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"Your brand of racism is way worse than ours."
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I don't believe you. How many minorities are well spoken? Do you think a white speaking like a hillbilly will be hired over a well spoken black with all other factors equal? Perception is everything and it goes beyond race and color. Most who are being passed up for jobs are due to other factors beyond race. the problem is, most these are cultural, and largely follow race. However... It is not because of race!
with IDENTICAL resumes, people with minority sounding names were called back for interviews at a significantly lower rate. that is before they ever spoke. again, the resumes were printed identically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
your belief or lack of belief here is inconsequential. does it matter if i dont believe that 1+1 is 2 ?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ely-get-respo/
So now you don't want to listen to studies. Make up your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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Do you think a white speaking like a hillbilly will be hired over a well spoken black with all other factors equal?
LOL, in Texas and other parts of the south? Um, yeah.
Do explain.Quote:
Perception is everything and it goes beyond race and color. Most who are being passed up for jobs are due to other factors beyond race. the problem is, most these are cultural, and largely follow race. However... It is not because of race!
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
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Though we have interpreted our results in terms of racial differences, we actually manipulate only the
name on the resume. While these names clearly signal race, perhaps they also signal some other personal
characteristics. More specifically, one might be concerned that employers are inferring social background
from the personal name. When employers read a name like “Tyrone” or “Latoya,” they may assume that the
person comes from a disadvantaged background. In the extreme form of this social background interpretation,
employers do not care at all about race but are discriminating only against the social background conveyed
by the names we have chosen.
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
70% of all Americans are racist. I have learned this through my travels around this country. Tbqh
Wildcobra is dead right
Wild Cobra
:lmao very next sentence... gotta stop cherry-picking a couple of sentences out of a document that long, it just looks bad on your behalf
"While plausible, we feel that some of our earlier results are hard to reconcile with this interpretation.For example, in Table 6, we found that while employers value “better” addresses, African Americans arenot helped more than Whites by living in Whiter or more educated neighborhoods."
Hey. Deny it all you want. The study says what I have been about perception and/or culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Any good study has caveats and margin for error. You don't claim that those represent the conclusion of the study.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
the study in the very next sentence says that their earlier results are hard to reconcile with your interpretationQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
They are saying that could be what the study reflected. To say it is perception of race and ignoring it might be perception of culture is your denial. Not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Why if your idea it is "race only" is wrong?
Study: "The results of this study show that the pennies in the fountain are likely from children throwing them in, however, it's possible that some of them may have been accidentally dropped by adults."
Wild Cobra: "See? According to this study, children don't throw pennies in fountains!"
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Grasping at straws now?
i guess he's following your leadQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
No, that's a fictional example to illustrate your confirmation bias. Grasping at straws is what you just did with the study you were so proud to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I do applaud you for actually taking some time to look up anything that might support your theory, though. It's a step in the right direction.
I'm not grasping at straws. Before the study was linked, I already pointed out culture (social background) over race as what I believe most this bias is based on. I quoted that part because it supported my contention.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
What if you put in hillbilly names vs. black names? What would the results be?
The study itself confirms the results may have been based of perceived culture (social background) rather than race. To use your confirmation bias and exclude every possibility but race, is your bias.
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Serious question. If you were a slave, and I were a master...
Would you want to be owned by an abusive master, or a master that believed in rights and treated you well.
Can you say that any of the founding father abused their slaves? What if I bough as many slaves as I could to protect them from others brutality. Does that make me an evil slave owner?
Who's excluding possibilities here besides you? No one's saying every hire is made with racial bias. Just a significant number, and that's what affirmative action combats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You're basically claiming it doesn't happen.
This has nothing to do with slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by resistanze
Goodbye shithead.
you dug through a 40 page study, found one sentence you liked, and are clinging to it... despite the fact that the very next sentence undermines it. that is grasping at strawsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
:lmao I just thought one of your countless fucking retarded takes on racism was appropriate tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I'm claiming there are other factors outside of race. There are still a few real racists out there, but this study doesn't prove diddly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Again, what if the white names were hillbilly names vs. the black names used. Is it your contention the hillbillies would get a greater callback rate still? Still get the 1 in 10 vs. the 1 in 15?
Who decides what a "hillbilly name" is vs. a black name, and which of those represents a poor cultural background? You're basically saying having a black-sounding name puts you in the same potential pool as white trash and you don't think there's anything wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The study specifically used the names Tyrone and LaToya. DO you believe those names represent a poor cultural background, and if so, why?
What say you about minorities like asians where there is reverse discrimination? where the average accepted asian (college) applicant has to score hundreds of points higher on test scores and an asian applicant with the same test scores as a white applicant (much less a black or latino) in essence has no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
By the same means they determined the black and white names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I see you didn't read the study!
It doesn't matter what I believe. This study was done in two cities, outside of my cultural norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
You should read the study. Right now, you look foolish.