Kawhi just had an off night tbh...

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Also, Kawhi shoots a lot more and even drives more with Patty on the court than Parker.

That means I want to bench Parker? No. I just want Pop plays Kawhi more with Patty in the last minutes of the 1st quarter instead of sitting him remaining 3 minutes like he was doing in the last games. And more in the 4th with him too.

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I've closely analyzed the Kawhi/Patty dynamic via game film, and they rarely set one another up, so trying to spin it as some kind of complementary relationship is disingenuous. First of all, the sample size is a lot smaller than the floor time Parker/Kawhi have had (meaning less game film for the opponent's to study) and secondly, the elephant in the room here is the fact that Manu will often check in with Patty.

Take a look here at lineups 3 and 4, which are two of the best lineups the Spurs have that have played any significant minutes together. Both lineups are nearly identical in minutes and personnel, expect one has Tony and the other Patty:

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/...sort=MIN&dir=1

The Tony lineup is 2 ratings point better.

Patty "excels" alongside Kawhi is a lot of Frankenstein and experimental lineups, lineups that don't have large enough sample sizes to draw any meaningful conclusions and that are too gimmicky to work long term.

The Patty makes Kawhi better myth is one the stupidest ideas on this site.

greatcuck being a bitch ass hypocrite as usual. Someone brings up a quote from TP and that bitch will lose it again.

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Originally Posted by SayTown

Kawhi wasn't getting touches, shooting or scoring early in the game and when he did get ball he seemed to be forcing the issue. It seems he tuned out early and for the rest of the game he let it affect his defense and overall game.

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Why get reward when your d sucks

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Jizzrag50, tbh

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

I've closely analyzed the Kawhi/Patty dynamic via game film, and they rarely set one another up, so trying to spin it as some kind of complementary relationship is disingenuous. First of all, the sample size is a lot smaller than the floor time Parker/Kawhi have had (meaning less game film for the opponent's to study) and secondly, the elephant in the room here is the fact that Manu will often check in with Patty.

Take a look here at lineups 3 and 4, which are two of the best lineups the Spurs have that have played any significant minutes together. Both lineups are nearly identical in minutes and personnel, expect one has Tony and the other Patty:

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/...sort=MIN&dir=1

The Tony lineup is 2 ratings point better.

Patty "excels" alongside Kawhi is a lot of Frankenstein and experimental lineups, lineups that don't have large enough sample sizes to draw any meaningful conclusions and that are too gimmicky to work long term.

The Patty makes Kawhi better myth is one the stupidest ideas on this site.

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Parker's so focussed on trying to find LMA early in the games that he doesn't even look for Kawhi for entire quarters. Like you say, Kawhi plays a lot more minutes with him so it's killing his offense. That's most on Pop, but on Parker too.

Patty doesn't make Kawhi better but he's a more willing passer than Parker and since Patty doesn't excel at P&Rs/Pops with the bigs like him, Kawhi can get the ball and to be aggressive.

That's the reason why Kawhi scores more, shoots more, and drives more with Patty on the court than Parker.

If Parker's the third option on this team should start playing like one instead of looking for his own shots when the #1a/1b option asks him for the ball.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Faggot is fucking weird bruh :lol

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Funny how you got people here fooled that you're an actual spurs fan.
Got to give you credit for that. But to some it's obvious you're a fraudulent bitch

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Parker's so focussed on trying to find LMA early in the games that he doesn't even look for Kawhi for entire quarters. Like you say, Kawhi plays a lot more minutes with him so it's killing his offense. That's most on Pop, but on Parker too.

Patty doesn't make Kawhi better but he's a more willing passer than Parker and since Patty doesn't excel at P&Rs/Pops with the bigs like him, Kawhi can get the ball and to be aggressive.

That's the reason why Kawhi scores more, shoots more, and drives more with Patty on the court than Parker.

If Parker's the third option on this team should start playing like one instead of looking for his own shots when the #1a/1b option asks him for the ball.

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Kawhi usually gets the ball from Manu in those situations.

Common set in a Manu/Kawhi/Patty lineup:

Patty dribbles it up and then hands it off to Manu top of the 3 point line. Patty runs a curl to the weakside off ball to draw away his defender as Kawhi either stays at the Bowen corner (to wait for a drive and kick from Manu) or he flashes to the post in which Manu will find him.

Most of the time, it's not Patty and Kawhi playing some kind of 2 man game. And yes, LMA is off the floor in that lineup, so it stands to reason Kawhi is going to get more touches.

Anyhow, Kawhi/Tony isn't the problem right now. It's the lack of consistency from Green, Patty, Boris, and Manu. The Spurs won't win too many high profile/playoff games when those 4 flip flop from 25-30 combined points a night to 7-10 combined points.

I'll post what I posted in the game thread about him.

Kawhi just doesn't have it in crunch time. He doesn't have a dribble drive game to get to the rim and he has no confidence in his 3 point shot. Fucking atrocious, always passing up open 3s to take a couple of dribbles in for a long two. I'm a shooter, and if I was able to shoot 47% in the NBA from 3, I sure as fuck would be taking every open 3 point shot that I got with a massive smile on my face. If I could dribble (I can't), I'd either shoot the 3 or take it to the rack if I could see a pathway there. I don't understand his reluctance to take the open shot. Either shoot the 3 or try and dribble in deep and get to the rim. I don't understand why he always has to take those long 2s. I'm not a fan of that.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Pop did everything tonight to get Kawhi out rhythm.
Sat him most 2nd quarter, just play two minutes. In the 4th quarter Kawhi re-entered remaining just 7 minutes when he didn't even play many minutes in the whole first half...That and Parker ball hog and most of P&Rs with the bigs is a real problem for his offense, tbh.

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I appreciate it when Parker has it going, but the main flaw I see with him is that he gets greedy. If he starts scoring, it's like he feels that he should keep going. I'd still like him to balance it out a bit more. He's not the 1A option anymore and I think he needs to realize this and not force his offense when he has it going. He forces it a bit when he has it going.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

I'll post what I posted in the game thread about him.

Kawhi just doesn't have it in crunch time. He doesn't have a dribble drive game to get to the rim and he has no confidence in his 3 point shot. Fucking atrocious, always passing up open 3s to take a couple of dribbles in for a long two. I'm a shooter, and if I was able to shoot 47% in the NBA from 3, I sure as fuck would be taking every open 3 point shot that I got with a massive smile on my face. If I could dribble (I can't), I'd either shoot the 3 or take it to the rack if I could see a pathway there. I don't understand his reluctance to take the open shot. Either shoot the 3 or try and dribble in deep and get to the rim. I don't understand why he always has to take those long 2s. I'm not a fan of that.

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It's hard to tell what it is. He looked like a completely different player in that Orlando and pelicans game when he was shooting those 3s in crunchtime. He just looked way more confident.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Kawhi usually gets the ball from Manu in those situations.

Common set in a Manu/Kawhi/Patty lineup:

Patty dribbles it up and then hands it off to Manu top of the 3 point line. Patty runs a curl to the weakside off ball to draw away his defender as Kawhi either stays at the Bowen corner (to wait for a drive and kick from Manu) or he flashes to the post in which Manu will find him.

Most of the time, it's not Patty and Kawhi playing some kind of 2 man game. And yes, LMA is off the floor in that lineup, so it stands to reason Kawhi is going to get more touches.

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Sometimes Patty gives the ball to Kawhi to initiate the offense, can't remember when was the last time Parker did it, tbh.

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Anyhow, Kawhi/Tony isn't the problem right now. It's the lack of consistency from Green, Patty, Boris, and Manu. The Spurs won't win too many high profile/playoff games when those 4 flip flop from 25-30 combined points a night to 7-10 combined points.

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Not getting Kawhi more involved is a real issue.

Talking about lack of consistency, you want to go to Parker, he was great in the first half and not too much in the 2nd half, that's why I rather to have him more than a facilitator than a scorer because it's likely he gets tired in the last minutes of a game.

The Spurs won't win many games in playoffs if Parker/other-guys-not-named-LMA take more shots than Kawhi.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Sometimes Patty gives the ball to Kawhi to initiate the offense, can't remember when was the last time Parker did it, tbh.



Not getting Kawhi more involved is a real issue.

Talking about lack of consistency, you want to go to Parker, he was great in the first half and not too much in the 2nd half, that's why I rather to have him more than a facilitator than a scorer because it's likely he gets tired in the last minutes of a game.

The Spurs won't win many games in playoffs if Parker/other-guys-not-named-LMA take more shots than Kawhi.

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:lol Of course it is. It's always about mah Kiwi not gettn bawl :cry

By high stake standards, Kawhi had also a tame game vs the Dubs..We"ll see, but hopefully this minor hiccup because he had terrific February and start of March..

It was a very poor effort, overall..

That was the least effort and energy I've seen Leonard and Green play with, this season..

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Originally Posted by Ice009

I'll post what I posted in the game thread about him.

Kawhi just doesn't have it in crunch time. He doesn't have a dribble drive game to get to the rim and he has no confidence in his 3 point shot. Fucking atrocious, always passing up open 3s to take a couple of dribbles in for a long two. I'm a shooter, and if I was able to shoot 47% in the NBA from 3, I sure as fuck would be taking every open 3 point shot that I got with a massive smile on my face. If I could dribble (I can't), I'd either shoot the 3 or take it to the rack if I could see a pathway there. I don't understand his reluctance to take the open shot. Either shoot the 3 or try and dribble in deep and get to the rim. I don't understand why he always has to take those long 2s. I'm not a fan of that.

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It's the chicken shit in him.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

I appreciate it when Parker has it going, but the main flaw I see with him is that he gets greedy. If he starts scoring, it's like he feels that he should keep going. I'd still like him to balance it out a bit more. He's not the 1A option anymore and I think he needs to realize this and not force his offense when he has it going. He forces it a bit when he has it going.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It was a very poor effort, overall..

That was the least effort and energy I've seen Leonard and Green play with, this season..

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My theory here is they were probably fatigued mentally and physically after the Golden State game, Danny especially, since he was EVERYWHERE in that game on defense.

This is also another primary reason why I'm advocating so hard for that 3rd scorer. Danny will likely be an offensive non-factor against GS and shoot terribly, because he won't have the legs after chasing Curry/Klay around for 35 minutes per game. Kawhi, too, might not have the legs to score the needed 20-25 points per game we're going to need from him since he'll be tasked with a big defensive load, as well.

So where is the (consistent) scoring going to come from? The Committee? :lol This 15 points one game, 4 points the next shit from Mills, Manu, Boris, etc isn't going to get it done. Those three need to routinely combine for 30ish points per game. I honestly don't think they can. So Parker is the last hope. He's a penetrator, and watching Saturday's game, once you get into the lane vs. Golden State, their lack of shotblocking rears its head. Wardell is also a terrible defender (I don't care what his DRPM is. Result of team defense) and was struggling to stay in front of Parker/Mills.

In addition to that, LMA was also d-ing up like motherfucker on switches Kevin Garnett style, so his offense will naturally take a hit from being gassed on the defensive end.

The Spurs desperately need some complementary scoring. LMA and Kawhi won't be able to sustain that effort on both ends over the series.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

:lol Of course it is. It's always about mah Kiwi not gettn bawl :cry

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...So Parker is the last hope...

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Well, if you think Kawhi doesn't need more FGAs than the other-guys-not-named-LMA...Or Parker against Beverley, Paul/Westbrook, GSW will replace Kawhi's offense in playoffs...I can't help.

You always say this is a player fan thing but I rather to have Kawhi aggressive and involved instead of Parker looking for his own shot.

Why? Because if Kawhi's more involved, he will get his confidence back. And a confident Kawhi is a bigger 3 threat, a better Iso player, younger and more athleticism to finish than Parker at this stage of his career.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Well, if you think Kawhi doesn't need more FGAs than the other-guys-not-named-LMA...Or Parker against Beverley, Paul/Westbrook, GSW will replace Kawhi's offense in playoffs I can't help.

You always say this is a player fan thing but I rather to have Kawhi aggressive and involved instead of Parker looking for his own shot.

Why? Because if Kawhi's more involved, he will get his confidence back. And a confident Kawhi is a bigger 3 threat, a better Iso player, younger and more athleticism to finish than Parker at this stage of his career.

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You're not living in the real world if you think Kawhi and LMA are always going to take more shots than the other players. Believe it or not, sometimes Derek Fisher took more shots than Kobe. It happens. Your criticism also doesn't hold water because Kawhi's usage relative to Parker's isn't a problem. And I also don't know how many times I have to point out the fact that Parker's front court touches are pretty low for a starting point guard and that Kawhi's front court touches are in line with other star wings who aren't primary ball handlers (like Lebron). Kawhi gets the ball plenty.

I also don't see how shifting the blame to Parker/lack of Kawhi touches being a "problem" holds water when the starting lineup, in a strange inversion of earlier in the season, has been killing opponents, while the bench+Danny Green have been mediocre offensively.

This is a player fan thing. You want Kawhi to have a prettier PPG and falsely perceive Parker as the player hindering him from increasing it.

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Originally Posted by midnightpulp

You're not living in the real world if you think Kawhi and LMA are always going to take more shots than the other players. Believe it or not, sometimes Derek Fisher took more shots than Kobe. It happens.

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Can't remember when Fisher took more shots than Kobe for an entire playoffs series.

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Your criticism also doesn't hold water because Kawhi's usage relative to Parker's isn't a problem.

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It's a problem since Blazers game.

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I also don't see how shifting the blame to Parker/lack of Kawhi touches being a "problem" holds water when the starting lineup, in a strange inversion of earlier in the season, has been killing opponents

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Well, Parker getting more touches than Kawhi didn't kill Hornets. Keeping Kawhi cold/out rhythm doesn't seem that good...

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This is a player fan thing. You want Kawhi to have a prettier PPG and falsely perceive Parker as the player hindering him from increasing it.

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You act like if Kawhi has lower PPG will help this team to win games.

Spurs offense is way too predictable We're in Mid March and the offense hasn't improved one bit since the start of the season. You can't beat a historically great team like the Warriors with just two options on offense. Green's been neutered by the Spurs slow pace; Diaw doesn't care; Mills's shooting is night and day; vending machine head is just so laughably lost on both ends of the court; Ginobili is just plain struggling; It's mid March and Pop is still tinkering with rotations which tells me he's still searching for clues. The team has struggled on the road all year. And then posters here wonder why the media doesn't give them a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Warriors in the playoffs. :lol

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Can't remember when Fisher took more shots than Kobe for an entire playoffs series.

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When was this? If you're referring to 12, 13, 14, Kawhi obviously wasn't yet an offensive focal point, so it's not fair to use those seasons as an example.

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It's a problem since Blazers game.

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How is there any "problem" (re: Blazers game in which Tony took two more shots than Leonard) when our starters crushed theirs? Every starting Spur had a +/- north of 15.

Our starters also beat Golden State's by a decent margin. They also beat Charlotte's.

This is the kind of bullshit logic that convinces me you're a player fan. You want Parker relegated to a glorified Derek Fisher role where he just dribbles the ball up, throws it to Kawhi, and looks on. When you see an 8-16 from Tony vis a vis an 8-11 from Kawhi, a game in which the Spurs probably won by 20, you think, "Aw shucks. Those shots should've gone to Kawhi so he could increase his PPG." Sometimes Tony has a matchup advantage. Sometimes Kawhi is being ball denied all game. Sometimes Kawhi is being swarmed. Sometimes Kawhi looks to playmake. Tony taking more shots than Kawhi has a lot more factors to it than just Tony "looking for his to spite Kawhi."

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Well, Parker getting more touches than Kawhi didn't kill Hornets. Keeping Kawhi cold/out rhythm doesn't seem that good...

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Parker actually had the highest +/- for the game. And Kawhi (and LMA) was probably fatigued/drained from the Warriors game, so Pop might've looked for a balanced offensive attack from the starters. And it worked. But keep neglecting the fact that your boys Danny, Boris, Manu, and Patty shot a combined 2-20. Yeah, that had nothing to do with this loss. It was because Tony made Kawhi go cold somehow :lol Always Tony's fault, isn't it?

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You act like if Kawhi has lower PPG will help this team to win games.

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It might. It depends. Kawhi and LMA getting more offensive support will make the offense much more dynamic and less one dimensional. It will also take a much needed load off of those two. You have to remember both players are also central to the team's defense. That said, I don't care what Kawhi's PPG is. As long as the offense is good overall, he can average 50 or 10 for all I care. You obviously do care, and want a pretty number on his stat sheet because you're a player fan.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

It was a very poor effort, overall..

That was the least effort and energy I've seen Leonard and Green play with, this season..

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Would you say it was a historically poor effort overall? Who would you rank higher.... The Broncos historical defense or the Spurs historical defense that couldn't even slow down Jeremy Fucking Lin? Also, you haven't been watching much of Danny Green if you think this is the worst he's looked effort wise this season. :lol