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Exactly. It's more noticeable now though. Parker clearly ignored him from the jump and iced him out of the offense. The leading scorer should not be relegated to the three point line. There should be more pick n roll with LMA and Duncan. Parker had so many turnovers, forced a lot of shots and tried to hero ball which dug the team into a hole. Frustrating to watch. Spurs fans are in denial. How hard is it for Parker to give Kawhi the ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
No I think this is on Kawhi, Tony was hot and the team was rolling on offense early and even though he wasn't a part of that he should have still stayed engaged which he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
If Parker scoring in the season comes at expense of the offense and development of the best player on the team, that is NOT good.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Just imagine if Curry/Klay, Russ/KD, LeBron/Irving, Lowry/DeRozan, take less shots than the #3 option for 3/4 consecutive games...
We are talking about the best player on the team is taking less shots in the last games, and you say it's not a big deal.
+/-? For real? What a nice measure of a player performance! Of course, you're 100% reliant on +/- stats.Quote:
Parker actually had the highest +/- for the game.
Stop trolling.
Like the offense has a chance to be good if Kawhi scores 10 ppg...Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I wonder how many games do you think the Spurs can win with Kawhi scoring 10 points. 60? 70? 80?
Really. Stop trolling.
Danny/Patty/Manu got destroyed by Lin/Lee: 2/15 (7 pts):lol vs. 19/31 (46 pts):wowQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
:lol Yeah, Parker has been such a detriment to Kawhi's development it's not like Leonard isn't a top 5 player in the league. I get it, though, You won't be satisfied until Tony 100% defers to Kawhi, Derek Fisher style. You want that sexy PPG, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
And on this point, I don't want Kawhi's "development" coming at the expense of the team. As I've said before, you're going to have to deal with the fact that Kawhi has been on a contender from day 1, and never, will never, have the freedom to just dominate the ball for the purpose of "developing." That said, I'm okay with how Kawhi's development has progressed. Isn't he an MVP candidate?
Those players don't play on the Spurs. Even when Duncan was the clear cut number one through 98-07, there were many, many games in which Robinson, Manu, and Parker had more shots. You focus on shot attempts way too fuckin' much. Also, developing as a player has more to do with than just "gettn bawl."Quote:
Just imagine if Curry/Klay, Russ/KD, LeBron/Irving, Lowry/DeRozan, take less shots than the #3 option for 3/4 consecutive games...
It isn't when the starters have decidedly been outplaying the opposing starters.Quote:
We are talking about the best player on the team is taking less shots in the last games, and you say it's not a big deal.
I don't need to use it. Just watch the games. Our starters have been on a roll the past month or so. It's the bench that's mysteriously gotten inconsistent.Quote:
+/-? For real? What a nice measure of a player performance! Of course, you're 100% reliant on +/- stats.
Again, this all boils down to you wanting to see your favorite player "go to work."
Nice strawman. Read more carefully. Kawhi's PPG doesn't matter to me as long as the overall offense looks good. Of course, for this current iteration of the offense to look good, Kawhi will have score 18-20ish points most nights, but the Spurs are a pretty deep team, and there will be games in which the Spurs offense rolls even with Kawhi disengaged from the offense. It's not the end of the fuckin' world if he has streaks where the 3rd option is getting a few more shots than him. But your fanboy bias won't allow you to see otherwise, since you watch the Spurs to watch Kawhi, and when he's not the main feature of the team, you're disappointed and lash out at Tony or whomever for "neglecting" him.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
Again, I get it. You want to watch your favorite player. I just want to watch the Spurs win. Doesn't matter to me what Kawhi's line is.
Since Kawhi is our best player, he is most often going to be doubleteamed when he gets the ball. The answer to a double team is not to try to bull forward every time. A great player like Duncan in his prime and Lebron James learns to pass off to the open man. They know their shots will come--and be better shots for them when some of the defensive attention is forced away from them and over to a team mate who is scoring by being left open.
Tony has been doing a good job of passing the ball and giving up his scoring when the shots aren't there. It's a change for him but he is adapting pretty well. On the other hand, we need at least 3 scorers to keep the court spaced and with Green having a terrible stretch of shooting, someone else on the starting five has to pick up the slack when Kwahi is doubleteamed or so tightly guarded that it is hard to get him the ball. He does not move without the ball instinctively in order to get open, tends to get on the side and wait for a pass.
It's all working out great. LMA having his best season and Kwahi doing his defensive thing while still getting his points average up. Everyone needs to chill out.
Role players need to be set up. Stars will their teams to win even in shit road games. Was kawhi gassed? Maybe, I don't see many people saying that. Maybe he really is a role player. Nice defense, a few skills on O, but can't dominate games unless he has a clear advantage or gets into a groove.
I don't know why they've gone away from him in the post. He's dominant down there. He's handling the double/triple teams so much better.
Portland he barely got the ball because of the two man game with Parker-LMA. Legit option that was working. But Leonard had like 3-5 shot attempts in the first half. He started knocking down 3s in the second half so it didn't look so bad.
Thunder game he was more active. Not in the post so much but running the offense at the top of 3 point line. Especially the second half. He was running pick/rolls, pick/pops, etc...
GS game he was either parked on the 3 point line or used as a screener. Barely involved. LMA and Diaw were in the post which again legit options that were working. But that doesn't mean Leonard shouldn't get some looks there. Hesitant as hell. Mixed results with pick/pop and pick/roll. Only play I can think was ran for him was like 3 minutes left in the game. Diaw in the high post with Leonard curling around that led to ft attempts.
Same in the Hornets game. No post action, no screens, no pick/pop, etc.. Too many pump fakes, too indecisive, then forced shots
Teams are looking for the lob but when is the last time they even looked for that option?
Leonard needs to kick the indecisiveness to the curb. No excuses there. But they need to get him involved early again.
Yeah, but that's not the right word. Whatever. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
I'm not sure what you're getting at. All I know is that Kawhi looked a little slow, like he had some kind of gook on his shoes. Or more like he was on an uphill slope. He just couldn't zip down the floor. I don't know... maybe he had a nip of something before the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I took a picture of this near his seat at the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8UZyT6v9iYA/hqdefault.jpg
I wonder why you think the Spurs have many chances to win if Kawhi doesn't have a good game/line.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Since there won't be a team without Kawhi when Tim/Manu retire, I find his development crucial to the success of the Spurs.Quote:
I don't want Kawhi's "development" coming at the expense of the team.
Still don't get why you think is not important to get Kawhi involved.
If Kawhi's a big part of the Spurs offense, you should be worried about the lack of plays for him in the first half.
Since Blazers game we saw a lot of Parker/LMA action but the team didn't mix it up with Kawhi plays in the first quarters. That resulted in Kawhi becoming tentative and out of rhythm, a very expectable issue.
If Parker tries 4/5 P&Rs/pops with LMA in the first quarter, why he can't run at least 1/2 plays for Kawhi to get him involved in the same quarter?
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Originally Posted by loveforthegame
:lmao Subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View