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Diaw, is 33 was a rookie at 22, Kyle's current age and was anything but a factor his first couple if years and didn't develop aggressiveness until much later in his career and had some very low 3 pt shooting year and very much lAcking aggressiveness launching a 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Jessys! The guy is 22, Boris is much older, was a pro player b4 the NBA, competes internationally. We are comparing a nascent baby career to a vet.
Very illuminating post. Agree with you. :tu. Pop is taking his time and I trust him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
This season wasn't about his development. He stated that in the preseason media day. He also said that he was not at the point in his development where the team needs him to be. He said that himself. Along the way bc so many blowouts he has had time to develop but it's obvious right now he's filling holes in the roster and trying to get better at the entirety of his game. He has a versatile game and gives you a bit of everything. He's not a roleplayer with a limited role, bc of that Pop has decided like you say to develop the whole all at once.
Pop himself said to start the season he was going to play a variety of positions through the season. It's possible eventually he will be a kind of guy that will get you mismatches with whatever lineup bc you can put him in several spots and he will be functional and create a mismatch for himself or a teammate. But we were not going to play that way this season while he still has to learn to defend all those other positions, and he ha to get better, etc. This one is not the season where he puts it all together. Just a lot of cliff jumping here over one game that was a tough matchup for him. He played under control and had some nice sequences too. There were by far worse players last night and they are not 22 with a developing game.
Kyle will be fine, and will need to contribute to ring. He's taking a long time though. He's soft. Martin is better
Kyle is another example of what happens when a player gets put into a situation where he's over his head. Nothing more or less.
Malik Rose was good as an energy guy off the bench. He got thrown in as a starter, and he was over his head. Dejuan Blair, pretty much the same. Kyle Anderson vs. Kevin Durant? That only comes out one way. It's supposed to come out one way. Anderson is long, for a guard, but he's not a forward.
Sometimes guys get put in over their heads, and it breaks them. Sometimes it helps them improve their game. Anderson's ceiling is probably as a solid rotation player. Hopefully he continues to improve and is able to play at that level on a consistent basis. I don't think he could ever belong on the floor with Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka. That's where he was last night. He looked just like you should expect him to look, in that situation.
What you do for each position is different. Its not for him. He's a wing or a stretch 4. He only plays center when the other center is a wing or stretch 4. They drafted him for his ability to play multiple positions, which he was able to do in college. He isn't playing lamarcus Aldridge or Duncan's spot, he is playing against small bigs who shoot. That's what a stretch 4 does. That's what he's supposed to do, but can't at the moment. The talk about him learning a new position is ridiculous, as he played as a point forward. He could start with the ball, but he ended up in the same area as he is now, not off the top of the 3 pT line.I actually watched his games in college, not his highlight reels. That's why he skips his 3 pT shot so much, He runs to his comfort area because he isn't confident in his shot. Did the same thing in college when he was open. It's just a low IQ basketball move he does to make up for his lack of ability. He has had 2 years to improve his play and shot. He's had the best shooting Coach in the world training him. He's had the best coaching staff in the NBA teaching him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Ignorance is the lack of knowledge on a subject. Every team in the draft skipped on him but the spurs. They didn't draft him for his passing and playmaking but for what those could potentially be. Not what they were.How many minutes did he get last playoffs? He's a project, they don't need him. Get your facts right.
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Originally Posted by Mnky
OMG. :wow
Don't slay the poor poster. :lmao
He's not playing 4 out like Bonner is. To take advantage of his passing and midrange game they play him in horns and other sets, making high low passes, passes out of the post, dribble hand offs, he posts up occasionally, he's not just a spot up shooter. He's obviously got to improve the 3, but that is not all he is or will be. He's actually a better midrange shooter. He's got s a developing game beyond spotting up. Obviously his post up game is not money but he's able to get his book shots up etc. You are not breeding a Bonner clone. He's more like Diaw than Bonner and not even that obviously, but the point is he's not a unimensional shooter. Rather he has to shoot the 3 more aggressively than he's currently doing with current Spurs, and in the modern NBA it's a requirement. I agree it limits his game, etc. But he's not a strict stretch 4. That might be Bertans although without seeing him play at least a SL game, I am not sure what Bertans is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
SG and SF have different sets as well. When he's subbed for Kawhi they run some side PnR with him, when he's the SG he's the one doing the side PNR with the big. Obviously who you guard is entirely different on your defensive responsibilities too.
Edit you obviously don't like him and that is fine. I am not going to convince you so I am happy to let it be, but you stating he does the same no matter what position he plays is either ignorance, stupidity or just plain hate/trolling TBH. He's been a 1 and 5 in some garbage time lineups too. I didn't even bring those up bc was that development really?
I don't think you are stupid so I'll take you for trolling on this one instead and let you be.
Dabom, read his post again. It's actually pretty dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
He or she says they know Kyle's position. He or she says Kyle is dumb bc he can't shoot. Great, we all agree. You didn't have to pull out the "I watch the games" just to say Kyle can't shoot threes in the year 2016. The poster you jizzed at is pretty poor. Learn to read and judge content over confidence.
My take on the Kyle situation has nothing to do with position etc.... at all! In my opinion, before we can get to any of that type of stuff he has to show he wants to be a player in this league and not a spectator. His skill set is very unique and can be used to exploit a lot of teams..... he has to show some assertiveness though.
First off, maybe you confused me with someone else as I never said Kyle was dumb. Infact, you just said you agreed, then looked to criticize what you agree with. The content is what you agreed with, so that leaves confidence as the other critique. Somehow me referencing his college games is confidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by K...
The game reference to him in college is relevant as it points to what he struggled with then, he still struggles with today, even with the best staff in the NBA. As the original debate revolved around him having had enough time and opportunity to develop, this is clearly relevant.
SAGirl believes anyone pointing out what you said "we all agree with" is just ignorant, stupid, or trolling.
Kyle is a wing and a stretch forward. Who does he sub for? The wings, and diaw. He doesn't play without Duncan or lma or west in the paint for him. Her only defense was that he doesnt play as good as Bonner at the stretch 4.. which I really don't think needs elaborating as to why this is a bad thing.
She even ends her defense saying she agrees that he is limited since he doesn't play his role well as a shooter.
Like you said, learn to judge content. :toast
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Originally Posted by Mnky
At this point I am taking you for a troll and you have attracted some very nice and gentle company.
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Originally Posted by 100%duncan
called it
Kyles taking a long time to develop?? Thank God you werent around for the cojo years.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Pretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
Fussy expectations from some.
the true position of Kyle Anderson is......................
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COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, 15 years from now, Kyle shall be a coach in the NBA. like Carlisle
so relax, the future of NBA coaching is secured
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Kyleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee rules
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fuck golden state
He's a first round pick with multiple position he can play, he's not asked to be a high usage player. So to come in and have no real role other than don't screw up, yes he's taking a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
If you had made this post without "cut the cord" you'd be fine. I assume you want him cut. The issue is that you seem to be faulting him for the game he doesn't have (spot up shooter) rather than the game he has (very poor man Diaw type) . There's no need for him to show leadership on the bench or starting units bc we have leadership.finding a player at fault for lack of opportunity is dumb. The spurs have released handfuls of players who have gone on to be good players. This suggests they have a long term plan for Kyle and that young players don't develop well without clear roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
You said he always makes the same move. You said said move was low iq basketball. Ergo you called Kyle dumb. You also imply failure to learn under chip is a fault. Both arguments are dumb. You have no idea what his coaching training had been. You just assume he can learn to shoot when guys like mills and green have regressed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
His inability to find his place in the offence is caused by his lack of clear role and his subordinate role to other players.
FACT when Kyle is the leader of the offense his teams all ways win. College, summer league,d league.
Again, you're making a conclusion about his inability to develop based on opinions represented as facts. The world's best coaches don't tell us what they are teaching him. Looks like it's been mainly defense. His college game is useful to show what his game could be, but no one thinks college Kyle is an NBA starter. When you judge his growth over the years, considering both the lack of playing time and the inconsistent roles, it's hard to fault him for being unable to guard Durant our replace Manu. But yet you do. Not every player is Kawhi. Most aren't. Kyle's not a guy you can replace with a d league talent. But he's also not ready to be an NBA Swiss army knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
The main difference between you and me is your opinion about it. I'm fine with Kyle struggling this year. He's not a major rotation piece. You seem mad about it. That's what's dumb.
^ I'm one of the few Kyle supporters. You're victim to your own criticism of filling in opinion as reality. He's a 22 yr old kid. When I said cut the cord, I meant stop babying him and saying he's still somehow undernourished. If he was a kid in a third world country, the development with him would have that dude bloated. Maybe that's one of the reasons he struggles, he's trying to do too much at one time. Either way, at 22, he has plenty of time to grow. That doesn't mean I'm going to make excuses for his bad play. His low IQ moves are not good for him, because he is dependent on his IQ since he lacks other skills. His great length allows him to get his shot off whenever he wants, which should be the biggest area of growth. He has been inconsistent there, and when he does shoot the three like he's supposed to, he usually has a respectable rate. Deferring from the gameplan is not good for him as he is one of the guys that needs it for how to prosper. Just because it's obvious the steps he takes backwards, doesn't mean I'm mad. It's a basketball forum meant for criticism and analysis. Maybe the neighborhood trolls got you in your feelings. Me saying the dude has the same flaws from 3 years ago, isn't putting him on kawhi level expectations. It's putting him on NBA level expectations.
When Kawhi doesn't show up offensively in big games, I point it out. When LMA goes soft or does a tiago shot, I blast that dude. It's not like I'm being partial.
I avoided your other response for a reason. You literally created an argument out of thin air and acted like it was the original argument. This, obviously being because you had no argument to begin with. Not once did I say he was strictly a stretch 4, which by the way is what you always try to convince people he is akin to diaw when people criticize his wing play.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I said he's a wing and a stretch big. I also never said anything about not liking him. Your entire post was fabricated.
You should look up the word troll.
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Originally Posted by 100%duncan