Time for MVPatty to close games?

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Originally Posted by sasaint

We lived with Parker's defensive deficiencies when he was lightning quick on offense. Now he not only has the same defensive deficiencies, but his effort is really lacking. I only see two options: 1. We package him with an attractive asset and dump his contract - possibly to the 76ers if they do not come up with a decent PG this off-season or to another team looking to trade a guy on an expiring contract they do not believe they can re-sign, or 2. We amnesty the guy. You don't pay backups $14MM.

Trouble is I do not see any veteran free agent this coming off-season that is desirable and/or affordable. Who do you think we could get?

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I have absolutely no idea.
All I know is if Mills is a better point than Tony then there is absolutely another player out there. Most likely goboom as I'm sure he could take time off from his engineering projects.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

No actually it does. Mills is not only worse on D he gets really stupid fouls very quickly.

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Mills being worse than Parker on defense? Did I read that right? You have ZERO stats to back that up. In fact, most if not EVERY advanced defensive stat available would point to Mills being the superior defender and Parker being one of the worst, if not the worst, defender on the team. Mills triples him in defensive win shares, has a better defensive rating, etc.

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

This is exactly why I'm advocating playing Mills more with the starters :lol When Kawhi and LMA are out there, the last thing I want is Parker dribbling around for 15 seconds. It's much more beneficial to have a lights out shooter who can demand attention from defenses and create space for Kawhi/Aldridge. If teams start to double those guys (which they'll almost certainly have to), then they can kick it out to Mills.

Kawhi has gotten to the point where he can create offense and run PnRs consistently. He's one of the most efficient PnR ball-handlers in the league. I don't think we need Parker to run offense at this point. Kawhi can run PnRs or attack defenders straight up off the dribble, Kawhi and LMA can create out of the post, Duncan-Aldridge high-low action...the list goes on.

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You think this can work with D. Green in the PLAYOFFS?

Im not a brave enough message board coach. I'm handing this job to you.

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Originally Posted by Boomersgold

Mills being worse than Parker on defense? Did I read that right? You have ZERO stats to back that up. In fact, most if not EVERY advanced defensive stat available would point to Mills being the superior defender and Parker being one of the worst, if not the worst, defender on the team. Mills triples him in defensive win shares, has a better defensive rating, etc.

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Mills gets shoved around round like a rag doll, falls for the same tactics over and over, and generally does not move well laterally. I do watch the games. So stat up Mills against the opposing 2nd team PG all you want.

Just tonight Chris Paul used exactly the same tactic on successive possessions and drew 2 fouls on Mills. He has got to know you don't lay your arm over the opposition and allow them to shove their elbows up. Christ, he must have Manu do this constantly to him in practice.

So yes, it's watching.

What about making Miller the starting PG, and playing Mills more minutes off the bench? So like 21-24 minutes for Miller and 24-27 minutes for Mills per night?

Closing statement as I don't wish to get pegged as a Mills hater:

I love the guy on the team. He seems to be one of the most likeable, totally team oriented type of player. I'm glad we have him. Tony actually gave him big props tonight when they came off the floor together. They were both laughing so something good seemed to be going on.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Mills gets shoved around round like a rag doll, falls for the same tactics over and over, and generally does not move well laterally. I do watch the games. So stat up Mills against the opposing 2nd team PG all you want.

Just tonight Chris Paul used exactly the same tactic on successive possessions and drew 2 fouls on Mills. He has got to know you don't lay your arm over the opposition and allow them to shove their elbows up. Christ, he must have Manu do this constantly to him in practice.

So yes, it's watching.

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Patty can just pull a Tony and get out of the way, tbh... I don't really see how that's any better defense. Heck, sometimes I'll take the foul to let the other player know he's being hounded. Plus not every PG has Paul's smarts to flop for fouls.

Really, November Tony did put some work on defense, but post-February Tony has been a traffic cone. That's why in the OP I'm merely advocating rest for Tony, at least until the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It seems like Pop isn't as afraid to bench Parker, this season, tbh..

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HH im hoping you are right man ... Tp has not been aging well to say it nicely

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Pop has already proven, that unlike last year in the LAC series where TP just didn't have it and Pop was going down with TP (a series they almost won anyways) he will pull TP. There have been long periods of TP on the bench, even in the 4th quarter. Pop will play who's playing the best.

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small sample size but its a step in the right direction tbh

Its obvious pop will pull tony if he is not performing.. this year pop just wants to win.. he will go with the best 5 players every night

people thinking mills can't handle starting :lol

It is really unfortunate this complete fall off of Tony from a top tier PG to bottom unplayable crap in span of 3 years...this like the 3rd consecutive season he ends on an awful note..On top of his natural decline, he seems to check out mentally..Last night he was basically bringing the ball up court with little to no probing of Clippers defense.. watch this video of Pj Carlisimo breaking down game...the first sequence Parker on full steam fast break attack having only a backpedaling Reddick at rim..what does he do? he stops dead in his own tracks to initiate a post-up for a far trailing LMA..PJ resisting the urge to say he didn't take it coast coast because he is washedup..

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14985584

Seasons not over yet ^

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Seasons not over yet ^

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It is not looking good, at all..basically a perpetration of the same trend: promising play in Nov-Jan and then tailspining into severe liability for the team at a critical position...

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Originally Posted by spursistan

It is not looking good, at all..basically a perpetration of the same trend: promising play in Nov-Jan and then tailspining into severe liability for the team at a critical position...

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Tbh it's gonna be on Pop. While I ripped on Parker last season it was Pop who played him even though he was trash on both sides of the ball. Parker was just doing what he thought he had to do even though he was sucking balls. Hopefully Pop benches him when he needs it.

I can't think of any reason why Patty shouldn't close blowout games.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It seems like Pop isn't as afraid to bench Parker, this season, tbh..

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That also happened in 2013-14 when Patty was rolling.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It seems like Pop isn't as afraid to bench Parker, this season, tbh..

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Started in the '15 playoffs vs. the clippers. Pop doesn't seem as married to the idea of sitting Parker or Manu in crunch time

I woulnd't be opposed to Pop going Mills,Manu/Green, Leonard, West and LMA.

Spacing at every position good passing, and scoring threats at every position. The West Aldridge pairing has been excellent this year. Swapping out Parker for Mills ( floor spacing) should only aid that.

Start calling him the Terminator.

I do have concerns of Patty running the offense, however usually Pop runs with Manu to close out at SG, and Diaw to close out at PF (now that LMA is preferred closing out center instead of TD). With that, there is plenty of playmakers, and having a shooter like Mills would be more beneficiary than Parker's range. In saying that, if we are running with Green, it kind hard having no backcourt or wing players as playmakers running the offense in crunch times. Leonard next evolution is playmaking. Until then, you kinda are forced to use Parker if Green is out there.

He may close games but he sucks in the first half

LOL. This thread.

Well not tonight because he was unable to hold the lead and MVParker had to take us home.

Patty was fire tonight. His bench players weren't. Go watch the game tape. :lmao