Last night's game from Parker was an example of how he needs to be that 3rd scorer

in the lineup. Perfect balance among our 3 best scorers, and that's the kind of consistency we're going to need from those 3 moving into the post-season. The bench was absolute garbage, which is something that typically happens in the post-season (role players disappearing, vets getting gassed or banged up, young players shitting their pants, etc), and when games like this happen, LMA and Kawhi just won't be enough. If Parker had an "Enrique" game, we lose our first home game.

Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).

And if the bench comes alive (they've been dormant for like 2 weeks) again, we have a chance at winning this thing.

Last night parker took a shit on spurstalk. slomo had to clean up the mess :lol


:lmao short bus

Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

Porker going for 20 a night is a sure bomb getting ready to go off. :lmao

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Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

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Did you brush your teeth after Parker incrusted a turd in your mouth? :lmao

Was about to lose his starting job to a Fossil and decided to come back and play. :lmao

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

Last playoffs. :lmao

2014. :lmao

2013. :lmao

Paid 3 mil a year to play 25 minutes and outperform his counterpart. :lmao

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

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Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

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Most of ST must agree with me if they didn't go and "talk shit". :lmao

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Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

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Faggot. :lmao

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Patty Mills is more consistent than Porker though...

Your whole premise. :lmao

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Patty "Can't finish a layup" Mills. Yeah, okay.

He fits his role nicely off the bench as this team's Eddie House, but that's it.

I don't know why you're still on board the anti-Parker train. Your masters Apa and FKLA have admitted long ago that this team needs him if we want to make a run.

Advocating Tony is the new "contrarian." Keep up with the trends, bro.

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Most of ST must agree with me if they didn't go and "talk shit". :lmao

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No....it means nobody gives a fuck about you.

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No....it means nobody gives a fuck about you.

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sorry brah. :lmao

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Patty "Can't finish a layup" Mills. Yeah, okay.

He fits his role nicely off the bench as this team's Eddie House, but that's it.

I don't know why you're still on board the anti-Parker train. Your masters Apa and FKLA have admitted long ago that this team needs him if we want to make a run.

Advocating Tony is the new "contrarian." Keep up with the trends, bro.

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You mean Porker can't finish a layup? He can't even finish 2 on 1's or 1 on 1 fast breaks even when he is ahead. :lmao

Poster can't back it up so he talks shit. :lmao

Low IQ faggot. :lmao

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2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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:lol Not knowing how those stats work.

You realize Patty faces second unit scrub PGs for the majority of his minutes, don't you?

:lol Going off on the Marcelo Huertas and Phil Presseys of the league

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:lol Not knowing how those stats work.

You realize Patty faces second unit scrub PGs for the majority of his minutes, don't you?

:lol Going off on the Marcelo Huertas and Phil Presseys of the league

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RPM is adjusted for all players faggot. :lmao

that includes playing against inferior players. :lmao

And Patty doesn't just play vs bench players. :lmao

Does this guy even watch basketball? All his points are getting destroyed. :lmao

Porker was the WORST player in the Playoffs last year. No debating. :lmao

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You mean Porker can't finish a layup? He can't even finish 2 on 1's or 1 on 1 fast breaks even when he is ahead. :lmao

Poster can't back it up so he talks shit. :lmao

Low IQ faggot. :lmao

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Drives:

Patty House: 0.2-0.4 for 51.7%. Patty doesn't even average half a drive attempt per game, that's how afraid he is of penetrating, since he knows he's shit at it.

Tony Parker: 1.9-3.7 for 51.8%.

You can stop digging now.

To be fair Huertas is a pretty bad ass PG. If he was on the Spurs, Mills would be hunting kangaroo back in his homeland

tony porker TS% playoffs

2012-13	30	SAS	NBA	PG	21	765	21.5	.521	.085	.307	2.2	7.8	5.1	34.6	1.7	0.3	11.3	28.9		1.7	0.8	2.4	.152		3.6	-0.8	2.8	0.9
2013-14 ❍	31	SAS	NBA	PG	23	719	15.8	.531	.101	.202	0.8	6.4	3.7	26.1	1.1	0.2	14.1	28.3		0.3	0.7	1.1	.071		0.0	-1.3	-1.2	0.1
2014-15	32	SAS	NBA	PG	7	210	6.5	.386	.099	.187	2.0	10.0	5.8	18.9	0.5	0.0	10.0	23.4		-0.4	0.1	-0.3	-0.067		-6.2	-0.3	-6.5	-0.2

Patty Mills playoffs

2012-13	24	SAS	NBA	PG	9	31	13.5	.600	.700	.000	3.8	7.2	5.5	10.6	0.0	0.0	9.1	16.8		0.1	0.0	0.1	.119		3.0	-3.3	-0.3	0.0
2013-14 ❍	25	SAS	NBA	PG	23	351	16.2	.573	.560	.092	1.0	10.4	5.8	14.6	2.5	0.2	8.7	21.3		0.5	0.5	1.1	.146		3.6	0.2	3.8	0.5
2014-15	26	SAS	NBA	PG	7	112	23.4	.744	.667	.310	3.7	14.8	9.1	11.9	0.9	0.0	9.5	21.1		0.5	0.1	0.6	.262		7.4	-0.7	6.8	0.2

Patty Mills knows he needs to space the floor with 3's and long 2's faggot. :lmao

He is a better player for the team there. :lmao

Too bad Tony shot ZERO percent from 3 last playoffs. :lmao

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RPM is adjusted for all players faggot. :lmao

that includes playing against inferior players. :lmao

And Patty doesn't just play vs bench players. :lmao

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And it's always going to skew the results of low usage/low minutes bench players. I mean, RPM has Marcelo Huertas over players like Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Zach LaVine. :lol I hope the league GMs take RPM as gospel and lure Marcelo with a sizable contract. I also think Simmons moved into top ten among SGs in RPM a couple of times this year :lol

The majority of Patty House's minutes come against bench players. And yes, I do know it "adjusts," but lighting up scrubs is still going to give a player a nice RPM. That's what you don't understand, per par.

Agreed OP, Parker had a good game last night, and that's the type of TP we'll need in the playoffs. Can he do it consistently is the question. It's unlikely he can, but honestly we'll only need him to do it consistently against the Dubs and in the finals. We'll coast thru our 1st round, and honestly OKC doesn't scare me since we'll have home court.

I also thought it was a smart move on Pop to put Kawhi on Rose and keep Parker's legs fresh on offense.

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And it's always going to skew the results of low usage/low minutes bench players. I mean, RPM has Marcelo Huertas over players like Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Zach LaVine. :lol I hope the league GMs take RPM as gospel and lure Marcelo with a sizable contract. I also think Simmons moved into top ten among SGs in RPM a couple of times this year :lol

The majority of Patty House's minutes come against bench players. And yes, I do know it "adjusts," but lighting up scrubs is still going to give a player a nice RPM. That's what you don't understand, per par.

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Insinuating Patty is a 1 hit wonder. :lmao

He has been doing it his whole career. :lmao

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Insinuating Patty is a 1 hit wonder. :lmao

He has been doing it his whole career. :lmao

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He's by no means a one hit wonder. He's great in his role as a sparkplug off the bench. Wanting to destroy the PG depth and that Parker/Mills dynamic out of petty hate is retarded. Patty being able to light up scrub PGs is a big reason why our bench is as dangerous as it is.

Time to calm the Parker hate, bro. It's an antiquated mentality around here.

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He's by no means a one hit wonder. He's great in his role as a sparkplug off the bench. Wanting to destroy the PG depth and that Parker/Mills dynamic out of petty hate is retarded. Patty being able to light up scrub PGs is a big reason why our bench is as dangerous as it is.

Time to calm the Parker hate, bro. It's an antiquated mentality around here.

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I call it how I see it. No agenda. Spurs fan through and through. What you are saying is not gonna work. I thought you would know by now.

Kawhi and LMA are gonna feed. Those 2 will be our one two punch.

3rd leading scorer will be by committee. Some nights it will be Duncan or Manu or Patty or Green or Tony.

That's like after Manu had a throwback game and I said he should be our 3rd leading scorer on demand. Not gonna work like that.

I just find your premise outdated brah. Maybe next time. :td

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I call it how I see it. No agenda. Spurs fan through and through. What you are saying is not gonna work. I thought you would know by now.

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And Patty/40 year old Andre Miller is going to work? Yeah, okay.

Like it or not, we have no other alternative and have to roll the dice on Tony. You must have not been following the Spurs for very long. EVERY run (aside from the team play anomaly of 2014) since '03 has came down to whether or not Tony plays well (yeah, Speedy bailing him out, but we don't beat the Lakers without him). Wanting Tony phased out/limited kills the team's PG depth.

Patty also can't pressure defenses like Tony though dribbling, probing, and penetrating. He's not the passer Tony is. He doesn't run the offense like Tony. Patty is the typical "spark plug" player in the mold of Eddie House, Bobby Jackson, and the like. I might have agreed with you if Manu was 30 (the Spurs can get away with limiting a poorly playing Tony when Manu is on), but he isn't.

No one is saying get rid of Tony dude. He just has to have a smaller role than usual. The team doesn't revolve around him anymore. That is done. No more. Pooof.

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in the lineup. Perfect balance among our 3 best scorers, and that's the kind of consistency we're going to need from those 3 moving into the post-season. The bench was absolute garbage, which is something that typically happens in the post-season (role players disappearing, vets getting gassed or banged up, young players shitting their pants, etc), and when games like this happen, LMA and Kawhi just won't be enough. If Parker had an "Enrique" game, we lose our first home game.

Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).

And if the bench comes alive (they've been dormant for like 2 weeks) again, we have a chance at winning this thing.

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Good take man. Have to have balance and TP playing at a high level if we're going to have a shot to ring...Great win overall last night, need to keep it consistent and Pop needs to control TP's minutes so he's fresh going in...

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Duncan and Manu just aren't consistent enough as scorers any longer, and Mills remains a wild card (drops 15-18 points one night, goes 3-9 the next).

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That's the thing...Parker has been just as much a wild card as Mills. But, with Parker, it seems more of an emotional/attitude thing than a skill thing. I think Parker went off because of how well Andre did the previous game...it was an "attitude" adjustment kinda thing. Mills is just Mills, he'll play hard every night, but just not as skilled as Parker. Parker...who the f knows why some nights he'll play hard and some nights he wont. Toe's aside...

Having said that, we need Parker to play well. He can be awesome, like last night. We need Manu and Timmy to play well too. Just one more time...;)

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Kawhi and LMA are gonna feed. Those 2 will be our one two punch.

3rd leading scorer will be by committee. Some nights it will be Duncan or Manu or Patty or Green or Tony.

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The PPG and usage stats disagree with you.

And of course on "some nights" those players will score more than Tony or even LMA and Kawhi, but that doesn't mean Pop designs it that way. If he did design the offense for the 3rd leading scorer to be by "committee," then their PPG and usages would be closer. Maybe in other years when Duncan and Manu were more consistent, but it seems you haven't been watching how awful both have looked on offense lately.

Sorry brah. The outdated premise is thinking "Beautiful Basketball" is going work like it once did. Manu and Tim are two years older, and the top teams in the league have studied that 2014 beatdown of Miami and the Spurs system like literature majors study Shakespeare.

Insinuating I want this team to play like 2014. :lol

Dude just stop. That's when you know you got shit. :lol

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Sorry brah. The outdated premise is thinking "Beautiful Basketball" is going work like it once did. Manu and Tim are two years older, and the top teams in the league have studied that 2014 beatdown of Miami and the Spurs system like literature majors study Shakespeare.

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Wow...that was pretty good. :)

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That's the thing...Parker has been just as much a wild card as Mills. But, with Parker, it seems more of an emotional/attitude thing than a skill thing. I think Parker went off because of how well Andre did the previous game...it was an "attitude" adjustment kinda thing. Mills is just Mills, he'll play hard every night, but just not as skilled as Parker. Parker...who the f knows why some nights he'll play hard and some nights he wont. Toe's aside...

Having said that, we need Parker to play well. He can be awesome, like last night. We need Manu and Timmy to play well too. Just one more time...;)

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:lol wait so Parker did well because he's worried the 40 year old 3rd string PG had a good previous night???

Come on now. Parker just took the team on his back because we stunk the previous game he played.

Just being the head of the snak that's all

He looked rested... hope Pop continues to rest him here or there... that game and a half off looked like it did pretty good to him... he didn't even look like he gained weight...

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No one is saying get rid of Tony dude. He just has to have a smaller role than usual. The team doesn't revolve around him anymore. That is done. No more. Pooof.

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It never revolved around him aside from that brief 09-11 period. if anything, I'm advocating a return to Tony's natural "3rd wheel" role he had in the title years pre-2014.

Knowing Parker's inconsistency, I would love if we had another wing/guard that could be that 3rd 15-18ppg guy consistently, a player that opponents gameplan for, but we don't (unless Manu or Tim have a resurgence, which is highly doubtful).

You keep saying we need this 3rd consistent scorer. We just need Tony to not be a fucking shit bag like 2014 and we lost in the last play to a ref mistake game 7 while green splitter were also shit bags and kawhi having subpar last 3 games, Manu not playing good.

You basically have to have 5 rotation players playing F game for the Spurs to lose. I don't expect that every year faggot. :lmao

If Tony was not going game 6 manu 2013 for like 6 games we win easy. :lmao

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I would love if we had another wing/guard that could be that 3rd 15-18ppg guy consistently, a player that opponents gameplan for, but we don't (unless Manu or Tim have a resurgence, which is highly doubtful).

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Manu hasn't been a 15-18ppg scorer (consistently, not one game here and there) for 5 years already. Duncan, 2 years. That ship has sailed.
Tony is taking way fewer shots then he used to, he's the most efficient he's ever been in terms of % but his scoring has dropped by 4ppg.

Patty isn't back to the level he had 2 years ago yet (his % dropped, in particular) but he's getting there. Diaw's numbers haven't fallen as much as one would think. It's just the rest of the bench which is highly inconsistent.

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Insinuating I want this team to play like 2014. :lol

Dude just stop. That's when you know you got shit. :lol

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Then who is the 3rd scorer here?

Name one player other LMA, Kawhi, or Tony to have back-to-back 20 point games this season? I don't care that Patty or Manu can drop 20 once every 15-20 games. To win a title, we're going to need a 3rd guy who is a threat to score that every night. Don't misconstrue that as me wanting Pop "planning for Tony" to have a certain number of shots, but opposing teams should worry about him to the point where they have to gameplan for him. Gameplanning for 3 players is a lot harder than gameplanning for 2.

We have the most consistent bench in the league...

That was fast Parker.


If the crew can't see it tough luck.
We need that Parker.

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Then who is the 3rd scorer here?

Name one player other LMA, Kawhi, or Tony to have back-to-back 20 point games this season? I don't care that Patty or Manu can drop 20 once every 15-20 games. To win a title, we're going to need a 3rd guy who is a threat to score that every night. Don't misconstrue that as me wanting Pop "planning for Tony" to have a certain number of shots, but opposing teams should worry about him to the point where they have to gameplan for him. Gameplanning for 3 players is a lot harder than gameplanning for 2.

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All our players are deadly. Not just 2.

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That was fast Parker.


If the crew can't see it tough luck.
We need that Parker.

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We also need 2005 Manu.

We need that Manu.

You see how it doesn't make sense?

I'm done with this thread. too many Low IQ posters especially OP. :lmao

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If Tony was not going game 6 manu 2013 for like 6 games we win easy. :lmao

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Move on from last year, brah. I even made a thread right after that game 7 indicting Tony's performance as the worst in NBA history.

And yeah, him not playing like shitbag is good enough to beat the Jazz, Rockets, or whoever we get in the 1st round. Probably good enough to beat the Thunder. The Warriors, however, are a different story. We need LMA, Kawhi, and Tony to score like they did tonight, along with the bench not playing like ass.

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We also need 2005 Manu.

We need that Manu.

You see how it doesn't make sense?

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Your are an idiot.
We could use a younger Tony as well. He is 33. But he is still a threat to penetrate and give us options outside of post ups and the LMA jump shot.

We must have the option of breaking down a defense.
If you can't see this you can't be helped.
Kwahi is not Lebron. He can't run a threatening penetrating set offense. You just don't get basketball, you never have shown any inclination towards understanding this game because you are a troll.

Just stop posting.

The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

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:lmao

Danny Green is shooting .380 from the field and can't even finish a 2 on 1 fast break.

Tim Duncan is averaging 4.3 points in his last 5 games.

Manu is averaging 5.3 points since his return, despite having a 22 point game.

Boris is still fat and seems disinterested.

West is indeed steady and efficient, but not someone who is going to go Robert Horry Game 5 at this stage in his career.

Mills is just "kind of" deadly, true to the Eddie House sparkplug style.

:lol All of the Spurs players are deadly.

Last night was the way Parker was playing the first couple of months in the season. Over the past month he was reverting back to the Old Parker. If he looks to pass before he shoots, the Spurs are unstoppable. But when he dribbles around looking to shot before the pass, the Spurs offense becomes stuck in the Mud.

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The concern again is that he let the moore/galloway of the league to drop 20 on him... so his scoring at least offset that last night... but the assists were nice.

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The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

2nd greatest spur of all time :flag:

http://youtu.be/3ArmI_rqiyM

33 year old Tony needs to facilitate first, then his threat level rises and the scoring comes. He sucks and the team suffers greatly when he's does it the other way around.

And he needs to facilitate with the new core. That TD TP pnr should not be his go to play call. Very rarely and in the right spots, sure, but he needs to let that one go.

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.

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Originally Posted by Mouth is Bleeding

I don't think we played at a particular high level with him so ball-dominant in this game.

The simple counting stats often lie + his defense was god awful.

The sad truth is that we will struggle against the best teams if very ball-dominant Parker goes assist and basket whoring rather than running the system, give more room to the best players individually and all that at the expense of giving great effort on the defensive end.

Ball-dominant Tony Parker is one of the team's most dangerous pit-falls and hopefully a somewhat successful game like this, at least on the surface, won't encourage it further.

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"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by EVAY

"Assist AND Basket whoring"? Seriously? You gonna fault him for dishing dimes and scoring when he is the pg of the team? Seriously?

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If last nite was Assist and basket whoring, then that's what we need if that's what Bleeding Mouths want to label it.

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

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Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence then can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

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Originally Posted by mookie2001

^well yeah if he's looking out for himself first; The team's offensive potential is greater than Tony's Parkers

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If last nite was looking out for himself first I'll take that as well.

I have my definition of the ball hog bad shot fall down and not get back on D Parker. I saw very little of that last nite.

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Originally Posted by Mouth is Bleeding

Indeed.

This game from Tony was a little bit too far into Rondo-territory where the focus on his assists and ball-dominance is at the expense of the team's overall level of play not least because Rondo/Tony with this self imposed burden on offence can not or will not do anything worthwhile on the defensive end and give up as much or much more than what they selfishly create on the offense.

It looks much better on paper than what it really is.

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F the stats.

He was fast. That's what I saw. If we can get that the rest will fall into place. He can't hog the ball in a whole series, he is too old now. I will take 30 min. of the fast we saw last nite.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

The concern is that he can't even make the opposing PG work. Fast Tony can. We will thrash the Clippers of last year with the fast version.

I dont really care about him dropping 20 pts. I care about him being enough of a threat to displace defenses. If the scoring and assists follow directly, good deal. Eventually the opposition will feel the legs having to really concentrate on D instead of just waiting for a rebound outlet.

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I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

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Originally Posted by dabom

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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Oh shit. :lol

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

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Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

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Originally Posted by dabom

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

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Originally Posted by Silver&Black

Your "Free dabom" thread had 7 posts in it....:lmao

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

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LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

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Originally Posted by weeks

Yo you got no room to talk about the clipper series, your client was missing

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El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'd like that too, but it's been a few years since we've seen that with any consistency against top teams, and his D is only getting worse. That's why the Spurs have largely gone another route. We'll take any 20 pt game from the old guys though.

Frankly, if you're another team, daring Tony to beat you instead of Kawhi or LMA, it's probably a great deal... see Clippers last season...

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Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

Usage:

25.6% Aldridge
25.3% Leonard
24.4% Ginobili
24.3% Marjanovic
21.4% Parker
19.5% Mills
18.7% Simmons
18.0% West
17.6% Duncan
16.8% Diaw
15.0% Anderson
14.6% Bonner
14.5% Green
11.3% Miller
05.0% Martin

Minutes
1971 Leonard
1817 Aldridge
1685 Green
1603 Parker
1330 Mills
1210 Duncan
1183 Diaw
1112 West
904 Anderson
901 Ginobili
672 Simmons
340 Marjanovic
130 Bonner
48 Miller
8 Martin

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Originally Posted by weeks

How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

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No it does not...using guards who play 20 minutes?

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

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Patty stepped up, he single handedly extended that series with clutch shooting... Beli was pretty good too...
Somebody couldn't take advantage of an injured CP3 though...

Don't get me wrong, I want TP to do well in a different role... I think he's done as a consistent scorer and the team just has better options. He should still be a floor leader though...

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Thats the slow version.

His D will not be as bad if he can make the opponent work. We have seen him use this on Chris Paul before. Last year he was slow and hurt us horribly on both ends.

What I'm reading from many is that he gets in a mental funk, becomes fat and slow, because he can't play anymore. What I think is happening are injuries, wear and tear. No way he is as good as before. But these 30 minutes of effective speed, we need this against the better PO teams.

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IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

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Originally Posted by dabom

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

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Originally Posted by weeks

I want to see him put together a string of good games .And no more fkng boo boos to get out of an embarrassing matchup

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So he is faking?

Because boo boos for a 33 yo PG who relies on speed and acceleration is very difficult. This is not a Nash nor a Jason Kidd type point.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

IMO that ship has sailed. Wish he would be a better playmaker, tbh... Or that his 3 ball was more consistent...

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Then what was that late streak last season and last nite. I saw fast, am I hallucinating?

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Originally Posted by RD2191

Lmao. Shut it down. Let's go home!!

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Or just stop posting.

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

LMA wasn't around last year and Kawhi only showed in three games. Parker is too old to lead team but no one else stepped up.

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Are you saying Parker stepped up?

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Or just stop posting.

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Yes, you really should.

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Originally Posted by weeks

How the fuck did Lubio get fifth...list looks solid otherwise...?

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Defense matters. Considering playing time Rubio drops to 7th, Mills to 17th, Parker to 23rd.

I'm in the both Parker and Mills camp. The only team whose second best PG has played better than Parker is Boston, with Thomas and Smart. Teague, worse than Parker, makes the Hawks the 3rd team with two PGs in the top 30.

For all the shit Parker gets, he's been good for a long time. So long, he's been a member of two different Big 3s, first with Duncan/Manu, now with Leonard/Aldridge.

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Originally Posted by RD2191

Yes, you really should.

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Oh touché Robert you witty guy.

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Originally Posted by dabom

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

RK	NAME	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WINS
1	Stephen Curry	GS	60	34.0	8.65	1.47	10.12	17.02
2	Russell Westbrook	OKC	64	34.7	7.73	1.38	9.11	16.33
3	Chris Paul	LAC	58	33.3	6.18	1.42	7.60	12.21
4	Kyle Lowry	TOR	62	37.1	5.52	1.84	7.36	13.62
5	Ricky Rubio	MIN	59	30.5	2.21	2.24	4.45	7.92
6	John Wall	WSH	63	35.9	2.94	0.70	3.64	9.36
7	Kemba Walker	CHA	62	36.1	2.37	0.65	3.02	8.05
8	Eric Bledsoe	PHX	31	34.2	1.87	1.03	2.90	4.14
9	Reggie Jackson	DET	63	30.9	4.60	-1.75	2.85	6.83
10	Mike Conley	MEM	56	31.4	3.51	-1.10	2.41	5.57
11	Damian Lillard	POR	58	36.1	4.98	-2.71	2.27	6.69
12	Dennis Schroder	ATL	63	20.8	1.90	-0.02	1.88	3.84
13	Patty Mills	SA	65	20.5	2.23	-0.38	1.85	3.84
14	Isaiah Thomas	BOS	65	32.4	3.48	-1.90	1.58	6.13
15	Goran Dragic	MIA	55	32.8	0.74	0.79	1.53	4.80
16	Jrue Holiday	NO	57	27.3	2.62	-1.13	1.49	4.13
17	Marcus Smart	BOS	44	27.1	-0.20	1.64	1.44	3.32
18	Matthew Dellavedova	CLE	58	25.8	1.46	-0.23	1.23	3.67
19	Patrick Beverley	HOU	53	27.6	-0.06	0.88	0.82	3.30
20	Rajon Rondo	SAC	60	35.4	0.53	0.20	0.73	4.99
21	Tony Parker	SA	59	27.2	1.08	-0.64	0.44	3.28

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry? :lol

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Originally Posted by EVAY

There was a stat that I saw last night on Ptr after this site went down. Leonard was on track for another 25 point night, his 6th of the last 8 games, or 7th of the last 9 after last night, I guess.

Most 25 point games by a Spur since 2011:

Parker - 50

Leonard - 23 (including last night's)

Duncan - 21

The notable thing about all of this is that Tony has had a lot of big scoring nights. Last night he had 9 assists in the first half and did most of his scoring in the second half, ending with 12 assists.

Tony was rested last night. It showed.

He has been playing like he was in molasses.

Virtually everyone on here has said how much he needs to rest. It looks to me like he could use more rest more frequently, like is done for Tim and Manu. That may be why Miller is here.

This year he is playing third offensive threat behind Kawhi and LaMarcus. Less pressure on him to do all the scoring, but after he gets those guys going and the defense hones in on them, then the floor is opened up for guys like Parker and others.

He had a great game last night. Anyone who wants to diminish his contribution last night by focusing on what he has or hasn't done some other time, or what the offense against him did last night, is betraying a player-hatred agenda that is beneath a team fan. Overt or passive-aggressive, it's still hate.

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wow a sensible objective well thought out post, EVAY you do realize that you are posting on the ST forum?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

El Cliente is old AND still posted a way better PER than TP and better than his matchup (Crawford)...

But yeah, we shouldn't be counting on him to bail the team out at this point, tbh

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I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

How many on that list you'd be willing to take above Parker? Kemba? Rubio? Lowry? :lol

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Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

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Originally Posted by weeks

I'm with you, Manu is the heart of this team and I like him way more than tp on intangibles alone...
You think he'll go out with Duncan? No chance he stays without him, but if Timmy goes one more, you think batman will stay?

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I think he's going season to season... As long as the Spurs keep calling and he's not hurt, I suspect he'll stick around.

He's been a top 5 Spurs this season, which is pretty amazing considering we're talking by far the 2nd best team in the league...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Would not take over Tony now: Rubio, Kemba, Reggie, Rondo, and possibly Beverly.

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I would not take Manu over Trey Burke, Etwan Moore and possibly Solomon Hill

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like shit.

What I wish was absent from Manu is himself late in the 4th

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Originally Posted by dabom

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards

Porker below Patty. :lmao

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That's what happens when you get roasted by the likes of E'Twaun Moore.:wakeup

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Originally Posted by Proxy

The thing about TP is like... if he isn't a big factor in the game, he seems to emotionally remove himself. Similar to a child. Last night, the main difference I saw, was that he actually felt like trying hard. Something that's never absent from TD or Manu, even when they're playing like shit.

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What a bunch of crap. I have yet to see all these imagined psychological faults that the remaining dregs (Apa/Harlem have moved on) of the dumbshit crew conjure for Tony in their own minds. Get over it guys. He was an athletic speedster, in a league with some of the fastest people on the planet. Until 2014 or so, Parker literally ran faster and harder, for longer, than any rotation player in the NBA (SportsVU confirmed).

I personally work with a trainer and physical therapist (a legit on that helps serve the Rockets) and am in my mid-30's. Little injuries pop up often and take time to go away at this age. I can't even imagine what a professional athlete goes through regimen-wise to stay in game shape.

Dabom with the meltdown. These guys would rather the Spurs lose in the finals if it meant Tony playing at a high level