Kyle Anderson Full Game Highlight VS Memphis Grizzlies (13Points, 7Assists, 4 Steals)

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Originally Posted by Brazil

Your homerism towards slow motion Kyle never cease to amaze me

Martin played 10 games, he had terrible last 3 games still a bit soon to call him a bust... talking about drawing conclusions on small sample... smh

Kyle played 100 games, 70 this year and his metrics are quite terrible tbh... better than Martin during his 10 games with the Spurs... big deal. If Spurs have to rely on KA significant minutes during POs we are pretty much fucked

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I am pointing up facts. Martin hasn't played well and he wasn't playing well in the Twolves either. Kyle is 22 yrs old. The games he played lAst season, not only was he a rookie, but they included a lot of garbage time minutes next to guys who are out of the league, you could say worse players than him. He wasn't integrated into the rotation in term of Pop playing him to his strengths or anything like that.

Since end of January, he's played a lot of minutes against starters. Has started every game Kawhi has sat, has played for Tim. Martin's stats are probably worse if he had to start the games Kyle did. He's being hidden against the bench's outscoring threats etc. Kyle is learning how to play in the league this season and he has not been a net negative player, Martin has.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I am pointing up facts. Martin hasn't played well and he wasn't playing well in the Twolves either. Kyle is 22 yrs old. The games he played lAst season, not only was he a rookie, but they included a lot of garbage time minutes next to guys who are out of the league, you could say worse players than him. He wasn't integrated into the rotation in term of Pop playing him to his strengths or anything like that. He's played a lot of minutes against starters. Has started every game Kawhi has sat, has played for Tim. Martin's stats are probably worse if he had to start the games Kyle did. He's been hidden a against the beach's outscoring threats etc. He has not been a net negative player, Martin has.

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Kyle Fathead Anderson has a NEGATIVE RPM you stupid bitch. He ain't doing shit either. :lmao

Criticize martin for bad metrics but not for Fathead. :lmao

I'm guessing SAGirl is a troll. I'm convinced. No basketball knowledge what so ever. :lol

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You can be fine with it all you want, but the Spurs haven't played Diaw at the three outside of extreme garbage time in years. That's especially true against the teams the Spurs are scheduled to play in the post-season. None of them have threes Boris can guard, and having him post up as a three isn't great for the offense, especially given his current shooting inconsistency.

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Just how many minutes do you think kyle will get in round 2? Take a guess.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Just how many minutes do you think kyle will get in round 2? Take a guess.

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Depends on who the Spurs opponent is. Probably fewer than 10 if it's OKC. Possibly near 20 if it's Portland.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Depends on who the Spurs opponent is. Probably fewer than 10 if it's OKC. Possibly near 20 if it's Portland.

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Why 20 vs Portland?

And if he's needed so badly to back up the 3, why only 10 vs OKC

Bottom line.

(1) Aggressively take and make those open 3 pointers.
(2) Aggressively use his length to take those wide open layups.

.... next season....

(3) hit the weight room and get stronger.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Why 20 vs Portland?

And if he's needed so badly to back up the 3, why only 10 vs OKC

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Pop only shortens his rotation if he has to. Against Portland, he shouldn't have to. And the Blazers also play small quite a bit with Aminu, who isn't good enough offensively to warrant overplaying Kawhi. Against OKC, Leonard for sure and probably Green are going to mostly match minutes with Durant and Westbrook. If Kawhi is averaging 40mpg, there simply won't be a ton of minutes behind him.

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Originally Posted by Blake

So just how many minutes do you propose kyle get against OKC?

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I already answered that for you a few rows back. You not being satisfied with the answer will make us go in circles. I think he backs up Kawhi. Kawhi and Durant going at it for maybe 40 minutes means there will be a very short supply of SF minutes remaining and that is perfectly fine.

Everything else is pure speculation as it depends who else OKC is throwing out there, foul trouble situations, who's playing poorly or well, etc. Ex. are they going small with Durant? Who are OKC other perimeter players in that case? Are they guards you want Miller to handle, maybe even try Simmons or Martin there see if they give you anything, or are they wings with more size and better rebounding? Who has been playing well?) In general too much speculation depending on what the other team is doing, what matchups they are putting out there, foul trouble situations etc.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Pop only shortens his rotation if he has to. Against Portland, he shouldn't have to. And the Blazers also play small quite a bit with Aminu, who isn't good enough offensively to warrant overplaying Kawhi. Against OKC, Leonard for sure and probably Green are going to mostly match minutes with Durant and Westbrook. If Kawhi is averaging 40mpg, there simply won't be a ton of minutes behind him.

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Kawhi didn't even hit the 40 minute mark against the Clippers last year. Who subbed in for him?

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Originally Posted by Blake

Kawhi didn't even hit the 40 minute mark against the Clippers last year. Who subbed in for him?

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The Clippers didn't have a star SF for him to guard. And I think it was Beli who subbed in.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I already answered that for you a few rows back. You not being satisfied with the answer will make us go in circles.

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You answered that you didn't want to answer. I get it, you're more worried about being proven wrong later than just having a fun discussion about Kyle's playoff value.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The Clippers didn't have a star SF for him to guard. And I think it was Beli who subbed in.

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So you're expecting Kyle to guard a star SF? I'm not following

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Originally Posted by Blake

So you're expecting Kyle to guard a star SF? I'm not following

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You don't seem to be listening but rather trying to pull a Chump. Kawhi is more likely to play big minutes against a team like OKC than a team like Portland. That makes up most of the minutes gap in my projections. Using the series against LAC last year as a counter is problematic for multiple reasons. The one I listed was that Kawhi didn't have a SF he had to guard.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Those three games comprise about 50 percent of his total Spurs minutes. I also think it's too soon to call him a bust, but yeah, he's not getting minutes over Anderson based on his play so far. People need to admit that instead of pretending that the Spurs have a legit option worth keeping Anderson from at least getting a chance to play himself out of the playoff rotation.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

still a bit soon to call him a bust... talking about drawing conclusions on small sample... smh

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Did you miss the part where I agreed with that? The point isn't that he's proven to be awful. It's that he hasn't proven to be good. No reason at all to assume he's getting the nod over Anderson.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

too bad jimmer never knew the feeling :lmao

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immer was traded on draft night, jackass.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't see a better option on the roster. As of right now, if the Spurs have any minutes left after Kawhi, Green and Manu, they should go to Anderson unless the other team is playing two PGs.

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This is your statement that I'm reading just fine.

You want to talk Pop's past history on playoff rotations, but there's little to no history of Pop trusting a young end of the bench player in the playoffs for anything more than emergency or garbage minutes.

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Originally Posted by Blake

This is your statement that I'm reading just fine.

You want to talk Pop's past history on playoff rotations, but there's little to no history of Pop trusting a young end of the bench player in the playoffs for anything more than emergency or garbage minutes.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I am pointing up facts. Martin hasn't played well and he wasn't playing well in the Twolves either. Kyle is 22 yrs old. The games he played lAst season, not only was he a rookie, but they included a lot of garbage time minutes next to guys who are out of the league, you could say worse players than him. He wasn't integrated into the rotation in term of Pop playing him to his strengths or anything like that.

Since end of January, he's played a lot of minutes against starters. Has started every game Kawhi has sat, has played for Tim. Martin's stats are probably worse if he had to start the games Kyle did. He's being hidden against the bench's outscoring threats etc. Kyle is learning how to play in the league this season and he has not been a net negative player, Martin has.

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:lol facts

Spurs are not using martin like Twolves, saying his suckage playing for Spurs is consistent with his time with Twolves is at best dishonest. Martin played 147 mn with Spurs, so from those 147 mn you conclude dude is a bust... fortunately ST is being much more patient with your boy Kyle who played 1,400 mn... thing is during this 1,400 mn he did not show anything much different than his college years... talking about consistency.

Despite working with chip his 3 pts is worst than college years, his assists per 36 are worst, his FG% is worst... he is as slow as anticipated, hesitant as fuck on offense passing up open shoots on the regular, getting abused on defense due to his lack of lateral quickness. I wish him to be successful and I wish eating a crow but you are making a lot of excuses for him tbh

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol facts

Spurs are not using martin like Twolves, saying his suckage playing for Spurs is consistent with his time with Twolves is at best dishonest. Martin played 147 mn with Spurs, so from those 147 mn you conclude dude is a bust... fortunately ST is being much more patient with your boy Kyle who played 1,400 mn... thing is during this 1,400 mn he did not show anything much different than his college years... talking about consistency.

Despite working with chip his 3 pts is worst than college years, his assists per 36 are worst, his FG% is worst... he is as slow as anticipated, hesitant as fuck on offense passing up open shoots on the regular, getting abused on defense due to his lack of lateral quickness. I wish him to be successful and I wish eating a crow but you are making a lot of excuses for him tbh

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Don't feed the troll brah. Too easy to pick them apart tbh... :lol

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Originally Posted by Blake

This is your statement that I'm reading just fine.

You want to talk Pop's past history on playoff rotations, but there's little to no history of Pop trusting a young end of the bench player in the playoffs for anything more than emergency or garbage minutes.

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You aren't actually reading it fine if you are wondering why Kyle's minutes would fluctuate between a series with Portland and a series with OKC. I do think it's odd that you're calling Anderson an end-of-bench player, though, considering he has a solid rotation spot. Someone like Boban or Miller is an end-of-bench player. Anderson plays every game and gets significantly more minutes than the others if key guys are out. You're acting like he's at the same place as Simmons, and that's just not the case.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't see a better option on the roster. As of right now, if the Spurs have any minutes left after Kawhi, Green and Manu, they should go to Anderson unless the other team is playing two PGs. And if the other team goes small, Anderson is the best to take the minutes behind Diaw. I know folks like Brazil want to keep pumping Martin up for shiggles, but he really hasn't been good enough to leap over Anderson for time. I actually like Andre Miller quite a bit, but he's not as versatile.

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It really doesn't have to be like that. You can play a 3 guard lineup regardless of what the other team does. The question is if it's Martin or Miller depending if you can hide a player or not (ie: against OKC's bench, it should be easier to hide Martin, against the Clippers bench, it might make more sense to play Miller as PG, Patty as SG and Manu at SF). And it's not like those guys can't fuck up either, but experience does matter, and Pop does put a premium on that, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Blake

This is your statement that I'm reading just fine.

You want to talk Pop's past history on playoff rotations, but there's little to no history of Pop trusting a young end of the bench player in the playoffs for anything more than emergency or garbage minutes.

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Yeah, even much more seasoned guys like Oberto and Thiago had to warm up the bench in the playoffs... Blair had the same treatment IIRC...