Kyle Anderson Full Game Highlight VS Memphis Grizzlies (13Points, 7Assists, 4 Steals)

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Originally Posted by Brazil

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damn... he stole the ball of the hands of broken kobe ! nba is fucked

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq6yAI4nTzo

Following the same path.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

My nigg nono tbh

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I want Kyle to do well, what's better than to have versatility roster wise? I just know the playoffs are largely ruthless and he'll be targeted. Pressure will mount, and Pop is a guy that likes to protect the young guys. It's going to be a big test for him, and we're fortunate to have a 1st round bye so the team can assess if he can help. But he's going to have to be orders of magnitude better than he's been during the regular season. Your baseline consistent play has to be better than what it's been during the regular season. Can only hope he's one of those guys that raises his level on the big stage.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Second year versus years of experience?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kbb4JV1s_c

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Originally Posted by Brazil

I won't go through but some quick points... you are right we have basically the same guy he was in College which is more bad than good for the nba in particular on quickness and shoot release.
I disagree he is a high BBIQ I'd say the opposite actually, he needs a lot of nursing to be a high BBIQ, a high BBIQ don't pass up open shots letting offense getting messy because he can't recognize when to pass or shoot.
I really have nothing against him, he seems to be a good guy trying to find a spot... that's ok, it is just not the super talented high BBIQ dude you try to describe... sorry

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We will agree to disagree. It goes beyond just my opinion. It has been stated by his teammates and coach, which just furthers your biases about him. Like I said if you don't see any how he translated what was his game it's pointless to argue. You are obviously hating and I won't change your biases so we can just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol @ thinking I have a feud with you or something... I mean you started watch bb last year... no offense but we don't fight in the same category tbh... we are absolutely cool

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We obviously disagreed, but it's easier if I admit I am a fan with some subjective bias bc I appreciate his positives more than most. You are biased the other way. It's easier if you admit that bc that means you were being honest. Usually trolls don't admit their bias so although we don't agree I respect your opinion as opposite on the spectrum to my own.

Beyond that it is fun to argue but not take each other too seriously.:tu

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I want Kyle to do well, what's better than to have versatility roster wise? I just know the playoffs are largely ruthless and he'll be targeted. Pressure will mount, and Pop is a guy that likes to protect the young guys. It's going to be a big test for him, and we're fortunate to have a 1st round bye so the team can assess if he can help. But he's going to have to be orders of magnitude better than he's been during the regular season. Your baseline consistent play has to be better than what it's been during the regular season. Can only hope he's one of those guys that raises his level on the big stage.

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As I said I wish him the best.

Now I think Chinook is too much focused on regular seasons achievement, POs are something totally different. A young player like Kyle will potentially be severly exposed against good teams. Look at Dejuan, dude was already a starter in his second year and dude got his minutes cut by half and even by 3 some POs

In his third year, he was 22 like Kyle.

RS: 21 mpg
POs (10 games): 7,6 mpg ! Matt Bonner had 13 mpg

In the middle of the season, Spurs got 29 y/o Boris who ended up eating his minutes. I'm not saying here situations KMart and Kyle are that comparable with DeJuan and Boris but Boris was playing horribly with Charlotte, he was critized and a lot were saying he was done, pretty much like Mart. Big difference with Mart so far is that Boris in his 20 RS games just reborn from his years in Charlotte, his production went up significantly with the Spurs, he was demotivated in Charlotte and Spurs were just a great fit for him... So the third year Blair lost almost all his minutes for vet Boris and was clearly exposed by limitations you can hide in RS (size, no acl, poor defense) but not in POs.

So far Kyle low minutes are "safe" because KMart is playing horribly, this does not mean it cannot change by POs time, it also does not mean Kyle will see much the floor with an healthy Manu and starters getting their minutes increased. On top of that, Kyle limitations (lack of quickness, slow release...) are likely to be exposed like Blair's ones if given a chance imho fwiw

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

We will agree to disagree. It goes beyond just my opinion. It has been stated by his teammates and coach, which just furthers your biases about him. Like I said if you don't see any how he translated what was his game it's pointless to argue. You are obviously hating and I won't change your biases so we can just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

We obviously disagreed, but it's easier if I admit I am a fan with some subjective bias bc I appreciate his positives more than most. You are biased the other way. It's easier if you admit that bc that means you were being honest. Usually trolls don't admit their bias so although we don't agree I respect your opinion as opposite on the spectrum to my own.

Beyond that it is fun to argue but not take each other too seriously.:tu

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:lol why in hell would I hate on a marginal 10 mpg 22 y/o Kyle fucking Anderson ?

The fact you can imagine I have an agenda against a rookie is showing you are a troll or a 19 y/o girl offended because one can critize your secret love... not sure what is worst

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol why in hell would I hate on a marginal 10 mpg 22 y/o Kyle fucking Anderson ?

The fact you can imagine I have an agenda against a rookie is showing you are a troll or a 19 y/o girl offended because one can critize your secret love... not sure what is worst

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I mean that in a context obviously. No need to get sentimental.:lol

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Could try putting West on Barnes & Diaw on Iggy (Pop put LMA on Barnes & Diaw on Rush), if they are getting blown by then I guess Pop couldn't experiment w/ Kyle who will most likely be a liability on offense. (Barnes hasn't been the same since his ankle injury & who knows what shape Iggy will be in when he comes back)

I much rather have Kyle on Livingston & playing in the motion offense rather than when Pop is calling isolation sets trying to expose mismatches.

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This is all an interesting discussion and I think we will see experiments with the roleplayer's roles and GSW. There is no scenario however where I see Dwest guarding Barnes. Although he's the weakest offensive threat, he's still a wing that can easily blow by West, forcing him to guard in the 3 pt line and kill, absolutely murder West in transition. Transition defense and 3 pt line defense are two of West weaknesses. I absolutely do not see Pop putting West in this situation.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

This is all an interesting discussion and I think we will see experiments with the roleplayer's roles and GSW. There is no scenario however where I see Dwest guarding Barnes. Although he's the weakest offensive threat, he's still a wing that can easily blow by West, forcing him to guard in the 3 pt line and kill, absolutely murder West in transition. Transition defense and 3 pt line defense are two of West weaknesses. I absolutely do not see Pop putting West in this situation.

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Duncan and West are likely going to be on the bench a lot against the Dubs. We saw that in the last game and it is likely going to be the norm if GSW plays small. GSW will without a doubt play small and Spurs are going to suffer because we waived that extra body that was big and quick enough to play small.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

There are two main points of discussion in this thread: First, if Pop will shorten the rotation enough to not play a fourth wing. And second, if he doesn't which player will fill that slot.

So the second question becomes the interesting one, as it literally Anderson versus the other options.

I think both points are worth debating. I just don't think people should concatenate them. Pop may shorten his rotation due to not trusting Anderson. But he's not going to throw out a guy who's been awful or who has no upside just to keep Kyle off the floor. Martin's only been to the playoffs twice in his career. His years shouldn't override the fact that he has no chemistry with his teammates. Miller's smart enough to where he has psuedo-chemistry with the team but does he make sense as the fifth option when he's used to being the ball-handler and can't really do much off the ball?

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Ah, there's the thing. I think that there's another option, which is sort of platooning that extra spot. I never said that he will keep Anderson off the floor completely... never even thought that. What I was trying to say is that he won't get enough minutes that you'll look at the playoff box when it's over and say, "Kyle was clearly the 10th guy on the playoff roster." Look back at my original post, and I said that I think he'll have 10 minutes, give or take, in the games he plays in, but won't appear in some games. (Or, maybe 2-3 minutes, though I never said that - I think I may have mentioned spot fill-in.)

That's another thing Pop has done many times in the past - where a guy will get 10 minutes in three games of a series, but wind up with 34 total minutes in the series. Obviously that says he's fishing for an effective rotation, but it also says he isn't committed to a guy as that last rotation spot. I was trying to avoid looking like I was in a semantics duel over "meaningful minutes". But even when we say that Pop uses a "9-man rotation" in a series, the box still shows 11 or 12 guys with some minutes after their names. IF the stats wind up showing that there was a 10th guy who was a clear part of the rotation, I'm sure it will be Kyle.

My point (which I guess I didn't make very well) is that I think there will be 9 obvious go-to guys through the playoffs, and a platoon of guys who share short minutes to round out whatever those 9 guys can't handle, and to get them (the 9) some short breathers. In the playoffs, Pop usually looks for his deep bench to just hold down the fort and not fuck things up for very short stretches. I think Pop will be reluctant to look for more than that out of a guy as green as Kyle. We'll see if that's true or not soon enough.

BTW - you did not use a video of Kyle picking on the corpse of Kobe Bryant as an example, did you? I mean, out of a hundred good things Kyle has done over the season, you didn't use a video of him committing elder abuse as proof of his skills. I'm thinking you accidentally grabbed the wrong link is all. :lol

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Originally Posted by GSH

Ah, there's the thing. I think that there's another option, which is sort of platooning that extra spot. I never said that he will keep Anderson off the floor completely... never even thought that. What I was trying to say is that he won't get enough minutes that you'll look at the playoff box when it's over and say, "Kyle was clearly the 10th guy on the playoff roster." Look back at my original post, and I said that I think he'll have 10 minutes, give or take, in the games he plays in, but won't appear in some games. (Or, maybe 2-3 minutes, though I never said that - I think I may have mentioned spot fill-in.)

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I think he'll play the most minutes out of the 10-15 men, probably by double not counting garbage time. But I can see him being clearly behind West and thus not looking that close to being a rotation player. My assertion was more that I think Pop will try Anderson over everyone else. Kyle will get first crack at it, and if he plays an average game, he won't lose that spot. However...

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That's another thing Pop has done many times in the past - where a guy will get 10 minutes in three games of a series, but wind up with 34 total minutes in the series. Obviously that says he's fishing for an effective rotation, but it also says he isn't committed to a guy as that last rotation spot. I was trying to avoid looking like I was in a semantics duel over "meaningful minutes". But even when we say that Pop uses a "9-man rotation" in a series, the box still shows 11 or 12 guys with some minutes after their names. IF the stats wind up showing that there was a 10th guy who was a clear part of the rotation, I'm sure it will be Kyle.

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I didn't italicize that last sentence. Anyway, I think that's very reasonable. I think especially with Miller, Pop will be inclined to give him minutes depending on the match-up. That's because he has a role he can fulfill that Anderson isn't good enough at yet (being a lead facilitator). If Manu were to have to sit for foul trouble, I could see Miller being the first guy in for him, especially considering that Andre actually looks up for it. I don't see this version of Kevin Martin getting a nod, though. He seems like a regular-season only player until he gets it together.

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My point (which I guess I didn't make very well) is that I think there will be 9 obvious go-to guys through the playoffs, and a platoon of guys who share short minutes to round out whatever those 9 guys can't handle, and to get them (the 9) some short breathers. In the playoffs, Pop usually looks for his deep bench to just hold down the fort and not fuck things up for very short stretches. I think Pop will be reluctant to look for more than that out of a guy as green as Kyle. We'll see if that's true or not soon enough.

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Yep. That's fine. I also think West will play less than people are assuming. Same with Duncan. I can see David being a solid 15mpg guy, but I don't think he's a consistent enough inside scorer to allow the team to stay big. Diaw can't take all the minutes against small-ball. Hopefully West holds up, but if he doesn't, Tim isn't really doing it either.

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BTW - you did not use a video of Kyle picking on the corpse of Kobe Bryant as an example, did you? I mean, out of a hundred good things Kyle has done over the season, you didn't use a video of him committing elder abuse as proof of his skills. I'm thinking you accidentally grabbed the wrong link is all. :lol

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I may have overestimated how obvious my joke was. The post I quoted was from Brazil telling SAG essentially "You're in your second year watching basketball, and I've been watching for years. You're not in the same class as me." So I posted a vid of second-year Anderson owning vet Kobe. Guess it didn't really go over like I had assume it would.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I may have overestimated how obvious my joke was. The post I quoted was from Brazil telling SAG essentially "You're in your second year watching basketball, and I've been watching for years. You're not in the same class as me." So I posted a vid of second-year Anderson owning vet Kobe. Guess it didn't really go over like I had assume it would.

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You actually made me laugh sitting at my computer. I saw that video, and my jaw just dropped, and thought, "WTF is he thinking with that?" Coming from you, I should have known better. I think so much ridiculous shit gets said on this site that I get kind of numb. :toast

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

This is all an interesting discussion and I think we will see experiments with the roleplayer's roles and GSW. There is no scenario however where I see Dwest guarding Barnes. Although he's the weakest offensive threat, he's still a wing that can easily blow by West, forcing him to guard in the 3 pt line and kill, absolutely murder West in transition. Transition defense and 3 pt line defense are two of West weaknesses. I absolutely do not see Pop putting West in this situation.

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If there is any Worriers starter that Kyle should be able to handle then it's Barnes, it's just that he has to be productive on the other end. Barnes might score on West but West can also score on Barnes. If the Spurs can trade baskets while LMA is resting then it's a win.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Second year versus years of experience?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kbb4JV1s_c

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Two of the worst players in the league tbh

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

If there is any Worriers starter that Kyle should be able to handle then it's Barnes, it's just that he has to be productive on the other end. Barnes might score on West but West can also score on Barnes. If the Spurs can trade baskets while LMA is resting then it's a win.

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I am not saying Kyle starts or even plays against the death squad TBH. You do LMA/Diaw, then LMA/Kawhi. Like you I like Kyle on Livingston + from here to there he has to show up.

I only said West is unlikely ever to be placed in that situation to guard Barnes. Depends what GSW is doing in terms of others in the lineup with Barnes but I don't think Pop would ever have Dwest on him. Despite being able to post him up, guard him out in the 3 takes him our of the paint anyways, his role on defense, and we will get killed in transition, a cardinal sin for Pop.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I may have overestimated how obvious my joke was. The post I quoted was from Brazil telling SAG essentially "You're in your second year watching basketball, and I've been watching for years. You're not in the same class as me." So I posted a vid of second-year Anderson owning vet Kobe. Guess it didn't really go over like I had assume it would.

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:lol
Lol I don't get sense of humor as often as I should here. :tu

I didn't get the joke initially either. Brazil and I had kept going at it for so long that at some point I realized we each had our own bias unlikely to change and it was about time to move on b4 it stopped being fun to chat about it so I brushed off the reference. I don't think Brazil got the joke either. :lmao which probably has you laughing at home! :lol Looking back on it, it was actually a sophisticated joke.
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I don't think anyone got the joke

Experience understanding basketball gets better with more experience. I don't think you can get worse.

Athletes get worse with age and injuries. You can't compare both. :lol

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Originally Posted by Blake

I don't think anyone got the joke

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Sure as hell doesn't seem like it. I missed the mark on that one.

I thought it was said they got Andre Miller to matchup with Livingston?

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I only said West is unlikely ever to be placed in that situation to guard Barnes. Depends what GSW is doing in terms of others in the lineup with Barnes but I don't think Pop would ever have Dwest on him. Despite being able to post him up, guard him out in the 3 takes him our of the paint anyways, his role on defense, and we will get killed in transition, a cardinal sin for Pop.

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The benefit to running post-up plays is that it slows down the pace. Pop put LMA on Barnes & for the most part Barnes was settling for jumpers b/c LMA was sagging. (Did the same thing against Gobert)

West can also pound them on the offensive glass if Barnes is going to be boxing him out. (We all saw West still got it against OKC)

Besides, if Barnes is hijacking their offense trying to go at West then it's a win for the Spurs b/c Curry won't be the one taking those shots. The Worriers tried using Barnes as the screen for Curry (to attack LMA) when Kawhi was on Draymond so they might just try to do the same to attack West. In that case, they just have to trap Curry & force Barnes to be a playmaker although LMA just switched & tried to do his best 1-on-1.

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Originally Posted by bklynspursfan

I thought it was said they got Andre Miller to matchup with Livingston?

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Livingston is 6'7" & Millers is 6'1", Livingston will have no issues shooting over Miller. If anything, Miller could be useful against Barbosa who was bullying Patty like Austin Rivers.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

The benefit to running post-up plays is that it slows down the pace. Pop put LMA on Barnes & for the most part Barnes was settling for jumpers b/c LMA was sagging. (Did the same thing against Gobert)

West can also pound them on the offensive glass if Barnes is going to be boxing him out. (We all saw West still got it against OKC)

Besides, if Barnes is hijacking their offense trying to go at West then it's a win for the Spurs b/c Curry won't be the one taking those shots. The Worriers tried using Barnes as the screen for Curry (to attack LMA) when Kawhi was on Draymond so they might just try to do the same to attack West. In that case, they just have to trap Curry & force Barnes to be a playmaker although LMA just switched & tried to do his best 1-on-1.

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I don't think they will go to him, so much as just push the pace to get open from Dwest, who is slow getting back in transition. From there say Kawhi, Danny, or Manu, someone else picks up Barnes, that leaves a mismatch on a more dangerous perimeter target being guarded than D west. I don't think we will see Pop put D west on guys he cannot guard in transition or at the 3. But heck, I will not Nostradamus this one bc Pop will want to try to play his bigs however he can.