Kawhi leads the league in RPM.

Would Curry be the frontrunner for MVP if the Warriors were 54-13 right now? That record better reflects their performance so far.

I think it would be an interesting debate. As things stand, Curry will win MVP evem if the Spurs somehow get the #1 seed.

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Originally Posted by callo1

Kawhi = 2 way player while Curry is a one way player that just so happens to play on the side of the ball that garners the most attention. The media is in love with offense, and that is fine, but just stating a fact. Curry is having an amazing season on the offensive side of the ball, and he will win mvp...I think his year is so amazing that at this point he most certainly deserves it.

I think if you had only the head coaches vote, it would be closer than most would think.

The amazing thing about what Kawhi does on the defensive end is that he is doing it in a league that has made it harder and harder to play defense. It is like a being a shut-down corner in today's NFL game in which that league is going after more offense to pull in new fans. Offense sells out seats when defense is "boring". Another reason mvp is associated with offense only is because the argument can and will be made that good defense is what defensive player of the year is for, so it is not factored into the mvp race.

Curry is an amazing player, but I wonder how his game would be affected if he played in the 80's - 90's...hand checking and the physical game would have an affect for sure, how much, not possible to know.

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80s-90s Curry would be body slammed the moment he crossed half court

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Originally Posted by callo1

Kawhi = 2 way player while Curry is a one way player that just so happens to play on the side of the ball that garners the most attention. The media is in love with offense, and that is fine, but just stating a fact. Curry is having an amazing season on the offensive side of the ball, and he will win mvp...I think his year is so amazing that at this point he most certainly deserves it.

I think if you had only the head coaches vote, it would be closer than most would think.

The amazing thing about what Kawhi does on the defensive end is that he is doing it in a league that has made it harder and harder to play defense. It is like a being a shut-down corner in today's NFL game in which that league is going after more offense to pull in new fans. Offense sells out seats when defense is "boring". Another reason mvp is associated with offense only is because the argument can and will be made that good defense is what defensive player of the year is for, so it is not factored into the mvp race.

Curry is an amazing player, but I wonder how his game would be affected if he played in the 80's - 90's...hand checking and the physical game would have an affect for sure, how much, not possible to know.

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Kawhi is great but hes a product of Pops system

If you put him on any other team he would probably be somebody like Tobias Harris

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Originally Posted by Benoit

:rollin

Kawhi is great but hes a product of Pops system

If you put him on any other team he would probably be somebody like Tobias Harris

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C'mon now. You can do better then that.

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Originally Posted by bic50

C'mon now. You can do better then that.

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KD said the same thing

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Originally Posted by Benoit

KD said the same thing

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What's he saying now?

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Originally Posted by keeferob25

He's LITERALLY a threat the second he crosses the half court line. Please tell me who in the history of the game has been able to have that said about them.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Would Curry be the frontrunner for MVP if the Warriors were 54-13 right now? That record better reflects their performance so far.

I think it would be an interesting debate. As things stand, Curry will win MVP evem if the Spurs somehow get the #1 seed.

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I'm still not sure how does that work. Why should they have that record?

Even so, it could be argued they're better than they should be due to Curry's ability to mess up the game with his shooting.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Tim was head & shoulder better than BOTH Kirby/Snack in the 2002 series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...vs-lakers.html

The Lakers won the 2002 series only b/c 19 yr old Porker was playing wing man & Mark Bryant was starting at center.:lol

Snack also bitching about Nash stealing his MVP in 2006 is bogus when Wade led the Heat in win-shares, single handily beat the Mavs in the Final & Nash went to the WCF without Amare. Even in 2005, Wade was tied w/ Snack in win-shares.

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Yes, Duncan was the superior player and typically outplayed Shaq head-to-head, and was arguably a more impactful player on the court. But the media's perception of Shaq in those days was "Most Dominant Ever," "No one can stop him," "By far the best player in the league," etc. If you remember, he was getting Curry-like hype at the time. The only reason he didn't win like 3 or 4 straight MVPs because writers were still issuing the award based on the "most important player to his team" criterion. Aside from an aging Robinson, Duncan played with garbage. I still don't know how he dragged the corpses of Terry Porter, Danny Ferry, Avery Johnson, the ghost of Sean Elliott, and Antonio Daniels to the '01 WCF.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Yes, Duncan was the superior player and typically outplayed Shaq head-to-head, and was arguably a more impactful player on the court. But the media's perception of Shaq in those days was "Most Dominant Ever," "No one can stop him," "By far the best player in the league," etc. If you remember, he was getting Curry-like hype at the time. The only reason he didn't win like 3 or 4 straight MVPs because writers were still issuing the award based on the "most important player to his team" criterion. Aside from an aging Robinson, Duncan played with garbage. I still don't know how he dragged the corpses of Terry Porter, Danny Ferry, Avery Johnson, the ghost of Sean Elliott, and Antonio Daniels to the '01 WCF.

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Credit to Snack, he picked up his play in the postseason, especially the Finals, unlike Kirby.:lol

First team All NBA is a solid goal. Curry won the MVP by Jan 1

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Originally Posted by daslicer

My point is winning championship is a hundred times better than winning that award from a fans perspective.

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Poor 2007-Mavs-fans. Dirk officially receiving the MVP trophy after his team was eliminated in the first round...

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Originally Posted by BackHome

As long as Kawhinis MVP of the finals that's all I care about.

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Meh, I'm sure it has more to do with Kawhi's underwhelming (by MVP standards) box score numbers, which we all know many people still use to judge players :lol Since the 3-point era, only Nash has won MVP while averaging fewer points than what Kawhi is averaging this year.

I mean sure, Kawhi's demeanor + him playing in SA might play some role in how the media views him...but to act like that's the main reason why he isn't getting as much coverage as Steph is pretty dumb IMO.

Steph is leading the league in scoring and TS%. That's only been done once in the history of the league. We all know the media cares more about offense than defense, so while Kawhi might be having a DPOTY-caliber year, that unfortunately isn't going to matter as much as having arguably the GOAT offensive season like Steph is doing. Factor in the Warriors being on pace to break the single season record for wins, and that seals the deal.

I think those things matter far more than Kawhi being a "tattooed nigga" :rolleyes

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10/10. Please post more often.

Wardell is a runaway MVP.