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The establishment voting for the only establishment candidate left.....anyone surprised?
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WASHINGTON — Republican Congressman Carlos Curbelo (Fla.) said Thursday he won’t ever support Donald Trump for president, and left the door open to voting for Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton instead.
“I think both Donald Trump and Mrs. Clinton are flawed candidates. If you look at the polls, the majority of Americans have negative views on both of them,” Curbelo told a CBS affiliate in Miami. “So I am going to wait and see what happens on our side. But I have already said I will not support Mr. Trump. That’s not a political decision; it is a moral decision.”
Asked point blank if that means he’d vote for Clinton over Trump if it came down to it, Curbelo kept it vague.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a3721819a641
How can people argue that they want someone else and vote in a establishment candidate....doesn't make sense...
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Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
What the fuck are you so angry about?
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Th'Pusher
What the fuck are you so angry about?
I'm not angry but watching the entrenched Washington aristocracy scrambling to overturn the will of the voters has been very illuminating.
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Th'Pusher
What the fuck are you so angry about?
the idea that my party is calling a vote for trump an act of stupidity should make republican voters angry.
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
They're slowly starting to figure out that it's getting harder to pull the wool over people's eyes, tbh. The media is almost powerless for once and they can't throw money at this problem like usual. It's a lose-lose situation for them now. Either back the candidate they don't want or screw over voters and destroy their own party. At least with the former there's a chance they can come out on top.
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CosmicCowboy
Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
If I was the Repbublican party I would be trying to kill Trump at all costs too. Trump's campaign is pretty much outright racism, and it could torpedo the Republicans hopes of keeping the senate if his angry white man rhetoric drives a large turnout. With Scalia gone and Ginsburg likely on her way out in the next term, them losing the senate would have enormous implications for the nation's future. With a Democrat senate and a President Clinton you could be looking at another two younger liberals like Sotomayor and Kagan on the bench for the next 20-30 years. That would be disastrous for gun rights, for example. Trump can do enormous damage to the party's name by making people associate it with white nationalism instead of conservatism.
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baseline bum
If I was the Repbublican party I would be trying to kill Trump at all costs too. Trump's campaign is pretty much outright racism, and it could torpedo the Republicans hopes of keeping the senate if his angry white man rhetoric drives a large turnout. With Scalia gone and Ginsburg likely on her way out in the next term, them losing the senate would have enormous implications for the nation's future. With a Democrat senate and a President Clinton you could be looking at another two younger liberals like Sotomayor and Kagan on the bench for the next 20-30 years. That would be disastrous for gun rights, for example. Trump can do enormous damage to the party's name by making people associate it with white nationalism instead of conservatism.
I would be OK if they could separate conservatism from religion. Reverend Cruz sucks worse than Trump.
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maybe its just me, but i don't think he's racist. i don't think he's sexist.
they certainly want us to think that.
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clambake
maybe its just me, but i don't think he's racist. i don't think he's sexist.
they certainly want us to think that.
The start out with sexist, then add racist, then slowly add all the other ISTs (until the college students are afraid of chalk messages).
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
If I was the Repbublican party I would be trying to kill Trump at all costs too. Trump's campaign is pretty much outright racism, and it could torpedo the Republicans hopes of keeping the senate if his angry white man rhetoric drives a large turnout. With Scalia gone and Ginsburg likely on her way out in the next term, them losing the senate would have enormous implications for the nation's future. With a Democrat senate and a President Clinton you could be looking at another two younger liberals like Sotomayor and Kagan on the bench for the next 20-30 years. That would be disastrous for gun rights, for example. Trump can do enormous damage to the party's name by making people associate it with white nationalism instead of conservatism.
What a crock of shit! That is not true at all.
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tlongII
What a crock of shit! That is not true at all.
Bullshit, he came on the scene with the Obama birth certificate garbage. Then a 35 foot wall to keep Mexican rapists out. Then wanting to register every muslim. His campaign is pure white nationalism.
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baseline bum
Bullshit, he came on the scene with the Obama birth certificate garbage. Then a 35 foot wall to keep Mexican rapists out. Then wanting to register every muslim. His campaign is pure white nationalism.
i don't know. i think his campaign is pure white paranoia drilling.
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i just think this whole thing smells. the people are voting for trump.
i guess this will be the last time we see democrats and republicans working together.
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Bullshit, he came on the scene with the Obama birth certificate garbage. Then a 35 foot wall to keep Mexican rapists out. Then wanting to register every muslim. His campaign is pure white nationalism.
The birther shit is just stupid, but not necessarily racist. There were McCain birthers and, more recently, Cruz birthers.
The 35 foot border wall seems more like a metaphor to me. Does anyone really believe this is going to happen? That said, having border walls isn't racist. That's like saying that people who lock their doors are racists.
Calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until the vetting process is, itself, vetted, just makes good sense, IMHO.
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DarrinS
Calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until the vetting process is, itself, vetted, just makes good sense, IMHO.
I'm talking about him wanting every American muslim to register.
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:lol at the he's a Kenyan muslim socialist conspiracy not being racist
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I don't think Trump is the guarantee nominee right now. Cruz is now leading in the polls in Wisconsin and is only 3% behind in the national polls. The narrowed field is gonna hurt Trump and it would be worse for him if it wasn't for Kasich in the race.
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Trump's campaign is basically similar to a European right-wing nationalist movement a.k.a. appealing to white Americans.
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Pelicans78
Trump's campaign is basically similar to a European right-wing nationalist movement a.k.a. appealing to white Americans.
I don't know any conservatives who like Trump. Every single Republican voter I know wants Cruz to get the nomination.
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Trump is not racist, or sexist. He is simply talking like a New Yorker.
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Bullshit, he came on the scene with the Obama birth certificate garbage. Then a 35 foot wall to keep Mexican rapists out. Then wanting to register every muslim. His campaign is pure white nationalism.
Bullshit. None of what he said on those subjects is racist. You should take it in context.
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tlongII
Bullshit. None of what he said on those subjects is racist. You should take it in context.
LOL its all racist shit.
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baseline bum
I'm talking about him wanting every American muslim to register.
He never said that. He was considering that all Muslims might need to be in a database. I think he got confused with the question though.
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tlongII
He never said that. He was considering that all Muslims might need to be in a database. I think he got confused with the question though.
And then he can have them sew little crescent moons into their shirts.
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baseline bum
LOL its all racist shit.
Bullshit. People are too PC these days.
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Originally Posted by
tlongII
Bullshit. People are too PC these days.
You're like culburn when arguing shit. :lol
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baseline bum
You're like culburn when arguing shit. :lol
If you mean accurate then yes.
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tlongII
If you mean accurate then yes.
No, I mean your arguments are 'nuh uh'.
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baseline bum
No, I mean your arguments are 'nuh uh'.
Uh huh.
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tlongII
Uh huh.
They were selling your shit
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
They were selling your shit
I don't even know what that means.
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tlongII
I don't even know what that means.
Neal never raped
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
The birther shit is just stupid, but not necessarily racist. There were McCain birthers and, more recently, Cruz birthers.
The 35 foot border wall seems more like a metaphor to me. Does anyone really believe this is going to happen? That said, having border walls isn't racist. That's like saying that people who lock their doors are racists.
Calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until the vetting process is, itself, vetted, just makes good sense, IMHO.
You forgot the, "I'm not a Trump fan, but..."
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Th'Pusher
You forgot the, "I'm not a Trump fan, but..."
I just think the wall he proposes is impractical, but border security is a real issue.
I'm curious -- ar what height does our southern border become racist?
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Originally Posted by
tlongII
Bullshit. People are too PC these days.
Too PC about what? Examples, please?
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DarrinS
I just think the wall he proposes is impractical, but border security is a real issue.
I'm curious -- ar what height does our southern border become racist?
Of course it's impractical, but he's appealing to people's (racist) emotion. That's the point.
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Trill Clinton
Too PC about what? Examples, please?
Like the example I responded to.
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Originally Posted by
Th'Pusher
Of course it's impractical, but he's appealing to people's (racist) emotion. That's the point.
It's not a racist emotion. It's a concern about illegal immigration.
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tlongII
It's not a racist emotion. It's a concern about illegal immigration.
Do you agree his proposed wall is impractical?
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tlongII has a point, too much political correctness around the world. Need to tell it like it is without having to worry about being called a racist, maybe Brussels wouldn't be tolerant of all the pieces of shit pushing for sharia law or sweden wouldn't be so self-loathing that you have some of them popping up in social media with sympathy towards muslims having a finger pointed at them after the brussels attack.
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Th'Pusher
Do you agree his proposed wall is impractical?
Sure. So what?
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Originally Posted by
Mitch
tlongII has a point, too much political correctness around the world. Need to tell it like it is without having to worry about being called a racist, maybe Brussels wouldn't be tolerant of all the pieces of shit pushing for sharia law or sweden wouldn't be so self-loathing that you have some of them popping up in social media with sympathy towards muslims having a finger pointed at them after the brussels attack.
All the birth certificate crap was telling it like it is?
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
I've been all y'all that voters preferences are ignored, voters are disenfranchised.
Only the donor class' preferences make it into regulations, codes, laws.
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baseline bum
All the birth certificate crap was telling it like it is?
The fuck does that even mean?
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Originally Posted by
Th'Pusher
Of course it's impractical, but he's appealing to people's (racist) emotion. That's the point.
What kind of border would you consider NOT racist? Should we just outline our border with welcome mats?
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DarrinS
What kind of border would you consider NOT racist? Should we just outline our border with welcome mats?
You're not getting it. No border wall is racist. Proposing an impractical border wall is an appeal to racist's emotion. And it's working.
But we know, you're not a trump fan :lol
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Mitch
The fuck does that even mean?
That Trump is a birther.
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baseline bum
All the birth certificate crap was telling it like it is?
He questioned whether Obama was born in Hawaii. It wasn't a statement of fact. It was also in 2011, well before he decided to run for POTUS.
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Th'Pusher
You're not getting it. No border wall is racist. Proposing an impractical border wall is an appeal to racist's emotion. And it's working.
But we know, you're not a trump fan :lol
So, when they proposed to build the current parts that are 20-ish feet tall, was that also racist?
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Originally Posted by
Th'Pusher
You're not getting it. No border wall is racist. Proposing an impractical border wall is an appeal to racist's emotion. And it's working.
But we know, you're not a trump fan :lol
No, it's a mechanism to get the discussion started.
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Th'Pusher
Do you agree his proposed wall is impractical?
From an engineering standpoint it could be easily built. Instead of a single 35 foot wall it would be more practical to do a simple double chain link 8' fence 100' apart with concertina and land mines between. Put up a lot of multilingual signs. Might have to have a few manned stations at water gaps out in West Texas but building it would be easy. Anybody dumb enough to try to cross deserves the Darwin exit. I guarantee the ranch owners in Texas on the border would be happy to donate the easement just to get control of their property again.
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DarrinS
So, when they proposed to build the current parts that are 20-ish feet tall, was that also racist?
Likely, but the fact that the wall was actually built indicates it was at least somewhat practical.
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DarrinS
What kind of border would you consider NOT racist? Should we just outline our border with welcome mats?
I would consider a policy that treated illegal immigration as a two-way street not racist. E.g., putting people in prison for hiring illegals, combating the problem not just at the border but also inside the border. But racist Trump doesn't want that, he'd rather hire illegals and save a few bucks. I would love to see a candidate take illegal immigration seriously but building a wall or putting more border patrol at the river isn't a serious proposal as long as it's fine to employ them. And for agriculture jobs that depend on illegals, allow them to legally come in for the growing season to work those farms and pay taxes just like the rest of us who enjoy the opportunities America provides.
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clambake
land mines?
claymores
I'm OK with that. Bottom line is THIS IS OUR FUCKING BORDER DON'T CROSS IT WITHOUT PERMISSION.
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CosmicCowboy
I'm not angry but watching the entrenched Washington aristocracy scrambling to overturn the will of the voters has been very illuminating.
You're just not catching on to this?
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baseline bum
That Trump is a birther.
Who gives a shit, tbh? I'm talking about political correctness being a plague in western civilization.
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Originally Posted by
Mitch
Who gives a shit, tbh? I'm talking about political correctness being a plague in western civilization.
I'm talking about Trump.
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
I would consider a policy that treated illegal immigration as a two-way street not racist. E.g., putting people in prison for hiring illegals, combating the problem not just at the border but also inside the border. But racist Trump doesn't want that, he'd rather hire illegals and save a few bucks. I would love to see a candidate take illegal immigration seriously but building a wall or putting more border patrol at the river isn't a serious proposal as long as it's fine to employ them. And for agriculture jobs that depend on illegals allow them to come in the growing season to work those farms and pay taxes just like the rest of us who enjoy the opportunities America provides.
I have said all along if you are serious about illegal immigration then start putting employers in jail that don't e-verify and hold back taxes due. The underground economy is built on illegals.
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baseline bum
I'm talking about Trump.
I'm not.
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
From an engineering standpoint it could be easily built. Instead of a single 35 foot wall it would be more practical to do a simple double chain link 8' fence 100' apart with concertina and land mines between. Put up a lot of multilingual signs. Might have to have a few manned stations at water gaps out in West Texas but building it would be easy. Anybody dumb enough to try to cross deserves the Darwin exit. I guarantee the ranch owners in Texas on the border would be happy to donate the easement just to get control of their property again.
Easily built? Don't make me go sifting through your post history to dig up the post where you talk about the rough terrain in west Texas and how difficult it would be be to build a wall on it.
It's a stupid, impractical appeal to emotion. Just admit it and be done.
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Originally Posted by
Th'Pusher
Easily built? Don't make me go sifting through your post history to dig up the post where you talk about the rough terrain in west Texas and how difficult it would be be to build a wall on it.
It's a stupid, impractical appeal to emotion. Just admit it and be done.
The practicality doesn't matter. It gets the discussion started. That's what matters.
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tlongII
Like the example I responded to.
I've heard people complaining about those examples for a while now. Nobody is stopping people from not being pc.
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Originally Posted by
CosmicCowboy
I have said all along if you are serious about illegal immigration then start putting employers in jail that don't e-verify and hold back taxes due. The underground economy is built on illegals.
I agree 100%, gotta cut down the demand for illegals, not just chip away a couple of percent at the supply of them.
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Th'Pusher
Easily built? Don't make me go sifting through your post history to dig up the post where you talk about the rough terrain in west Texas and how difficult it would be be to build a wall on it.
It's a stupid, impractical appeal to emotion. Just admit it and be done.
Coming from the faggot that probably couldn't assemble a simple IKEA product I realize that building a 'do not cross" zone seems to be an insurmountable obstacle. Yeah, the terrain out west is probably too rough to build a solid wall that floods could wash out. That's why I left the caveat that there would be some manned locations on those drainage areas. There are already plenty of Border Patrol and ICE employees to man those areas.
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baseline bum
I would consider a policy that treated illegal immigration as a two-way street not racist. E.g., putting people in prison for hiring illegals, combating the problem not just at the border but also inside the border. But racist Trump doesn't want that, he'd rather hire illegals and save a few bucks. I would love to see a candidate take illegal immigration seriously but building a wall or putting more border patrol at the river isn't a serious proposal as long as it's fine to employ them. And for agriculture jobs that depend on illegals, allow them to legally come in for the growing season to work those farms and pay taxes just like the rest of us who enjoy the opportunities America provides.
I agree with all that, but border walls aren't inherently racist, nor us the desire to have secure borders.
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Trill Clinton
I've heard people complaining about those examples for a while now. Nobody is stopping people from not being pc.
What does that even mean?
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tlongII
What does that even mean?
It means there is no such thing as America being too pc.
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Trill Clinton
It means there is no such thing as America being too pc.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
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:lol most of the ":cry America is too PC :cry" crowd are basically saying "I want to be openly racist/misogynist/islamophobic/xenophobe without being frowned upon"...
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ElNono
:lol most of the ":cry America is too PC :cry" crowd are basically saying "I want to be openly racist/misogynist/islamophobic/xenophobe without being frowned upon"...
:cry I find it offensive when you're offended by me :cry
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ElNono
:lol most of the ":cry America is too PC :cry" crowd are basically saying "I want to be openly racist/misogynist/islamophobic/xenophobe without being frowned upon"...
Bill Maher would probably disagree. So would a lot of left-leaning comedians.
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I'm surprised more people aren't disturbed by what's been going on at universities and the total overreaction to Trump.
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no overreaction to Trump, people, even Repugs, see what an amateur, classless, adolescent, racist, sexist pig piece of shit he is, and how he has dragged the Repug candidate field into the sewer.
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baseline bum
I don't know any conservatives who like Trump. Every single Republican voter I know wants Cruz to get the nomination.
In Illinois, Trump won the conservative vote (36% to Cruz 29%). In Michigan, very conservative (38 Cruz, 35 Trump) and somewhat conservative (23 Cruz, 37 Trump). Trump's doing very well with the conservatives. How else would he have won the entire SE?
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rmt
In Illinois, Trump won the conservative vote (36% to Cruz 29%). In Michigan, very conservative (38 Cruz, 35 Trump) and somewhat conservative (23 Cruz, 37 Trump). Trump's doing very well with the conservatives. How else would he have won the entire SE?
I guess it's because my friends are college educated?
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boutons_deux
no overreaction to Trump, people, even Repugs, see what an amateur, classless, adolescent, racist, sexist pig piece of shit he is, and how he has dragged the Repug candidate field into the sewer.
You libs are such pussies :lol
:cry Trump2016 chalk writing :cry
:cry triggered :cry
:cry micro aggressions :cry
:cry remove immediately :cry
As anyone who has spent five seconds at a college can attest, sidewalks covered in chalk messages are a pretty common fixture of the campus scene. But Emory University students had their delicate worldview shaken by the sudden appearance of one specific chalk message, "Trump 2016," all over campus. The students were so traumatized that they stormed the offices of Emory President James Wagner, demanding answers and feelings-protection. Wagner sent an email to campus in a desperate and wildly unnecessary effort to make everyone feel safe again. Here is the whole thing, with commentary:
Dear Emory Community,
Yesterday I received a visit from 40 to 50 student protesters upset by the unexpected chalkings on campus sidewalks and some buildings yesterday morning, in this case referencing Donald Trump. The students shared with me their concern that these messages were meant to intimidate rather than merely to advocate for a particular candidate, having appeared outside of the context of a Georgia election or campus campaign activity. During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation.
The election in Georgia may be over, but it is very much the case that there is still an ongoing national conversation about who the Republican Party nominee will be, and, ultimately, who will win the White House. Trump is one such contender. It's not remotely clear—nor even plausible—that the message "Trump 2016" was non-political in tone (and it shouldn't matter). Students who voiced "genuine concern and pain in the face of this "perceived intimidation" should have been told their perception is at odds with reality, does not supersede other people's free expression rights, and should be recalibrated if "Trump 2016" causes them actual pain. Sadly, this is not what the president told them.
After meeting with our students, I cannot dismiss their expression of feelings and concern as motivated only by political preference or over-sensitivity. Instead, the students with whom I spoke heard a message, not about political process or candidate choice, but instead about values regarding diversity and respect that clash with Emory’s own.
It should be perfectly acceptable to challenge "values regarding diversity," even if these values are deeply held by both students and the institution itself.
As an academic community, we must value and encourage the expression of ideas, vigorous debate, speech, dissent, and protest. At the same time, our commitment to respect, civility, and inclusion calls us to provide a safe environment that inspires and supports courageous inquiry. It is important that we recognize, listen to, and honor the concerns of these students, as well as faculty and staff who may feel similarly.
If the institution rushes to the emotional defense of thin-skinned students, can it really be said to support "courageous inquiry"?
On the heels of work begun by students last fall and advanced last month through the Racial Justice Retreat and subsequent working groups, Emory is taking a number of significant steps:
• Immediate refinements to certain policy and procedural deficiencies (for example, our bias incident reporting and response process);
• Regular and structured opportunities for difficult dialogues (like the Transforming Community Project of several years ago);
• A formal process to institutionalize identification, review, and addressing of social justice opportunities and issues; and
• Commitment to an annual retreat to renew our efforts.
Reminding students that they can sic the campus grievance bureaucracy on people who offend them further weakens Emory's stated commitment to free speech.
To keep moving forward, we must continue to engage in rich and meaningful dialogue around critical issues facing our nation and our society. I learn from every conversation like the one that took place yesterday and know that further conversations are necessary. More than that, such discussions should lead to action that continues to foster a more just and inclusive Emory.
Sincerely,
Jim Wagner
To recap: Some Emory students are so fragile, and terrified of innocuous political speech they dislike, that they immediately sought comfort from campus authority figures. These figures, of course, were more than willing to coddle them.
It's enough to make you want to grab a piece of chalk and scrawl "Trump 2016" on an Emory sidewalk, huh? No wonder so many non-liberal students are cheering for Trump—not because they like him, but because he represents glorious resistance to the noxious political correctness and censorship that has come to define the modern college experience.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/22/at...g-trump-2016-o
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baseline bum
I guess it's because my friends are college educated?
Pretty sure Trump is leading in every category across the board for registered republicans.
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baseline bum
I guess it's because my friends are college educated?
Well, I'm college educated, very conservative and voted for Trump.
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DarrinS
Bill Maher would probably disagree. So would a lot of left-leaning comedians.
Because comedy is, in part, about transgressions of that sort... but it's not comedians I'm talking about, you know exactly the type I'm talking about...
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TheSanityAnnex
Pretty sure Trump is leading in every category across the board for registered republicans.
Do you have a link to any recent polls showing that? Most political analysis I have seen suggests the opposite. Has that changed since Little Marco dropped out?
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DarrinS
I'm surprised more people aren't disturbed by what's been going on at universities and the total overreaction to Trump.
Define total overreaction to Trump.
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baseline bum
Do you have a link to any recent polls showing that? Most political analysis I have seen suggests the opposite. Has that changed since Little Marco dropped out?
Illinois exit polls: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/il/Rep
Michigan exit polls: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/mi/Rep
Don't think Arizona or Utah had exit polls.
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baseline bum
Do you have a link to any recent polls showing that? Most political analysis I have seen suggests the opposite. Has that changed since Little Marco dropped out?
No link. Heard on the radio on my way home today. It was for registered republicans.
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baseline bum
Define total overreaction to Trump.
See post #78 :lol
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rmt
Thanks. Looks like he eeked out an advantage over Cruz in Illinois and lost to Kasich in Michigan.
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TheSanityAnnex
See post #78 :lol
Yeah, that's an overreaction. College political groups often think everyone else is retarded. But Trump being portrayed as a white nationalist is justified.
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baseline bum
Yeah, that's an overreaction. College political groups often think everyone else is retarded. But Trump being portrayed as a white nationalist is justified.
I'm not even a Trump supporter and I don't see the white nationalist label being legit unless you buy into the media smear (both sides) campaign.
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TheSanityAnnex
I'm not even a Trump supporter and I don't see the white nationalist label being legit unless you buy into the media smear (both sides) campaign.
Just taking him at his words.
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CosmicCowboy
Fuck it. I'll waste my vote and vote for Trump before I vote for Hillary. These "establishment" Republicans are starting to piss me off with all their back room games. Don't they realize that people are pissed off at the very thing they are doing?
The establishment republicans are almost as bad as the establishment democrats. Been that way for years.
They are just now pissing you off?
Have you been asleep at the wheel?
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baseline bum
Just taking him at his words.
If we're taking people by their words you'd be a top 10 racist here easily, possibly top 5 :lol
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clambake
maybe its just me, but i don't think he's racist. i don't think he's sexist.
they certainly want us to think that.
What's wrong wish wanting clear separation of the sexes? I like a woman who can be my equal, but still sexy! These women who want equality, then use children as excuses, or think they have to shed looking like a woman have no appeal to me.
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DarrinS
The birther shit is just stupid, but not necessarily racist. There were McCain birthers and, more recently, Cruz birthers.
The 35 foot border wall seems more like a metaphor to me. Does anyone really believe this is going to happen? That said, having border walls isn't racist. That's like saying that people who lock their doors are racists.
Calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigrants until the vetting process is, itself, vetted, just makes good sense, IMHO.
Race baiters will call anything racist that they can.
What do you expect from pathetic people?
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baseline bum
I'm talking about him wanting every American muslim to register.
Did he say that? Or was he referring to immigrants?
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ElNono
:lol most of the ":cry America is too PC :cry" crowd are basically saying "I want to be openly racist/misogynist/islamophobic/xenophobe without being frowned upon"...
I don't see it that way.
America is too PC. people will find any little reason to find fault in innocent remarks.
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TheSanityAnnex
If we're taking people by their words you'd be a top 10 racist here easily, possibly top 5 :lol
:lol
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Consider Clinton,' former Bush official tells hawkish Republicans
Source: Washington Examiner
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A former Bush administration official said Wednesday that single-issue Republican voters, who plan to select a candidate based on their foreign policy, should consider likely Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton if Donald Trump is her opponent come November.
"If you care about that bucket of social issues, pro-life, what not, you can't make the leap to Hillary Clinton," Nicolle Wallace, who served as President George W. Bush's communications chief and a senior adviser to the McCain-Palin campaign in 2008, told MSNBC in an interview Wednesday morning.
"But if foreign policy is how you vote, if that is your central concern, if counterterrorism is what worries you, how do you not consider Hillary Clinton in November?" she added.
Earlier in the program, Wallace said "the conversations happening in private with Republican consultants is that if you are not a social conservative, there is less and less rationale for hardened opposition to Hillary Clinton."
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Read more: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/co...rticle/2586644
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Wild Cobra
Race baiters
There is Captain Republican playing the PC card. :cry Can't ever talk about racism :cry
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baseline bum
There is Captain Republican playing the PC card. :cry Can't ever talk about racism :cry
:cry reverse racism :cry