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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
I guess Kyle Anderson has to be on the floor 5-10 min per game until we get a better backup.
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dabom
do you even watch basketball? There is a reason pop doesn't do no PG lineups. :lmao
I've been watching and playing basketball since before you and the emoticon were born.
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Danny and Kawhi will be taking turns on steph and Klay. Pop is figuring out who plays Barnes when he post up. I'm thinking pop plays Kyle on Barnes or Kevin Martin. I'm trying to figure
steph-green To start game.
klay-Kawhi To start game
barnes-Parker but will get limit mins fast/ early pull from pop
drey-LMA To start game
bogut-Duncan To start game. Then how the subs go and the game is playing and who's hot etc. This is the lineup pattern after the starting 5 and the start of 2nd half.
steph -green/Kawhi depends how hot steph is and foul trouble green is in
klay- a little Manu,martin
drey- Kawhi and some diaw
barnes-Kyle
iggy is out in this game but come playoffs-LMA Guards him and Drey when they go with this lineup
iggy is the one we can play off because between him and Drey are the by far the worse shooters on that lineup. Plus iggy dealing with a high ankle sprain so he might be hesitant come playoff time. Iggy is a streaking shooter but I'll live with him or Drey shooting outside then steph,Klay and Barnes.
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Funny thread. True laughing out load level...
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Anderson would be fine switching onto Curry. He really gave Paul fits. The best thing about his match-up with Curry would be that Steph doesn't really draw a ton of fouls on the perimeter. So Anderson can probably reach just without much fear of Curry making him pay. Obviously Curry is used to evading hands, but he hasn't dealt with many if any perimeter defenders with Anderson's length. All Kyle has to do is keep his feet on the ground, and he'll be surprisingly effective to some of you guys. This is even more important given that he's very adept at knocking away pocket-passes, and that's the likely result of hedging Steph hard.
If Kyle's length is bothering him (which I doubt it will b/c Curry will just blow past him considering Kyle's lack of lateral quickness), the Worriers will just have him play off the ball which is Kyle's achilles heel considering he got burnt by McBuckets when the Spurs lost to the Bulls earlier in the season.
On the other hand, I think he will be fine playing the 4 while guarding Draymond since he can rebound & protect the rim.
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
I actually agree that slomo is key to beating the Warriors but for a completely different reason. I think we could guard Shaun Livingston which is key to slowing down the Warriors and taking away one of their many competitive advantages.
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
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Originally Posted by
Kawhitstorm
If Kyle's length is bothering him (which I doubt it will b/c Curry will just blow past him considering Kyle's lack of lateral quickness), the Worriers will just have him play off the ball which is Kyle's achilles heel considering he got burnt by McBuckets when the Spurs lost to the Bulls earlier in the season.
On the other hand, I think he will be fine playing the 4 while guarding Draymond since he can rebound & protect the rim.
We're talking about a switch. Curry isn't going to run the PnR, get Anderson and then pass out to run a curl or something. And blowing passed anyone at that stage of a play is easier said that done. If Anderson hedges into a switch, Curry's going to have to reverse back to the middle. He'd be far too wide to have a driving lane long the side.
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We all know we need to take advantage when the subs come in. If our bench gets out played by their bench then we can be looking at next season or fuckin Kawhi/green got steph and Klay on lock down and LMA is abusing Drey. By looking at dubs sub in pattern. Steph comes out with 1 minute left or plays whole 1st quarter. So when he's off court for 3 to 4 mins of game time, that's when we gotta take advantage and put Parker in. He would be going up against Livingston but let's face it, he should still be able to blow by him and not settle for jumpers. Either lay ups or floaters but Parker hasn't been doing floaters for awhile now. Yeah Livingston has the size but Parker can play off him and when he post up that's when the double has to come quickly like west or Diaw. Who ever is guarding iggy at that time needs to leave him and double Livingston if posting Parker up. Spurs can't leave steph or Klay wide open because they can get hot and if they hit difficult shots so be it, just don't leave wide open shots. Barnes u just put a hand in his face. Iggy and Drey are the guys u can leave and float to help out on others. The thing about iggy and Drey is they like to cut to the basket, so u just give them space while they make that back cut. Those 2 guys suck at shooting and if they hit their shots we lose, Period. I'll live with Drey and iggy hitting those shots then the others. With all that said LMA needs to punish Drey and get him in foul trouble or abuse him down low. If KAWHI and LMA score 20 to 25 apiece like they're doing this month. Spurs can put up a blood bath. No one says this but SPURS seen it all and been thru nothing worse then game 6 2013 finals. That was the most crushing losses in sports history.( Seahawks loss was crushing too but u get my point) Yeah LMA and West haven't been thru the ringer yet but they been around a long time. This warriors team hasn't been thru shit or seen it all. If Spurs could steal one in there building during playoffs or someone gets hot on the Spurs like Danny green did in those 2013 finals. That's when everyone will say how is warriors going to respond and that's when doubt creeps in, especially if they tied the Bulls record or beat the record. LMA and KAWHI just got to take it personal towards dubs. All I got to say is I can't wait.
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
By the way this is not about one guy, dealing with GSW is a team effort. I just pointed out that Kyle allows you to use defensive schemes and switches that you can't with others, if the thought of Kyle on Curry scares you, wait until you see Curry guarded by Diaw, that should be the terrifying thought.
Don't really imagine that anyone, whether or not they think Kyle is/would be able to effectively guard Curry, is suggesting that Diaw is an answer. Just because I don't see Anderson as able to guard Curry does not imply that I think someone else CAN do it, nor is my hesitation to endorse Anderson guarding Curry a knock against Anderson. I am on record as saying that I think that we need to keep the rest of GSW from scoring, and that Curry is going to get his regardless. Maybe Anderson on Thompson?
GSW will be on the second game of a back to back. I recommend making Curry run as much as possible chasing our guards all over the court for three quarters, and hope that his shot is off a bit by the fourth, when he is usually so deadly in a comeback for his team. I believe that we can make Curry work harder for his points than most other teams, and I think we have a chance to stop the rest of the Warriors. I just don't think that we should have any expectations about Kyle's length being much of a force against the speed and quick release of Curry, if he is on his game.
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Only thing that can stop Curry is a bad shooting night. Spurs have to make their shots. No slow starts. Focus.
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UZER
Let curry go off. Just don't let him scrabble the entire defense while finding open guys because that's when they become the juggernaut. D him up, show help but stay home, and let him try to score 70. He can't carry that load for an entire series.
Pretty much, imo.
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SAGirl
No. I have been looking at what Pop is doing against small ball, and I have noticed two things, Slowmo is a big part if our team defense against small ball, Pop has lost total faith that Dias can handle those kind of matches and we h ave the record we hAve with slowmo playing a lot of small ball teams. Then I noticed against this kind of team we switch a lot. Kyle switches onto PG all the time when he plays. Again, Just said this is not Bout one guy, but w h at defensive schemes he allows you to use. Pop has also stayed big at times and let LMA guard and be guarded by a SF, in those cases they stay more traditional and don't switch everything. Both strategies have had mixed results, we have won with both and RS being a time to experiment it was right for Pop to try different things.
Last time we met Warriors we didn't have Timmy. We also hadn't used Kyle in January for so much small ball bc he really got chances after Timmy was injured. It's possible we see different schemes and Pop gives Currydifferent options.
My view though is that nobody is going to be navigating their screens the way they are being reffed. You will have to switch a lot whether you want to or not.
I'm sorry. Diaw is hopeless on Curry. If just having a guy with length was all it took to beat the Dubs, don't you think some other teams with rangy defenders would be employing it?
Switching on screens is just asking Curry to drop 50 on us, or dice our defense up on whoever switches to Bogut/Green. It's baffling that you think switching is the key to stopping the most potent offensive player since Michael Jordan.
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Originally Posted by
UZER
Let curry go off. Just don't let him scrabble the entire defense while finding open guys because that's when they become the juggernaut. D him up, show help but stay home, and let him try to score 70. He can't carry that load for an entire series.
Yes. Let's let the best shooter in NBA history get his. You realize that Curry could EASILY drop 50 points a night if we let him have his shots, right?
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
We're talking about a switch. Curry isn't going to run the PnR, get Anderson and then pass out to run a curl or something. And blowing passed anyone at that stage of a play is easier said that done. If Anderson hedges into a switch, Curry's going to have to reverse back to the middle. He'd be far too wide to have a driving lane long the side.
The Worriers barely ran any Curry/Draymond PnRs during the 1st matchup b/c Curry was doing fine torching Porker on isolation & transition. Then he proceeded to play off the ball when Kawhi was on him.
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Cry Havoc
Yes. Let's let the best shooter in NBA history get his. You realize that Curry could EASILY drop 50 points a night if we let him have his shots, right?
Yes but 50 pts won't kill you.
Its when Green, Iggy, Thompson, Barbosa, etc go off that they are extremely dangerous.
An example is like when Irving got 50 on us. We still should've won, we went to OT but him getting 50 was not the sole reason they won.
Curry will get his regardless. But we might as well not let others get involved. An example would be to never leave Thompson regardless of whats going on.
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Originally Posted by
Kawhitstorm
The Worriers barely ran any Curry/Draymond PnRs during the 1st matchup b/c Curry was doing fine torching Porker on isolation & transition. Then he proceeded to play off the ball when Kawhi was on him.
Damn you for making me watch the highlights of that game again. However, after looking at them, I am really not worried about this match-up. First, there were a lot of points Steph scored that the Spurs could prevent by just not turning ball over or losing defensive integrity in loose-ball situations. Second, Kawhi was on Curry for who of his scores, and Green was on him for none of them. So Steph was lighting up guys who won't see real minutes on him. Whoopty-doo. You are correct that the Warriors didn't run PnRs against the Spurs, and I guess it was Kerr not wanting to give Pop a chance to deal with it. But Pop play NO defensive scheme at all. None. Curry may well averaged under 25 in a match-up with the Spurs in the post-season. Hell, he might even have games under 20.
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Cry Havoc
Switching on screens is just asking Curry to drop 50 on us, or dice our defense up on whoever switches to Bogut/Green.
Those aren't equivalent outcomes. Green isn't dominating Kawhi or Danny, and even if he made a slick pass, that's just a two -- probably a contested one at that.
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Cry Havoc
If just having a guy with length was all it took to beat the Dubs, don't you think some other teams with rangy defenders would be employing it?
Bucks had success in the first game, and would have won the second if not for refs
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TDomination
Yes but 50 pts won't kill you.
Its when Green, Iggy, Thompson, Barbosa, etc go off that they are extremely dangerous.
An example is like when Irving got 50 on us. We still should've won, we went to OT but him getting 50 was not the sole reason they won.
Curry will get his regardless. But we might as well not let others get involved. An example would be to never leave Thompson regardless of whats going on.
If Curry gets 50, the rest of the starters don't even need to average 15ppg each to get the dubs to 100. That is not a recipe for success. You aren't going to completely stop Green & Klay from scoring, nor Curry from facilitating. If you let Curry average 50ppg for the series we'd be lucky to not get swept.
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Sheesh. Some of you really might be legit retarded
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
Damn you for making me watch the highlights of that game again. However, after looking at them, I am really not worried about this match-up. First, there were a lot of points Steph scored that the Spurs could prevent by just not turning ball over or losing defensive integrity in loose-ball situations. Second, Kawhi was on Curry for who of his scores, and Green was on him for none of them. So Steph was lighting up guys who won't see real minutes on him. Whoopty-doo. You are correct that the Warriors didn't run PnRs against the Spurs, and I guess it was Kerr not wanting to give Pop a chance to deal with it. But Pop play NO defensive scheme at all. None. Curry may well averaged under 25 in a match-up with the Spurs in the post-season. Hell, he might even have games under 20.
Curry scores a lot of point in transition or secondary breaks so trying to cross-match is going to be a disaster especially considering how shitty the team has been when it comes to transition D which was why Pop kept calling timeouts to yell at Manu/Kyle against the Blazers.:lol Curry is going to have his way unless the Spurs keep the turnover to a minimum & don't brick 3s that lead to long rebounds. (Danny/Porker/Manu being the three main culprits in those department)
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r0drig0lac
Bucks had success in the first game, and would have won the second if not for refs
The first game where they beat GS was something like their 6th game in 9 days and it was on the road. As much of a scheduled loss as you could ever have.
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I dont mind the idea. Put someone tall on him to stop the 3 and let him drive every single time.
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Re: Slomo might be the key in beating the Dubs...
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Originally Posted by
Kawhitstorm
Curry scores a lot of point in transition or secondary breaks so trying to cross-match is going to be a disaster especially considering how shitty the team has been when it comes to transition D which was why Pop kept calling timeouts to yell at Manu/Kyle against the Blazers.:lol Curry is going to have his way unless the Spurs keep the turnover to a minimum & don't brick 3s that lead to long rebounds.
Yeah, but that's in the Spurs' control. I think if they play an average offensive game, they'll actually win. Pop needs to stop making his team fear GS. It's not even about them.
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Cry Havoc
The first game where they beat GS was something like their 6th game in 9 days and it was on the road. As much of a scheduled loss as you could ever have.
they were dominating the second match, until Giannis receive two ridiculous fouls in two minutes.
I really think the size and attack the rim aggressively it is how someone will beat them