FUCKIN' BONNER!!!!!!!:bang
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FUCKIN' BONNER!!!!!!!:bang
Putting up numbers in a 20 point loss, tbh. Green showed signs, but even with his improvement he wouldn't crack the Spurs rotation. He's just another of a long line of guys who can't make it as Spurs who can play for bad teams.
Not that I am lamenting his loss, but he has played well even when they have been winning without Gasol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I really thought Ayers should have been waived and this guy would have helped last season. Consider all the minutes that went in the drain bc Tiago got injured and you needed to play and start Matt Bonner, when he was not shooting like he is this season, and needed minute s from Baynes at PF. There are at least a couple of games this guy might have swung our way. That was enough for a higher seeding.
I wasn't delusional projecting him to be a star or anything but he had solid roleplayer potential. Daye and Ayers were your guys to waive and this guy looked better than th from SL through preseason. Heck J.Green had a more dominant dleague stint that the one Ayers had b4 he was picked up by the Grizz.
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Nothing but ashes by now, but I made his church thread..
Fuck Matt Bonner and any vanilla fan who love em
I'm pretty sure he could have played for us, given that I'm pretty sure we offered him a contract and he turned it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
If Green is one of the select few to make it into the NBA and stick around a while, then I'll be super happy for him.
Jeff Ayres played for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I liked him a lot, and I wanted us to keep him. But Scola was the one that got away, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
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Originally Posted by RD2191
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
Bonner had nothing to do with it. It was all about maximizing cap space to pursue a max free agent. Green wanted guaranteed money for 2015-16. The Spurs wouldn't give that to him. Memphis did.
Without a couple of pieces of evidence, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. The Spurs had a loaded roster and he didn't make the cut. The chances he was given he did little to show that he was anything more than a big athletic frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
Nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
True. When they were on the same summer league team, Ayres was better, and that only got him the 15th spot on the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
Looked it up. He got a 10 day contract and played a few games. He didn't stick. You're partially right that they did offer him a contract. I think he took Daye's spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
This is the reason he's not here. It wasn't at all that he wasn't wanted, or that he couldn't play like other points out.
I am happy for him that even though he's on another team, his time and effort through Austin served him well. :tu. He did well to persevere and get his contract. He also got his chance to show his game. Time on the Spurs was available last season bc of the Tiago injury and Ayers being such a poor option, but this season it's cramped.
I'm aware of that but FUCK BONNER!:bangQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Well, not that it matters, but that's being fully right. Not partially. He could have played here. He was offered a full contract after his ten day, and he balked at it. He chose not to play here, but could have. Was asked to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Dude is killing it for my fantasy team. 46 points two days ago and 35 tonight? SA-WEET!
Being offered a contract =/= being offered PT. The money was the same, so he picked the bad team in order to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
He's doing well - I don't get the narrative that he's a scrub putting up numbers on a bad team. They are a playoff team. In the West. I guess if you are a Spurs fan, everyone other team sucks? Most teams it's a big deal to be a playoff team for several years in a row.
Sure. I'll take the loss. Semantics. He could have sat the bench for all 82 games and the playoffs. If that's what you believe would have happened. Otherwise, even if he clocks in once, he would have "played". But, this is not the sort of conversation that I wanted to be in. Pretty bushed. So, what we''ve established is that I'm wrong. Green was offered a full contract to not play. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
The league/dleague is filled with Spurs washouts, what's your point
Alonzo Gee
Garrett Temple
CoJo
Beno
Errors
Steve Novak
Nazr Mohammed
to name a few. Who cares they all suck
Actually, it does matter, and you weren't right at all. I was just trying to be nice. Doubt that's gonna happen again. In truth, they signed him to a 10 day, and then they waived him. Highly unlikely that he chose not to play with the Spurs and instead went to Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlecoyotecoin
Good point. If there had been a choice he would have been wise to choose the Grizz for that reason, but he was on his way back to Austin when the Grizzlies signed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I am more than happy to have Mel_13 explain it to you while I sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
The money wasn't the same. He got his first two years guaranteed with Memphis. That wasn't going to happen with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
LCC was actually completely correct in his interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Shams Charania ✔ @ShamsCharania
After negotiating new terms on a deal, JaMychal Green and the Spurs couldn't reach agreement and will part, league sources tell RealGM.
2:29 PM - 27 Jan 2015
Shams Charania ✔ @ShamsCharania
After negotiating new terms on a deal, JaMychal Green and the Spurs couldn't reach agreement and will part, league sources tell RealGM.
2:29 PM - 27 Jan 2015
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/...reen-part-ways
DPG's post from the Green thread last year:
Sportac's breakdown of Green's contract:Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Seeing as the Spurs stashed their pick they were so keen to make space, there's very little reason to doubt that they rejected the idea of guaranteeing that second year.Quote:
JaMychal Green signed a 3 year / $1,959,785 contract with the Memphis Grizzlies, including $979,354 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $653,262. In 2015-16, Green will earn a base salary of $845,059. Green has a cap hit of $845,059 while his dead money value is $845,059.
The Spurs didn't reject him. He rejected their offer and got a better one from Memphis. He made about a million more dollars by NOT re-signing with the Spurs. And I assume that was something he and his agent were banking on when they turned SA down. And I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the team guaranteed Simmons' first year immediately.
I'd rather have Bonner. Green is a locker room cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Trolling? Curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFMadison
Thanks for the longer answer, but that pretty much means that the Spurs said no thanks. Glad Green got a chance to stick somewhere, but it wasn't going to be in San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Spurs had much bigger plans. That was to have a lot of cap room to negotiate for Aldridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Notice how Simmons was signed only after everyone else was signed. Spurs wanted that flexibility.
Spurs mistake of course was to call him up and not be able to deliver on the contract they wanted. The should have never called him up and hope other teams overlook his skills (like Simmons).
another player that got waived instead of Bonner...
Green is turning into a solid player. Good for him. Guy has worked hard. Would love for him to be on the Spurs, but I doubt he is the reason the Spurs win or lose a championship.
Yes. They said no thanks to guaranteeing him on a two year deal, which inevitably was his market value. Just like they said "no thanks" to Joseph for similar reasons. It didn't mean that they didn't want either player, or either player wasn't "good enough" to "play" for them, but they weren't in a position to pay market value based upon reserving cap space for Aldridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
If he or Joseph would have accepted min deals, they would have both played. You being nice is just a transparent stick save. Trying to turn a loss into a draw, moving the goal posts, etc.
It's nothing personal. You can be mean or nice. Whatever. But, the notion that he wasn't good enough to play here has been squarely refuted by two other quality posters you also disregard, so there's not much point in me discussing it any further. The goal posts have already been moved to "He's not good enough to play here on a TWO YEAR GUARANTEED DEAL DURING THE SPURS PURSUIT OF A MAX FREE AGENT." That goal post doesn't seem worth arguing. But, it wasn't the original sentiment of your complaint about him.
Technically it sounds like they both said no. Green to the contract offered by the Spurs, then the Spurs to the counter offer from Green. So everyone is right and we can join virtual hands and sing Kumbaya.
I don't anything good has ever come from adults joining hands and sing Kumbaya.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
Just my opinion....
During Memphis winning streak, the guy was avg like 10 ppg and 7 rpg. in like 25-27 minutes per contest. Grizz are 8-4 w/ him in the starting lineup. Guy would have been a great player coming off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Like people mentioned, he probably felt he was done developing and went to the team that would give him more minutes to get in game experience. But don't kid yourself that the Spurs had to let people slip through the cracks b/c of Bonner. I like Bonner, but IMO, his time with the Spurs should be over after this year. It's time to bring on Bertans to replace his old nonathletic ass.
I don't think it was an issue with keeping Bonner or not. It was about guaranteeing more than a year's worth of contract. That was something the Spurs could not do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Remember, Ayres was not signed. Bonner had to get a new contract. That contract was after everyone else was signed.
...and stated so articulately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
I didn't think Bonner was a factor, as he seems to have his name engraved into the roster. I don't like Bonner, but it never occurred to me that the front office would consider giving his spot to Green, as I'm sure it never occurred to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
Nah he played in my hometown. Guy is always getting into fights with players/coaches. It could be tolerated if he was a superstar but....Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
21/10 against Anthony Davis:bang
Pop did a good thing by sending him on his way. Ryan Anderson guarded him for the majority of the game also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
:wakeup
abusing the turd towers. Shooting like it's his home court.
Still not as bad as trading away Paul George.
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Originally Posted by GSH
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Originally Posted by GSH
Spurstalk inside joke.......Quote:
Originally Posted by PopTheGOAT
Ah, I seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
paul george hill was a hell of a player until that freak accident split him into two players.Quote:
Originally Posted by PopTheGOAT
Fuck Matt Bonner
Fixed...Quote:
The one that got away: Luis Scola
So far this season he has shat on Davis, Towns, Draymond & Julia :pctoss
:pop::flipoff
The real one that got away was Rudy Gobert, one pick ahead of Kyle Anderson:depressed
That's forgivable since Gobert was already off the boards & Shitter was still on the roster. On the other hand, waiving JaMychal in favor of washed-up Bonner is inexcusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Haha, this thread will be gold next year when dedmon is earning dpoy. "Man I wish we had kept ayres"
Errors, Bonner, or Fathead should've been cut
JMG sucked when he played for the Spurs. But if anyone besides him should be blamed it should be Pop for not getting in his ear and telling him to be more assertive.
Wouldn't have happened at the numbers he was putting up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Corey Joseph over Jimmy Butler, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Wtf are you talking about? He played a total of 25 minutes with the Spurs :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
8pts, 6rebs, 2blks in that time :wakeup
Drew Carlos Gooden also had one hell of an accident for his splitQuote:
Originally Posted by K...
But he wasn't a token white ginger head stiff.:sleep: http://www.packersnews.com/videos/sp...4/24/83464488/Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
:pop:: JaMychal Green would 'still be a Spur if we had the room':rolleyes
All but those 3 rebounds were garbage time stats in a 23 point loss to Chicago. In his other three outings, he just stood in a corner as the team sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
That mistake wasn't for Kyle. The guy they drafted that season was Livio JC.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Livio Jean-Charles LMAO :lol
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Mixed up the draft, yikes that's much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
To be fair Butler was supposed to a 3 and D type, not what he is now. Kawhi is a better player and younger so its not like the Spurs walked away with nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Cojo turned out to be a very good NBA player. I remember Draft experts saying that the Spurs reached (some had him as a 2nd round, in the forties)
That was a very good draft
Irving
Thompson
Leonard
Kemba
Issiah Thomas
Jimmy Buttler
Jonas V.
Tristin Thompson
TBH, Butler had already dropped about 14 spots under the projections; whereas, CoJo was projected to be a 2nd rounder. It was a bad pick even if CoJo was serviceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
injury loss. IF he didn't blow a knee we've have seen him much sooner and he'd be freakish athlete. He was not a bad pick at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Could have drafted Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Isaiah Thomas in the same draft. Jimmy and Isaiah were both taken a pick after the Spurs.
Bad take. He was horribly outmatched even in the Summer League. Guys were pushing him around like he was a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by K...
LJC had the best stats at the Nike Hoops Summit game among lottery talents. At the time of drafting, he looked like a steal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Julia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Probably RandleQuote:
Originally Posted by Manufan909
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal
I guess Memphis organization changed him a bit. This season he feels more comfortable, everyone knows that Fizdale is amazing with relationships with players. Also, a true motivator.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFMadison
It's nice to see a player finding his place on a team, Green is doing it.
happy for him, but I still don't consider him any good. Sure, he'd be better than all lakers big combined, but that isn't saying much.