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Thats my hope, they always say defense wins championships. I hope it comes down to that because i have no doubt that we are better at defense than they are. I just want us to shove that mouthpiece back in currys faceQuote:
Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub
Lets just say, April 16 can't get here soon enough.
all skinny and scrawny? nah, he'll take his claw hands and corn rows any day over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The fact the Spurs have an MVP candidate post the big 3 era is a win itself. Props to Leonard for elevating his game to that level and the media/league taking notice. Unfortunately for him it's happened during an historic season by Curry/GS. Next season might be a different story.
A kind of funny of coincidence re: Wardell vs. Kawhi is that it's very similar to the dynamic Shaq and Duncan had in their efforts to be the league's best player/MVP. You had one guy who was an all-time dominant scorer with historic numbers but was just average, even below average, on defense, and then one guy who was a good-to-great scorer, but historically great on defense and the consummate teammate. The media was in love with one, while ignoring the other. Hell, even when Duncan won back-to-back to MVPs (the truth is Duncan only won those awards because, per media criterion in those days, Shaq was punished for playing with another top 10 player in the league), I remember the various talking heads thinking Shaq was "ripped off," so he was definitely the people's MVP in those days. But the metrics do confirm Duncan was actually the better player, or at the very least, just as good. So Duncan's MVPs were well deserved, even though at the time, they gave it to Duncan for being the "most important player to his team."
Yes, Wardell is rightfully deserving of it, but as a total basketball player, Wardell isn't above and beyond Kawhi.
Also, Duncan was 26 and 27 years old when he won MVP. The usual age range of MVPs is 26-32 (i.e. the prime years). Curry is in his prime, but Kawhi isn't even there yet. When he is...good luck to everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by TDomination
Curry was the greatest shooter in NBA history BEFORE this season. He is making his other seasons look pedestrian with the numbers he's putting up this year. And those other seasons are better than any shooting season any player has had... ever. He is not just the greatest shooter ever, he is in an entirely new stratosphere. This isn't some "he's a little better than Ray Allen or Reggie Miller". This is absolute domination of the other greatest shooters of all-time. This is Wayne Gretzky shit. No one else even bears merit to enter into the conversation.Quote:
Before Curry started shooting so many 3's his first few years, i'm sure most would have said that if he were to shoot 400 more 3's his % would go down. But he's proven the last few years thats not the case. In fact this year i believe it is his highest %. So im sure he proved people wrong.
It's not just that Curry is shooting a high percentage. It's how he does it. Curry has destroyed every other shooter in NBA history... and he's 27. He's a PG. And his shot is about as close to perfection as we've ever seen. It's lightning fast, can get it off in .2 of a second or less, and his range extends RELIABLY to 30 feet. Think about having to pick someone else up at half-court in a basketball game because they are shooting over 40% from the circle. It isn't just that he's spotting up at the 3 line. He's actively warping defenses with his range and release.Quote:
So i don't know if Kawhi would be able to keep his % up if he shot 500 more 3's. Probably not, but you wouldn't have thought so with Curry too a few years back. So we wouldn't know until it actually happened which we all know it won't. So at this point its pure speculation. But what i do know is that our best defender, our defensive player of the year actually has a better % behind the arc than the guy who is having a historic year from there. Which is something in itself.
When Curry sat, the Dubs looked like a decent team. Maybe even good. With him they are historically great, and if the Spurs weren't also posting their best season in history so far, the Dubs would be favorites against the entire field to not just win but dominate the NBA playoffs.Quote:
But Kawhi plays great on both sides of the balls. You know Kawhi is an amazing defender. We saw the difference in scoring when he came back to the line up after the all star break. he makes a HUGE difference on our defense.
Yeah GS is 61-6, but we're only talking 4 game difference. hopefully 3 after Saturday. And take into account that we needed games to get our new guys acclimated to our system. We should have never lost that opening game and that wizards game in the beginning of the year. But it happened. But even with that, the Spurs are having a historic year of their own and a lot of has to do with Kawhi.
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I know Curry will probably win it this year and I understand why, like you posted earlier, media loves offense more than defense.
But i believe like some others that it is much closer than the media would have you realize.
VORP:
Kawhi 5.3
Curry 8.0
BPM:
Kawhi 8.2
Curry 12.8
WS:
Kawhi 12.2
Curry 14.9
TS%:
Kawhi 62%
Curry 68%
Make no mistake. Kawhi's numbers are ridiculous. Any other season and he'd be a lock for MVP consideration, if not the outright favorite. From an efficiency standpoint they are utterly fantastic.
But Curry is doing something that's never been done before. And he's a 6'3" 190 pound guard. He simply shouldn't be able to do this at any size, let alone being the smallest player on the court a majority of the time.
That skinny scrawny has the longest comfort range for jumpers I have ever seen in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDomination
You seen a more versatile shooter at range?
Please name them, him.
As long as Kawhinis MVP of the finals that's all I care about.
You can definitely tell the old school spurs fans from the new school fans in this thread. I think a lot of the young spur fans missed out on Robinson and Duncan's MVP seasons or were too young to enjoy them. It would be great if Kawhi ever won the MVP award but if it never happens I could care less about it. I have witness a spur win that award 3 times in my life time and it was only worthwhile once and that was when Duncan won it in '03 along with the spurs winning the title that year. The other two times the MVP award was hollow since the spurs lost to hated rivals in the playoffs ala Rockets in '94 and Lakers in '02. My point is winning championship is a hundred times better than winning that award from a fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by pgardn
But i'd still rather take kawhi like he is then to have Curry. Thats just me though.
Kawhi plays DPOY with his 21 points.
curry will get mvp but kawhi will get dpoy. not only is he deserving of dpoy, but even if there was debate, i think they'd give it to leonard almost as a consolation prize to mvp
Find that hard to believe in a 97 Tahoe but whatever.
based on our previous discussions you have no issues believing things that are hard to believe :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
I'm a skeptic, not sure what you're talking about. :wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
:lol jehova's witnessQuote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
Peanut butter, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
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Originally Posted by RD2191
Tim was head & shoulder better than BOTH Kirby/Snack in the 2002 series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...vs-lakers.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
The Lakers won the 2002 series only b/c 19 yr old Porker was playing wing man & Mark Bryant was starting at center.:lol
Snack also bitching about Nash stealing his MVP in 2006 is bogus when Wade led the Heat in win-shares, single handily beat the Mavs in the Final & Nash went to the WCF without Amare. Even in 2005, Wade was tied w/ Snack in win-shares.
Hakeem was dominating the league since his rookie season & even in college.:lol (He was drafted over Jordan for a reason)Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
You have guys like Garnett who came into the league straight from high-school as a raw talent & turned into MVPs.
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Originally Posted by daslicer
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Kawhi = 2 way player while Curry is a one way player that just so happens to play on the side of the ball that garners the most attention. The media is in love with offense, and that is fine, but just stating a fact. Curry is having an amazing season on the offensive side of the ball, and he will win mvp...I think his year is so amazing that at this point he most certainly deserves it.
I think if you had only the head coaches vote, it would be closer than most would think.
The amazing thing about what Kawhi does on the defensive end is that he is doing it in a league that has made it harder and harder to play defense. It is like a being a shut-down corner in today's NFL game in which that league is going after more offense to pull in new fans. Offense sells out seats when defense is "boring". Another reason mvp is associated with offense only is because the argument can and will be made that good defense is what defensive player of the year is for, so it is not factored into the mvp race.
Curry is an amazing player, but I wonder how his game would be affected if he played in the 80's - 90's...hand checking and the physical game would have an affect for sure, how much, not possible to know.
Kawhi= 2008 KGQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom