (though I disagree)Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Don't really miss stiffs like Raef Lafrentz or Shawn Bradley, tbh...