life on other planets infinitely impossible or rather, probable?

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If you answer with anything besides "I don't know" you're blowing smoke. Why do you need to answer it? We are ignorant of these things, so if we form an opinion on something we know nothing about, we're basically building dogma around what should be science. Let's wait until we know something and then speculate just a bit further to build predictive models based on scientific method instead of front porch chatter.

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We really don't know what makes other life forms alive that why this is a great topic. No need to wander off into why we are alive, that means nothing here. We are the known, they are the unknown. And being the unknown how can we possibly use our/earthlings/human limitations/laws and rules to explain anything about these unknown species of whatever life is in their relm?

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Why do you refer to these other things as life then, use something else. I have a definition of what makes life.

So do these things in your mind reproduce? Just one of many questions that are possible to try to understand what you or others propose to invent.

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We really don't know what makes other life forms alive thats why this is a great topic.

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Discussing this with you is like discussing it with a freshman firing up some herb. ,

Difference is you're fat and old.

When we say we're looking for life, we're going on the definition we know.

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Why do you refer to these other things as life then, use something else. I have a definition of what makes life.

So do these things in your mind reproduce? Just one of many questions that are possible to try to understand what you or others propose to invent.

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You have a definition of what we know as life. Whatever definition they have might be totally different. They wouldn't need oxygen or blood or any of those things we need to sustain life as we undertand it. An intelligent vapor? Fog like beings?

I have no reason to believe they would reproduce as we understand it.

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An intelligent vapor? Fog like beings?

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Whoa it could be in your bong, dude.

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Discussing this with you is like discussing it with a freshman firing up some herb. ,

Difference is you're fat and old.

When we say we're looking for life, we're going on the definition we know.

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Let's rise above the juvenile and immature Blake, it's distracting.


I agree about how can we talk about alien life forms unless we go with our understanding of life. Which is part of the mystery and what makes this so interesting.

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You have a definition of what we know as life. Whatever definition they have might be totally different. They wouldn't need oxygen or blood or any of those things we need to sustain life as we undertand it. An intelligent vapor? Fog like beings?

I have no reason to believe they would reproduce as we understand it.

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So it does not reproduce.

Can it sense it's environment?

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Whoa it could be in your bong, dude.

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Or it could be the first stage of evolution on some far off planet?

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So it does not reproduce.

Can it sense it's environment?

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Not saying it doesn't reproduce, I am saying it's nothing remotely similiar to what we think of as reproduction.

Absolutely aware of everything in it's world.

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Not saying it doesn't reproduce, I am saying it's nothing remotely similiar to what we think of as reproduction.

Absolutely aware of everything in it's world.

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Does it make more of itself? not asking for a mechanism.

How does it sense it's environment? What does it use?
Can it sense energy (ex. Light waves, IR "heat", microwaves)?
Can it sense chemical structures? (Gases, liquids of different types)?

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Does it make more of itself? not asking for a mechanism.

How does it sense it's environment? What does it use?
Can it sense energy (ex. Light waves, IR "heat", microwaves)?
Can it sense chemical structures? (Gases, liquids of different types)?

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That would depend on what planet/dimension/relm the different "life?" forms are from. Obviously there would be differences.

I however have no problems seeing beings able to muliple when they see fit. Things that need the proper temp to survive. But this could be frigid to scorching for us. Or even unbearable.

Sight, hearing, feel, smell, something different than what we think of. And unique to whatever world we are on.

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Let's rise above the juvenile and immature Blake, it's distracting.

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It's just a matter of time before you get angry and act childish because of your frustration at thinking you're right while everyone else with at least an average IQ tells you you're not.

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That would depend on what planet/dimension/relm the different "life?" forms are from. Obviously there would be differences.

I however have no problems seeing beings able to muliple when they see fit. Things that need the proper temp to survive. But this could be frigid to scorching for us. Or even unbearable.

Sight, hearing, feel, smell, something different than what we think of.

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So what exactly can it sense?

Energy?

You said it was aware of everything, got a mechanism of how its aware? And what it's aware of?

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It's just a matter of time before you get angry and act childish because of your frustration at thinking you're right while everyone else with at least an average IQ tells you you're not.

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There is no right or wrong here, how could there be? We have no answers just questions, this should be obvious.

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There is no right or wrong here, how could there be? We have no answers just questions, this should be obvious.

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I've got answers.

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So what exactly can it sense?

Energy?

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What are you considering....it.....to be? And if you say alien life forms, then we are talking about alot of differences.

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I've got answers.

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The only question we can really answer right now is we don't have a clue what might really be out there far beyond our boundaries.

Maybe this is our bigfoot explanation. We see something odd and different and think of it as an apelike creature. Whose to say that it isn't some sort of insulated suit. Maybe their planet is of a much hotter temperature and it's freezing here on earth. Their suit might be made to keep them warm. It's what could also be slowing them down. We never see them because they have learned to travel through portals.

Find the bigfoot, find your alien.

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What are you considering....it.....to be? And if you say alien life forms, then we are talking about alot of differences.

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You said it was aware of everything, please elaborate.
Im the one with the difficulty of imagining world's without energy and or atoms, because this is the basis of everything I attempt to understand. These are my models to work with. These are the basics. I don't know of anything outside of this. You create. This is your baby. So help me out.

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Maybe this is our bigfoot explanation. We see something odd and different and think of it as an apelike creature. Whose to say that it isn't some sort of insulated suit. Maybe their planet is of a much hotter temperature and it's freezing here on earth. Their suit might be made to keep them warm. It's what could also be slowing them down. We never see them because they have learned to travel through portals.

Find the bigfoot, find your alien.

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Whats a portal?

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Maybe this is our bigfoot explanation. We see something odd and different and think of it as an apelike creature. Whose to say that it isn't some sort of insulated suit. Maybe their planet is of a much hotter temperature and it's freezing here on earth. Their suit might be made to keep them warm. It's what could also be slowing them down. We never see them because they have learned to travel through portals.

Find the bigfoot, find your alien.

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Bigfoot being those who crash landed here eons ago, hmmmm?

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Whats a portal?

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bend over, I'll fucking show you a portal

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Maybe this is our bigfoot explanation. We see something odd and different and think of it as an apelike creature. Whose to say that it isn't some sort of insulated suit. Maybe their planet is of a much hotter temperature and it's freezing here on earth. Their suit might be made to keep them warm. It's what could also be slowing them down. We never see them because they have learned to travel through portals.

Find the bigfoot, find your alien.

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I was thinking this and then realized it didn't make a lick of sense. Most likely, Bigfoot is a hologram or just simple image projection. Probably just by some people.

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bend over, I'll fucking show you a portal

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This would require you bending over Im thinkin .

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This would require you bending over Im thinkin .

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I know. But the joke doesn't work that way.

Bend me over, I'll show you a fucking portal.

hahaha....maybe it does work after all.

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Whats a portal?

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A doorway. A way for them to travel. Maybe this whole time we are looking for flying saucers and, instead, they just use portals. Kind of like teleportation.

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You said it was aware of everything, please elaborate.
Im the one with the difficulty of imagining world's without energy and or atoms, because this is the basis of everything I attempt to understand. These are my models to work with. These are the basics. I don't know of anything outside of this. You create. This is your baby. So help me out.

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Why would they need "our" atoms and "our" energy when everything else is totally different? In their world things could come from something else, which is why they are so different. They aren't under out same restrictions and principles.

And, we aren't suppose to be able to understand the unknown.

My tune is when it comes to UFO/aliens/little grey/green men, the first thing we doi is what yoiu are doing, trying to explain/understand things using our law/rules/principles. How can that be done when it's pretty obvious they will be totally different from us?

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I know. But the joke doesn't work that way.

Bend me over, I'll show you a fucking portal.

hahaha....maybe it does work after all.

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I wish to pass on observing portals then in either joke.

Interesting topic, now that we see the arrival of those who don't share the interest. It's time to move on.

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A doorway. A way for them to travel. Maybe this whole time we are looking for flying saucers and, instead, they just use portals. Kind of like teleportation.

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So it's a way to start at one place in the universe and end up in a completely different location without having to take into account travel and such details as not being able to travel faster than the speed of light. And so how are these portals connected?

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So it's a way to start at one place in the universe and end up in a completely different location without having to take into account travel and such details as not being able to travel faster than the speed of light. And so how are these portals connected?

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the same way any entrance and exit are connected. If you walk out a movie exit, you're going from one place to another. There really isn't anything connecting the two spaces. One second, you're inside, the next, you're outside.

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Why would they need "our" atoms and "our" energy when everything else is totally different? In their world things could come from something else, which is why they are so different. They aren't under out same restrictions and principles.

And, we aren't suppose to be able to understand the unknown.

My tune is when it comes to UFO/aliens/little grey/green men, the first thing we doi is what yoiu are doing, trying to explain/understand things using our law/rules/principles. How can that be done when it's pretty obvious they will be totally different from us?

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So we are basically going nowhere if we can't begin to describe the very basics of your unknown except it's different.

Can we have a hint as to how it's different? A comparison of some sort. This is like running into a large barrier if the inventors of these completely different worlds can't even describe them.

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the same way any entrance and exit are connected. If you walk out a movie exit, you're going from one place to another. There really isn't anything connecting the two spaces. One second, you're inside, the next, you're outside.

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So what exactly the difference from being inside and outside?

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So what exactly the difference from being inside and outside?

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you're in the movie theater and then you're in the parking lot

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you're in the movie theater and then you're in the parking lot

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As it pertains to wookies or whatever I Hustle hairy thing was?
In going from the movie theatre to the parking lot we just walled off the space that was already present when we built the theatre.

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As it pertains to wookies or whatever I Hustle hairy thing was?
In going from the movie theatre to the parking lot we just walled off the space that was already present when we built the theatre.

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I don't know how IHustle used it. Be careful when reading his posts. They are mostly jibberish. He once told me he was working on a basketball rim that had magnets and would draw the ball in to the hoop.

As you see it, it's impossible. For someone who has learned to bend the rules, it might not be that difficult. It might be as easy as "going from inside to outside". It could be as easy as a type of factory where the portals are held. When one is needed they just call it down and go where they need to go. For all we know, the portals can be powered by something intangible.

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Well when you take into consideration nobody can prove you wrong why not take a stab at it. And your guess is as good as anyones elses, which is a rarity. Few things find everyone on the same level of ignorance.

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Sure, if you just feel like you need to say something on the matter, knock yourself out.

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I see alien beings that resemble a large snake, a snake with intelligence. Tall and lean, with large eyes and elongated limbs. Very slow in movement but precise and calculated in those movements. They find us amusing in appearance and are totally baffled at our warlike attitudes and aggresive behavior. Curious about why we are no different when it comes to violence than what we were a 1000 years ago when they first discovered us. In their world violence towards a fellow Amonian is unheard of. Only in the swamps and jungles on Zamboria and Tauras where the wild life dwell do they see something similiar to an earthling.

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So they pronounce actual words and use the human phonetic alphabet. Way to think outside the box.

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As you see it, it's impossible. For someone who has learned to bend the rules, it might not be that difficult. It might be as easy as "going from inside to outside". It could be as easy as a type of factory where the portals are held. When one is needed they just call it down and go where they need to go. For all we know, the portals can be powered by something intangible.

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The creativity is indeed astounding.
Its almost like I wished I never learned anything, not even language, and had never been around other humans.
Cleansing myself of all perceived realities and human endeavor to understand, I too might have come up with universes in the dirt under my fingernails. One of the greatest thinkers of all time, Albert Einstein, of course never thought about problems with clocks in proposing special relativity. It just came to him from a clean slate.

Christ...

powering intangible portals, wow... They need to be powered, you just can't walk through an undercharged intangible portal... This would make all positive charges turn negative and atoms would blow apart. Pieces of atoms could end up traveling so slowly they would chew on space-time and create an envelope of plasma approaching infinite temperatures.
We would no longer call them atoms, they would basically be antispace.

Im getting the hang of it I think. No thinking, antithetical anti thinking. Letting loose here, be careful, you might be astounded and drown in drivel.

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Whats a portal?

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You aim the orange one where you wanna go in and the blue one where you wanna come out. Or sometimes you just dick around.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/9a5e8d10...9eyuo1_500.gif

Do other planets have Trader Joes?

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We really don't know what makes other life forms alive thats why this is a great topic. No need to wander off into why we are alive, that means nothing here. We are the known, they are the unknown. And being the unknown how can we possibly use our/earthlings/human limitations/laws and rules to explain anything about these unknown species of whatever life is in their [realm]?

Imagine ancient man the first time he encountered a lake/river/ocean. Obviously nothing could live there.

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The laws of physics are, as far as we can tell, universal.

That will dictate a great deal.

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You aim the orange one where you wanna go in and the blue one where you wanna come out. Or sometimes you just dick around.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/9a5e8d10...9eyuo1_500.gif

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One of the best games ever made, IMO.

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One of the best games ever made, IMO.

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x2. I hope they come out with Portal 3.

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The creativity is indeed astounding.
Its almost like I wished I never learned anything, not even language, and had never been around other humans.
Cleansing myself of all perceived realities and human endeavor to understand, I too might have come up with universes in the dirt under my fingernails. One of the greatest thinkers of all time, Albert Einstein, of course never thought about problems with clocks in proposing special relativity. It just came to him from a clean slate.

Christ...

powering intangible portals, wow... They need to be powered, you just can't walk through an undercharged intangible portal... This would make all positive charges turn negative and atoms would blow apart. Pieces of atoms could end up traveling so slowly they would chew on space-time and create an envelope of plasma approaching infinite temperatures.
We would no longer call them atoms, they would basically be antispace.

Im getting the hang of it I think. No thinking, antithetical anti thinking. Letting loose here, be careful, you might be astounded and drown in drivel.

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That's what I'm saying though. You're thinking of travel, time, atoms etc. has a ceiling. What I am talking about is beings that have seen that ceiling and just completely crashed through it.

It's like all these people that have been abducted. They are usually brought back. At least the ones we hear about. I'm thinking that these other beings bring them because they don't understand us and are more than likely scared of us in a way. Almost like, because of disease and pollutants, we could contaminate them.

You laugh because I mentioned Bigfoot. They could be a variety of types. For all I know there could be a Cyclops or a half humanoid half spider type or maybe they can camouflage themselves so that they appear invisible. We have no idea.

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It's like all these people that have been abducted. They are usually brought back. At least the ones we hear about. I'm thinking that these other beings bring them because they don't understand us and are more than likely scared of us in a way. Almost like, because of disease and pollutants, we could contaminate them.

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We don't really have any good evidence that these people were abducted.

First hand experience counts little toward that, if unsupported by corroborating lines of evidence.

There are people that claim to exist on nothing but air. Should we believe that too?

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We don't really have any good evidence that these people were abducted.

First hand experience counts little toward that, if unsupported by corroborating lines of evidence.

There are people that claim to exist on nothing but air. Should we believe that too?

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Just because you don't believe it to be true, doesn't mean that it is.
These portals would explain a lot. Heck I bet we've benefited from them and vice versa. If we were to stumble across one of their portals I bet we would see a lot of similarities. They probably have "jobs", restaurant type of places, vehicles to get around in, etc.

We don't have evidence for those that came back. Maybe some just styed. There are TONS of unexplained disappearances.

I know you don't believe it but that doesn't make it not so. They could be coming back to our dimension, planet or whatever just to refuel. Maybe we have something here that they need to power their world. Like methane, water, fear, a child's laughter. Who knows?!

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We don't really have any good evidence that these people were abducted.

First hand experience counts little toward that, if unsupported by corroborating lines of evidence.

There are people that claim to exist on nothing but air. Should we believe that too?

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that's different. I sort of understand what IHustle is getting at. And there have been abductions. The most credible account I heard was about this little girl that was abducted at night and her description of how she was moved sounded like the portal idea. And she came back through the same thing.

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that's different. I sort of understand what IHustle is getting at. And there have been abductions. The most credible account I heard was about this little girl that was abducted at night and her description of how she was moved sounded like the portal idea. And she came back through the same thing.

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Exactly! It's been documented! The problem was, she was too young to really explain the things she saw. From her accounts, one of the beings actually looked after her while she was there.

It sounds crazy but I don't see how it can just be dismissed because it doesn't jive with time and space as we know it. I don't think we are the be all end all.

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Exactly! It's been documented! The problem was, she was too young to really explain the things she saw. From her accounts, one of the beings actually looked after her while she was there.

It sounds crazy but I don't see how it can just be dismissed because it doesn't jive with time and space as we know it. I don't think we are the be all end all.

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I think the fact that she was young is what makes this the most compelling account. She wasn't motivated by money or trying to get press. And little kids are less likely to mentally block out the event as an adult might. One of the more chilling parts of her account was that this parallel world she went to somehow fed on human emotion or energy. Not in her words but that's what some of the podcast guys have interpreted. And more and more it seems like there is some link between aliens and the paranormal.

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That's what I'm saying though. You're thinking of travel, time, atoms etc. has a ceiling. What I am talking about is beings that have seen that ceiling and just completely crashed through it.

It's like all these people that have been abducted. They are usually brought back. At least the ones we hear about. I'm thinking that these other beings bring them because they don't understand us and are more than likely scared of us in a way. Almost like, because of disease and pollutants, we could contaminate them.

You laugh because I mentioned Bigfoot. They could be a variety of types. For all I know there could be a Cyclops or a half humanoid half spider type or maybe they can camouflage themselves so that they appear invisible. We have no idea.

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You are calling them beings.

Why?

You just made a ceiling.

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You are calling them beings.

Why?

You just made a ceiling.

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That's because I have no other words to describe them. You can feel how you want but it is what it is. From what I have read and what I have heard, it's only a matter of time before we make contact. There seem to be two factions. One is intent on taking what they can from us and the other is a more understanding group.

After the encounter with these beings, will new ice cream flavors emerge?

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After the encounter with these beings, will new ice cream flavors emerge?

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its called tentacle porn, the japs already know something we dont know

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That's because I have no other words to describe them. You can feel how you want but it is what it is. From what I have read and what I have heard, it's only a matter of time before we make contact. There seem to be two factions. One is intent on taking what they can from us and the other is a more understanding group.

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Why do they even care about us?

This seems to be a very human way of dealing with us. Get creative, you have sullied your reputation with the last few posts.

This evolved into one of silliest threads I can remember.

We got people on here thinking they are so flexible and unique in their thinking presenting some of the most mundane, colloquial ideas while absolutely astounding themselves. This is entertaining. Please don't stop.

Alien dreams, hmmmm?

If the "life?" we think we are encountering with the overwelming amount of UFO sightings we have experienced are any indication of what we are really up against then "they" can't be all that different than humans. They can't fly*** themselves, aren't overly large, and do have sight and can survive in our atmosphere (could have some sort of breathing device). So do they look at success and failure like we do, do they celebrate holidays, music? Do they elect their leaders?

Then there's always a chance they do nothing even remotely similiar to what humans do. And are as different from us as it can possibly get. It does appear they aren't aggressive, at least the ones with the technology to travel the distance they must be traveling to get here and back. Of course there could be a world where they are barbaric and vicious, but lack the intellect to do much more than slay and eat.

*** remote control? Sending out robot craft to see what our reaction is? Roswell a plot to watch how we act to those from other places. While the little beings found there were legit they were just crash dummies, planted to look like what we expect to see.

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its called tentacle porn, the japs already know something we dont know

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Sick.
No mention of ice cream either.

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Why do they even care about us?

This seems to be a very human way of dealing with us. Get creative, you have sullied your reputation with the last few posts.

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You have sullied your reputation for going back and forth with me. I was just describing Monsters Inc. :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...inc-xlarge.jpg

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You have sullied your reputation for going back and forth with me. I was just describing Monsters Inc. :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...inc-xlarge.jpg

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Exactly.

Dead ended. You basically rely on pictures because the ideas won't carry the day.

And you could not find words to describe your possibilities.
Of course you could not.

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Alien dreams, hmmmm?

If the "life?" we think we are encountering with the overwelming amount of UFO sightings we have experienced are any indication of what we are really up against then "they" can't be all that different than humans. They can't fly*** themselves, aren't overly large, and do have sight and can survive in our atmosphere (could have some sort of breathing device). So do they look at success and failure like we do, do they celebrate holidays, music? Do they elect their leaders?

Then there's always a chance they do nothing even remotely similiar to what humans do. And are as different from us as it can possibly get. It does appear they aren't aggressive, at least the ones with the technology to travel the distance they must be traveling to get here and back. Of course there could be a world where they are barbaric and vicious, but lack the intellect to do much more than slay and eat.

*** remote control? Sending out robot craft to see what our reaction is? Roswell a plot to watch how we act to those from other places. While the little beings found there were legit they were just crash dummies, planted to look like what we expect to see.

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I have often wondered if relatives will be able to look up our musings after we are dead and gone and feel shamed.

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Exactly.

Dead ended. You basically rely on pictures because the ideas won't carry the day.

And you could not find words to describe your possibilities.
Of course you could not.

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Wait, did you just flip the script? Are you messing with me now? I just admitted that everything I said was a joke and that I was just describing a kids movie. Are YOU now living rent free?

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Wait, did you just flip the script? Are you messing with me now? I just admitted that everything I said was a joke and that I was just describing a kids movie. Are YOU now living rent free?

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Oh go that route.
Yeah of course your description with words had to be a kids movie.
How could I have missed it?

Of course you were always just joking. It was so obvious. But it wasn't.
Please continue.

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Oh go that route.
Yeah of course your description with words had to be a kids movie.
How could I have missed it?

Of course you were always just joking. It was so obvious. But it wasn't.
Please continue.

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GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!

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I have often wondered if relatives will be able to look up our musings after we are dead and gone and feel shamed.

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Then you do have an imagination.

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I have often wondered if relatives will be able to look up our musings after we are dead and gone and feel shamed.

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Will they look at our porn and be disgusted or will they think it's lame? Like the black and white stuff they used to have.

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Will they look at our porn and be disgusted or will they think it's lame? Like the black and white stuff they used to have.

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It'll be like a national geographic special to them

If "they?" were here on earth long ago why did they leave and go into hiding when they come back to visit? Are they afraid of us?

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If "they?" were here on earth long ago why did they leave and go into hiding when they come back to visit? Are they afraid of us?

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If you're doing an experiment on some animals and want to observe them, you don't just pop into the jungle and say, "hi". You let the experiment/manipulation run its course.

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If you're doing an experiment on some animals and want to observe them, you don't just pop into the jungle and say, "hi". You let the experiment/manipulation run its course.

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Which takes us back to time and how it could be totally different out there.

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This evolved into one of silliest threads I can remember.

We got people on here thinking they are so flexible and unique in their thinking presenting some of the most mundane, colloquial ideas while absolutely astounding themselves. This is entertaining. Please don't stop.

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Thank you internets. :D

My remark earlier regarding bilateral symmetry was driven by an article regarding fractals and earths organic patterns. I would be hard pressed to find the article years after reading it.


That said, I wouldn't care to speculate that there are any gaurantees, given how small our sample size is, relative to the universe. I would guess that any life forms would be very different.

Even speculating what forms naturally would occur is silly, IMO, because a species capable of bridging interstellar distances is unlikely to be restricted by their original natural form. They could look like anything they want to, barring any deep cultural disposition to original forms.

We would likely be of marginal interest to such beings, given our very limited energy/technology base. Probably about as interesting as the proverbial anthill.

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Which takes us back to time and how it could be totally different out there.

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Time is different out there. There is no such thing as simultaneity when large distances are considered.

The constant is the speed of light. Time is not a constant, neither is space. Have you heard of Einstein?
Have you heard of the twin thought experiment. Do you know we have set atomic clocks so they are synchronized and then moved one of them away quickly and then back to its synchronized partner and the clock that has traveled is behind? Ie it's younger?

Hello McFly... Avante has sort of found Einstein.
I think the above is an apt movie quote in this case.

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Thank you internets. :D

My remark earlier regarding bilateral symmetry was driven by an article regarding fractals and earths organic patterns. I would be hard pressed to find the article years after reading it.


That said, I wouldn't care to speculate that there are any gaurantees, given how small our sample size is, relative to the universe. I would guess that any life forms would be very different.

Even speculating what forms naturally would occur is silly, IMO, because a species capable of bridging interstellar distances is unlikely to be restricted by their original natural form. They could look like anything they want to, barring any deep cultural disposition to original forms.

We would likely be of marginal interest to such beings, given our very limited energy/technology base. Probably about as interesting as the proverbial anthill.

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Neither would I.

But based on the experiment of life already run for us I'm thinking its very difficult to make eukaryotic cells. (2 billion years to make eukaryotic cells in a universe~13 billion years old?, damn) And if you don't make eukaryotic you won't end up with bilateral. And if you don't end up bilateral you will never end up with a nervous system that is complex... And if you don't end up with complex nervous systems you are not going to get creatures strange enough to contemplate their own existence and or make up amusing stories about little green men in New Mexico.

I find this interesting. But it could be entirely wrong. For now, I'm running with the above and enjoying the perceived thinking out side box in which the interest of the limitations of said box completely escape some. I mean if one has no idea how big the box is how do think outside of it?

I bet some have the answers without giving the box a second thought.

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Time is different out there. There is no such thing as simultaneity when large distances are considered.

The constant is the speed of light. Time is not a constant, neither is space. Have you heard of Einstein?
Have you heard of the twin thought experiment. Do you know we have set atomic clocks so they are synchronized and then moved one of them away quickly and then back to its synchronized partner and the clock that has traveled is behind? Ie it's younger?

Hello McFly... Avante has sort of found Einstein.
I think the above is an apt movie quote in this case.

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Did you miss the word...might? And you must stop with this ridiculous ...we. Stop thinking the answers have been found when it's real obvious they haven't been.

Things ..might....be completely different way out there and yes one of those....might...be time. Stop being so simple and limited, this is not simple or limited.

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Did you miss the word...might? And you must stop with this ridiculous ...we. Stop thinking the answers have been found when it's real obvious they haven't been.

Things ..might....be completely different way out there and yes one of those....might...be time. Stop being so simple and limited, this is not simple or limited.

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Why don't you read what others, with far more interest about the idea of time than you, have to say about the subject?

If someone just walked into your room and stated that the Blues were created from the foundations of new wave and punk rock would you object? You would not question theirTIMING of events?

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Why don't you read what others, with far more interest about the idea of time than you, have to say about the subject?

If someone just walked into your room and stated that the Blues were created from the foundations of new wave and punk rock would you object? You would not question theirTIMING of events?

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I don't care what anyone says about time, they live here not out there.

Look at what we have today compared to 1000 years ago. Where was science then compared to today? Now where will things be 1000 years from now. Will there be new discovers, if not then why not stop searching? We don't know how things might be like out in the vastness of space.

Think how puny we are when looking at the big picture but we know how it all works :rolleyes Did we know how it all worked 1000 years ago?

Speaking of Einstein, he did say this....

1. Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

Speaking of spirits....


We live in a physical world with its four known space-time dimensions of length, width, height (or depth) and time. The God of the Bible, however, dwells in a different dimension—the spirit realm—beyond the natural perception of our physical senses. It’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of Him not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world (Isaiah 57:15 Isaiah 57:15For thus said the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
American King James Version×). He is spirit (John 4:24 John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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I get this isn't about the existence of God, but we are talking about things that like God we don't know the answers. No God ever perceived time like us humans do, so just maybe............................................. ..

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I don't care what anyone says about time, they live here not out there.

Look at what we have today compared to 1000 years ago. Where was science then compared to today? Now where will things be 1000 years from now. Wil there be new discovers, if not then why not stop searching? We don't know how things might be like out in the vastness of space.

Think how puny we are when looking at the big picture but we know how it all works :rolleyes Did we know how it all worked 1000 years ago?

Speaking of Einstein, he did say this....

1. Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

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That's exactly the point, out there. So you don't care what anyone says yet you quote Einstein. But don't give a damn about how his theories are incredibly and increasingly PREDICTIVE. So by observing modeling and experimenting, actual finding something predictive does not impress you at all?
What does the idea that we will learn to change our ideas about the way we perceive phenomenon change have to do with anything? This is how we appear to work, we will change our ideas after actually attempting to observe, model, and experiment. You can't handle this and think it's all useless?

Yes Einstein said this. Because when he saw that phenomenon could be fit to math he got very excited and tried to unify things using his ideas and it did not work.

He also said God does not play dice.

What in your opinion was he referring to?

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That's exactly the point, out there. So you don't care what anyone says yet you quote Einstein. But don't give a damn about how his theories are incredibly and increasingly PREDICTIVE. So by observing modeling and experimenting, actual finding something predictive does not impress you at all?
What does the idea that we will learn to change our ideas about the way we perceive phenomenon change have to do with anything? This is how we appear to work, we will change our ideas after actually attempting to observe, model, and experiment. You can't handle this and think it's all useless?

Yes Einstein said this. Because when he saw that phenomenon could be fit to math he got very excited and tried to unify things using his ideas and it did not work.

He also said God does not play dice.

What in your opinion was he referring to?

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Isn't it....God does not play dice with the Universe? But I've never delved into that so..? I would suppose it's something about being a non gambler.

My thing is how can we really think mere man has the answers to to the vastness of something we can't even fathom the size of? There could be places out there so far off what we know it's ridiculous. Their day is a month by our standards, the beings? drink but don't eat and they never age.....and on and on...

This idea that we have found the answers to how things are out there is silly. I am talking about other galaxies.

Barsoom in the Tureaud galaxy is ruled by a warrior tribe called the Venuatians. They move about on gliders and require no sleep as we know it. They evolved from what we think of as seaweed........Einstein?

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Isn't it....God does not play dice with the Universe? But I've never delved into that so..? I would suppose it's something about being a non gambler.

My thing is how can we really think mere man has the answers to to the vastness of something we can't even fathom the size of? There could be places out there so far off what we know it's ridiculous. Their day is a month by our standards, the beings? drink but don't eat and they never age.....and on and on...

This idea that we have found the answers to how things are out there is silly. I am talking about other galaxies.

Barsoom in the Tureaud galaxy is ruled by a warrior tribe called the Venuatians. They move about on gliders and require no sleep as we know it. They evolved from what we think of as seaweed........Einstein?

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First of all we know A decent amount about other galaxies. They are observable. Do you mean other universes?

Einstein did not like the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics so he was in a way dissatisfied that the stuff actually worked in predicting behavior of nature on the level of the tiny. Which seems not to interest you. you like "way out there", "vastness"... what about the other way round? How about reducing things to the tiniest? Why no interest? Where is the creativity? Why don't you bother to think about this level?

We don't have all the answers and never will IMO.

But that does not mean we just make shit up while inebriated.
Or pontificate upon topics that we have not even bothered to read what others, who have spent their lifetime thinking about, have had to say about it. I guess I should just go into a session with the greatest guitarists gathered and tell them how they have got it all wrong having never even picked up an instrument. You feel comfy with this.

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Einstein did not like the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics so he was in a way dissatisfied that the stuff actually worked in predicting behavior of nature on the level of the tiny. Which seems not to interest you. you like "way out there", "vastness"... what about the other way round? How about reducing things to the tiniest? Why no interest? Where is the creativity? Why don't you bother to think about this level?

We don't have all the answers and never will IMO.

But that does not mean we just make shit up while inebriated.
Or pontificate upon topics that we have not even bothered to read what others, who have spent their lifetime thinking about, have had to say about it. I guess I should just go into a session with the greatest guitarists gathered and tell them how they have got it all wrong having never even picked up an instrument. You feel comfy with this.

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Now that's interesting....the tiniest....hmmm? That has never crossed my mind, but now that it has, what do I do with it?

I do play the harmonica and can manage some slide guitar:hat

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...enjoying the perceived thinking "outside the box" in which the interest of the limitations of said box completely escape some. I mean if one has no idea how big the box is how do think outside of it?

I bet some on this board take their big step without giving the box a second thought.

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Not sure we are talking about the same box. You are going off into things that have little to do with the topic.

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Now that's interesting....the tiniest....hmmm? That has never crossed my mind, but now that it has, what do I do with iT?

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Maybe try reading about it as others have spent their lifetime thinking about something that has not crossed your mind?

Nahhh, just make something up... Just walk into the middle of the movie.

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Not sure we are talking about the same box. You are going off into things that have little to do with the topic.

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Understanding the box is understanding what/ how we can sense the world around us, how we filter and process that information, and how we react and use what we have already altered.
How we think.
You imagine that might be important?
Trying to understand ourselves?
Before we just start making shit up.

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Maybe try reading about it as others have spent their lifetime thinking about something that has not crossed your mind?

Nahhh, just make something up... Just walk into the middle of the movie.

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Why are you so aggressive about things, relax, ok?

Since you can't be cool, I'll wrap this up with you. I was looking for some real talk not internet silliness because you can.

See ya!

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Why are you so aggressive about things, relax, ok?

Since you can't be cool, I'll wrap this up with you. I was looking for some real talk not internet silliness because you can.

See ya!

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Have you ever thought that what you perceive about the mood of someone typing on basketball message board might be completely wrong?

Sorry. I must apologize. You are not interested.
I was under the impression that you liked to read about and learn everything you could.


But that was only track.

Ok, moving on.

When "they" were here long ago, as some think, imagine just how far superior they must be today than back then. Did they find us so inferior they lost interest? Those UFO's we see today are others who are just now figuring us out.

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We live in a physical world with its four known space-time dimensions of length, width, height (or depth) and time. The God of the Bible, however, dwells in a different dimension—the spirit realm—beyond the natural perception of our physical senses. It’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of Him not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world

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Soooo how do you know all this? Seems like a pretty big claim.

BTW, there are more than four dimensions.

Where is the spirit realm? Can we go there?

If we can't, why not?

How do we differentiate your bullshit claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bullshit claims?

they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

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Soooo how do you know all this? Seems like a pretty big claim.

BTW, there are more than four dimensions.

Where is the spirit realm? Can we go there?

If we can't, why not?

How do we differentiate your bullshit claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bullshit claims?

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That was a quote showing another way to go with this. In a room of 50 people we will have 40 different opinions. Sure a few agreeing.

How do we differentiate your bullshit claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bullshit claims?

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That was a quote showing another way to go with this. In a room of 50 people we will have 40 different opinions. Sure a few agreeing.

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That is generally why I treat such claims as bullshit. Everybody always claims to have THE right opinion about their unfalsifiable, unscientific claims.

Science is the only way we really have to sort through what is true or not in any meaningful way.

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they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

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How do we differentiate your bullshit claim about a "spirit realm" from all the other bullshit claims?



That is generally why I treat such claims as bullshit. Everybody always claims to have THE right opinion about their unfalsifiable, unscientific claims.

Science is the only way we really have to sort through what is true or not in any meaningful way.

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Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong. We don't know what's really out there so we guess and speculate. And it's fun, do you ever have any fun, you come off as a robot. You ever smile?

We are like a pebble on a beach thinking we have the answers to all those other pebbles, ha~~~ We can only use the info we have available to us right now. And as we have learned over the years we never have it all. There are things we will learn in the future as we always have. Who thinks things will be the same 100 from now when it comes to anything?

The size of the Universe alone tells us just how puny we are. But we know it all, no we don't and never will. So for anyone to play, well Einstein said, hell the guy couldn't even figure out his family life.

We have no idea what's really going on out there when it comes to time, distance, alien beings etc and it should be obvious. All we know is what our limitations are, and how many times have those changed?

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Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong.

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Therefore, your opinion is as good as scientific research.

You're so stupid.

To those out there.

I apologize for Blake, I simply can't deal with his stupidity and need to be a pest any longer, so I have decided to ignore him. So expect to see him tagging along behind me everywhere I go now. Sorry gang.

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Don't do that, you know as well as we all do how many times science has been wrong. We don't know what's really out there so we guess and speculate. And it's fun, do you ever have any fun, you come off as a robot. You ever smile?

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Science has been wrong about things yes.

The part that makes it useful is the self-correcting mechanism.

That has made it a lot more right about shit than religion ever has been. The earth goes around the sun these days, not vice versa, and it took science clobbering religion over the head to get religion to piss off into a deserved corner with a dunce cap, so that it would STFU about trying to describe the universe.

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Science has been wrong about things yes.

The part that makes it useful is the self-correcting mechanism.

That has made it a lot more right about shit than religion ever has been. The earth goes around the sun these days, not vice versa, and it took science clobbering religion over the head to get religion to piss off into a deserved corner with a dunce cap, so that it would STFU about trying to describe the universe.

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Religion is just another option, it's no more certain of anything than science is. I'm not religious I assumed you knew that. I just point out how others do see things differently..

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Religion is just another option, it's no more certain of anything than science is.

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Not to hear people like RD and Phenomanul talk. They KNOW for 100% certain all sorts of things, or claim they do.

Science is far superior in getting shit right than religion. Unless you still think the sun goes around a flat earth?

:lol

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they say the universe is like a sphere, like how the early historians thought the earth was flat

now why dont they shoot a light left and see if it comes back to the other side?

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No "they" don't. Not the science theys...

Yes. Go suggest your experiment. Off to the left.

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Not to hear people like RD and Phenomanul talk. They KNOW for 100% certain all sorts of things, or claim they do.

Science is far superior in getting shit right than religion. Unless you still think the sun goes around a flat earth?

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I know a few people who would take you to school drop you off then pick you up and bring you home in a debate about religion vs science....trust me. Just think you vs me talking 1928 Alabama blues.

Science doesn't have all the answers if they did then they could stop being scientists, right?